Most Dominant Wrestler - Through 1/8

[RoarLions1]

Non-D1 Opponents Removed, here's the latest standings, for all wrestlers above 4.0;

Wt Name Score
149 Retherford 5.73
157 Nolf 5.55
184 Nickal 5.50
285 Snyder 5.50 (only 4 bouts)
184 Dean 5.29
125 Gilman 4.91
125 Rodriguez, Josh 4.89
174 Jordan 4.75 (only 4 bouts)
165 Martinez 4.54
149 Jordan 4.38
285 Medberry 4.31
174 Valencia 4.26
174 Epperly 4.25
285 Nevills 4.22
165 Massa 4.20
197 Cox 4.15
184 Dudley 4.06
149 Sorensen 4.00

 

[CowboyUp61]

Since I was bored, and playing with wrestling stuff is better than working, I took the rankings of all of the D1 opponents of the top 4 from wrestlestats, added them, and divided by the number of matches. Just took the top 5, then kicked out Snyder because only 4 matches is too small of a sample size.

Retherford 11-0 average opponent rank 92.72
Nolf 11-0 average opponent rank 87.18
Nickal 10-0 average opponent rank 67
Dean 14-0 average opponent rank 55.79

I know, you can only wrestle who is on the mat, but the data seems to prove (at least for this small sample size) that the lower ranked schedule you face, the higher your domination rate.

I will revisit this as the season wears on.

 

[RoarLions1]

Since I was bored, and playing with wrestling stuff is better than working, I took the rankings of all of the D1 opponents of the top 4 from wrestlestats, added them, and divided by the number of matches. Just took the top 5, then kicked out Snyder because only 4 matches is too small of a sample size.

Retherford 11-0 average opponent rank 92.72
Nolf 11-0 average opponent rank 87.18
Nickal 10-0 average opponent rank 67
Dean 14-0 average opponent rank 55.79

I know, you can only wrestle who is on the mat, but the data seems to prove (at least for this small sample size) that the lower ranked schedule you face, the higher your domination rate.

I will revisit this as the season wears on.

I get what you're trying to do...and have a suggestion for you. Could do it myself, but you may already have the raw data, and could do it fatser. Instead of using the "average of ALL opponents", use the average of each wrestlers "top-5 highest ranked opponents". Better reflection of each wrestler's performance against the best they face, and removes all the low-ranked guys from tournaments, etc.

 

[CowboyUp61]

I get what you're trying to do...and have a suggestion for you. Could do it myself, but you may already have the raw data, and could do it fatser. Instead of using the "average of ALL opponents", use the average of each wrestlers "top-5 highest ranked opponents". Better reflection of each wrestler's performance against the best they face, and removes all the low-ranked guys from tournaments, etc.

top 5 ranked opponents only.

Retherford 12, 38, 55, 61, 85 Average 50
Nolf 8, 10, 15, 21, 33 Average 17.4
Nickal 4, 17, 33, 34, 36 Average 24.8
Dean 5,5,6,12,15 Average 8.6

removing second match against Boyd makes Dean 5,6,12,15,19 average 11.4.

Still looks right. Nolf and Nickal in this comparison would jump above Retherford, But Nolf's average opponent ranking is double Deans, while Nickal is almost triple. Zain isn't even in the ballpark. So if I had to vote right now, I would vote Dean. But lets see if that holds up through the year.

A comparison just for fun-Heil would be 3,9,10,15,19 for average of 11.2. But he is nowhere in the picture for bonus.

 

[CowboyUp61]

I get what you're trying to do...and have a suggestion for you. Could do it myself, but you may already have the raw data, and could do it fatser. Instead of using the "average of ALL opponents", use the average of each wrestlers "top-5 highest ranked opponents". Better reflection of each wrestler's performance against the best they face, and removes all the low-ranked guys from tournaments, etc.

and the reason I am fatser is because I sit all lunch hour and read wrestling boards, look up the kids future opponents, instead of exercising

 

[diggerpup]

This weekend will take us to mid-January and Bo Jordan has 4 matches so far ?

Too much time working on dead lifts ?

 

[RoarLions1]

This weekend will take us to mid-January and Bo Jordan has 4 matches so far ?

Too much time working on dead lifts ?

Parenting is time-consuming.

 

[CowboyUp61]

So is wrestling fandom, Roar! Got to thinking-who has had the toughest top end schedule. Looked up Wiegel-2,2,7,9,9. 5.8 average rank. Can you think of anyone else?

 

[RoarLions1]

So is wrestling fandom, Roar! Got to thinking-who has had the toughest top end schedule. Looked up Wiegel-2,2,7,9,9. 5.8 average rank. Can you think of anyone else?

Not right now, but as the season progresses, take a look at Suriano (he gets #1, 5, 6, & 12, just from the Big Ten). Others could be Clark, Tomasello, & Montoya at 133, with all the high end guys at that weight class. The Big Ten also has the top-4 guys at 165, so the Martinez', I. Jordan's, and Joseph's of the world could have low numbers. 285 has 5 top-10 B1G guys, so if they wrestle each other, that's another weight class with possible low numbers.

Sorry I focused on Big Ten, but that's what I had in front of me...and I prefer InterMat over WrestleStat (apologies to andegre...I love his work).

 

[Dogwelder]

Okay, Retherford is the most dominant wrestler. But who is most the most dominate wrestler?

 

[Tom McAndrew]

top 5 ranked opponents only.

Retherford 12, 38, 55, 61, 85 Average 50
Nolf 8, 10, 15, 21, 33 Average 17.4
Nickal 4, 17, 33, 34, 36 Average 24.8
Dean 5,5,6,12,15 Average 8.6

You did what requested, but you also used WrestleStat's rankings. I think they are, in general, very accurate near the top, and less so outside of the top 10-20. In addition, they do tend to get more accurate with more data, but that's dependent upon a number of variables outside of their control (injuries, weather problems for flights, schedule quirks, etc.). They'll be far more accurate by the end of January, after a number of B1G duals take place, than they are at this point. If you're looking for rankings past 20, which you need to do for the analysis you provided, you're kind of limited to Dual Impact Index and WrestleStat, now that GAH has taken a hiatus from doing the WrestlingReport rankings. No perfect solution ... that's why in the thread on Number Ones Not Losing I limited my analysis to top 10, and also used Flo's rankings.

 

[CowboyUp61]

You did what requested, but you also used WrestleStat's rankings. I think they are, in general, very accurate near the top, and less so outside of the top 10-20. In addition, they do tend to get more accurate with more data, but that's dependent upon a number of variables outside of their control (injuries, weather problems for flights, schedule quirks, etc.). They'll be far more accurate by the end of January, after a number of B1G duals take place, than they are at this point. If you're looking for rankings past 20, which you need to do for the analysis you provided, you're kind of limited to Dual Impact Index and WrestleStat, now that GAH has taken a hiatus from doing the WrestlingReport rankings. No perfect solution ... that's why in the thread on Number !s Not Losing I limited my analysis to top 10, and also used Flo's rankings.

Tom, while I find stuff like this fun and somewhat informative I also think this is one of those things that in a month will be much tighter like you state. I may look at other services and redo the spreadsheet, just to see if there are significant differences, especially in that top tier of matches.

I like what wrestlestats does with the match listings, which makes that type of quick lunchtime project easier to do. I have to use it to get the list of matches (I don't know anywhere else to get that info), and rather than cross-referencing I just use their rankings. Saves time so I have enough to get on Track and try to predict what my 2 boys will run into in their next competitions.

 

[Tom McAndrew]

I have to use it to get the list of matches (I don't know anywhere else to get that info)

Yes, it has become the easiest way to look up match history. D1CW use to be really good for that, but they dropped that feature. NWCA also has that info, but I find it to be much more cumbersome than WrestleStat.

 

[NoVa Lion]

You did what requested, but you also used WrestleStat's rankings. I think they are, in general, very accurate near the top, and less so outside of the top 10-20. In addition, they do tend to get more accurate with more data, but that's dependent upon a number of variables outside of their control (injuries, weather problems for flights, schedule quirks, etc.). They'll be far more accurate by the end of January, after a number of B1G duals take place, than they are at this point. If you're looking for rankings past 20, which you need to do for the analysis you provided, you're kind of limited to Dual Impact Index and WrestleStat, now that GAH has taken a hiatus from doing the WrestlingReport rankings. No perfect solution ... that's why in the thread on Number Ones Not Losing I limited my analysis to top 10, and also used Flo's rankings.

First coaches ranking comes out next week I think and that goes out to 33.

 

[RoarLions1]

First coaches ranking comes out next week I think and that goes out to 33.

It does go to 33. PSU's contribution to the CR is that Cael (or his designate) will provide a full ranking of 141.

 

[CowboyUp61]

Not right now, but as the season progresses, take a look at Suriano (he gets #1, 5, 6, & 12, just from the Big Ten). Others could be Clark, Tomasello, & Montoya at 133, with all the high end guys at that weight class. The Big Ten also has the top-4 guys at 165, so the Martinez', I. Jordan's, and Joseph's of the world could have low numbers. 285 has 5 top-10 B1G guys, so if they wrestle each other, that's another weight class with possible low numbers.

Sorry I focused on Big Ten, but that's what I had in front of me...and I prefer InterMat over WrestleStat (apologies to andegre...I love his work).

Went back through the same process, and added Suriano and Weigel just for kicks.

top 5 ranked opponents only. Using Wrestlestat and rankings as of this morning.

Retherford 2,12,14,35,54 Average 23.4
Nolf 3,7,13,14,20 Average 11.4
Nickal 4,7,12,17,34 Average 14.8
Dean 5,6,6,12,16 Average 9
Heil 3,9,10,14,19 Average 11
Weigel 2,2,7,9,9 5.8
Suriano 1,5,7,10,30 Average 10.6

Hopefully RPI will take care of this, and I will modify my sheet to include team points. Still won't mean anything, but kinda fun for me.

 

[LemonPie]

Point differential/7 minutes adjusted against ranked wrestlers

Nolf- 14.752
Dean- 12.740
Snyder- 12.000 (1 match)
Nickal- 11.053
Zain- 9.919
Gilman- 5.000

Zain is hurt by sample size (only 3 wrestlers) and obviously the Sorensen match.

 

[CowboyUp61]

Point differential/7 minutes adjusted against ranked wrestlers

Nolf- 14.752
Dean- 12.740
Snyder- 12.000 (1 match)
Nickal- 11.053
Zain- 9.919
Gilman- 5.000

Zain is hurt by sample size (only 3 wrestlers) and obviously the Sorensen match.

Lemon, where/how for your calculations? Using only top 33 per NCAA?

 

[LemonPie]

Lemon, where/how for your calculations? Using only top 33 per NCAA?

Using Flo rankings- Top 33 i'd have to re-do them.

PD/7 minutes= [(Points For adjusted/# of match seconds)*420] - [(Points against adjusted/#match seconds)*420]

So in the case of a fall, record the points at time of fall (add back points) along with number of seconds in match

Dean vs. Gamble- 15-4 at 276 seconds
Dean vs. Ellingwood- 8-1 at 175 seconds
Dean vs. Zavatsky 19-4 at 300 seconds
Dean vs. Gravina 16-3 at 420 seconds
Dean vs. Boyd 7-2 at 420 seconds
Dean vs. Geer 16-6 at 420 seconds

# match seconds = 2,011
PF (adjusted) = 81
PA (adjusted) = 20

PF/7 minutes = (81/2,011)*420= 16.917
PA/7 minutes = (20/2,011)*420= 4.177
PD/7 minutes = 12.740

Nolf vs. Berger 15-7 at 420 seconds
Nolf vs. Kemerer 9-4 at 420 seconds
Nolf vs. Parsons 10-4 at 139 seconds
Nolf vs. Short 18-4 at 224 seconds
Nolf vs. Van Brill 22-4 at 249 seconds

#match seconds = 1452
PF (adjusted) = 74
PA (adjusted) = 23

PF/7 minutes = (74/1,452)*420 = 21.405
PA/7 minutes = (23/1452)*420 = 6.653
PD/7 minutes = 14.752

 

[CowboyUp61]

thats cool

 

[jtothemfp]

Okay, Retherford is the most dominant wrestler. But who is most the most dominate wrestler?