Most pins

[Callthestall]

I stumbled on this last night.
What college wrestler had the most pins in a his career? Answer will be posted at bottom of this message.
In a follow up to the above question, Which PSU wrestler do you think will have the most pins in this years tournament?

Answer is backwards so you don't see it to easy...
SLLIM ENEG 109 pins

 

[PSUisawesome]

Zain

 

[BOSCO2]

I stumbled on this last night.
What college wrestler I had the most pins in a his career? Answer will be posted at bottom of this message.
In a follow up to the above question, Which PSU wrestler do you think will have the most pins in this years tournament?

Answer is backwards so you don't see it to easy...
SLLIM ENEG 109 pins

Be with you in a minute, as soon as I find a mirror.

 

[PSUisawesome]

I saw Gene Mills wrestle when he was at Syracuse. Feet to back pin in 20 seconds.

 

[matter7172]

When I wrestled for the West Side YMCA in NYC, one of my law school colleagues who wrestled with us had been a teammate with Gene Mills. I also saw Gene wrestle in the 1981 Nationals at Jadwin Gym at Princeton. Great wrestler.

 

[21Guns]

Schalles has to be in the conversation.

 

[Real-Lion]

I stumbled on this last night.
What college wrestler I had the most pins in a his career? Answer will be posted at bottom of this message.
In a follow up to the above question, Which PSU wrestler do you think will have the most pins in this years tournament?

Answer is backwards so you don't see it to easy...
SLLIM ENEG 109 pins

Jason N.

 

[matter7172]

Schalles has to be in the conversation.

106 for Wade. I have to guess #2 all-time. This doesn't show up easily on a google search.

 

[Callthestall]

Did Schalles wrestle when he only got 3 years of eligibility?

 

[androcles]

...Wade had 106 falls in his collegiate career..

 

[21Guns]

Gene Mills upsets Joe Gonzalez in the 1979 finals

 

[21Guns]

Schalles. The Greatest.

Wade Schalles
Clarion University

Wade Schalles became just the fifth recipient of the PSAC Award of Merit when he was presented with the award on February 19, 2012. In doing so, he became the second former Clarion wrestler to garner the PSAC's highest honor, joining former Olympic standout Kurt Angle.

Schalles, a native of Hollidaysburg, Pa., wrestled at Clarion from 1971-74 and holds the all-time NCAA record for most pins with 106. He is the only wrestler in NCAA history with at least 100 career pins and he compiled an overall career record of 153-5-1 - a .965 winning percentage.

 

[21Guns]

...Now, that article may or may not be entirely accurate. I loved both Wade and Gene.

But My heroes were Wade Schalles and the Gentle giant Chris Taylor.

 

[Callthestall]

Tried to find Mills bio to post and discovered on another web site that listed Mills career pins of 107. Last night I saw 109. Maybe all-star wins were counted on one site.

 

[PSU_Pride_93]

One thing about Blaze -- other than the Nolf ankle band routine:

He goes for the cradle on every snap/go-behind. Doesn't always get it, but he's looking for it every time. He's gonna get a lot of pins in college with that as a re-attack given how good his stance/baseline defense is.

Your statement on Blaze getting a lot of pins has me wondering.

In general, due to the amount of matches most wrestlers wrestle now, do we ever foresee Nolf’s career pin record getting broken?

 

[eddy line]

Your statement on Blaze getting a lot of pins has me wondering.

In general, due to the amount of matches most wrestlers wrestle now, do we ever foresee Nolf’s career pin record getting broken?

Highly doubtful. Excluding his redshirt year, Nolf wrestled 30 matches a year. IIRC, he finished his collegiate career with 60 pins out of 120 bouts. Today, wrestlers seem to average about 25 matches a year, so a wrestler would have to be a four-year starter and pin over 60% of his opponents to surpass Nolf's record.

BTW, Nickal had 59 pins, and Taylor and Retherford each had 53. Those numbers seem out of reach, too. For context, Kerk and Carter are tied at 18 pins, the most on the current roster.

 

[a_mshaffer]

Highly doubtful. Excluding his redshirt year, Nolf wrestled 30 matches a year. IIRC, he finished his collegiate career with 60 pins out of 120 bouts. Today, wrestlers seem to average about 25 matches a year, so a wrestler would have to be a four-year starter and pin over 60% of his opponents to surpass Nolf's record.

BTW, Nickal had 59 pins, and Taylor and Retherford each had 53. Those numbers seem out of reach, too. For context, Kerk and Carter are tied at 18 pins, the most on the current roster.

and yet the young new prodigy from Johnstown just recently chose a different idol to follow...
This is another reason I have a hard time not having Jason at the top of PSUs all timer's.

 

[voltz99]

Your statement on Blaze getting a lot of pins has me wondering.

In general, due to the amount of matches most wrestlers wrestle now, do we ever foresee Nolf’s career pin record getting broken?

Considering the pin record is RECENT then there is no reason it cant be broken. We are not talking about a record from 1920.

1-4 are all recent.

 

[El-Jefe]

Your statement on Blaze getting a lot of pins has me wondering.

In general, due to the amount of matches most wrestlers wrestle now, do we ever foresee Nolf’s career pin record getting broken?

Only a unicorn.

If you took Zain's pin rate in his last 3 years (50 pins / 93 matches = 53.8%), applied it to last year's highest match count (27) and carried it to 4 years --> (27 x 4 x 0.538) = 58 pins.

We may not see another pinner as prolific as Zain's last 3 years, and even that's not enough with today's match counts.

 

[eddy line]

Considering the pin record is RECENT then there is no reason it cant be broken. We are not talking about a record from 1920.

1-4 are all recent.

The record can be broken. Unlikely it will - few wrestlers today will get enough bouts, and no one in PSU's history has come close to Nolf's and Nickal's pin rate:

Nolf: 60 pins/120 bouts/50% pin rate
Nickal: 59/123/48%
Taylor: 53/137/39%
Retherford: 53/129/41%
Josh Moore: 53/184/29%

Also, it seems there are more TFs today and fewer pins in large part because of the three-point TD (see Mesenbrink).

 

[matter7172]

Also, it seems there are more TFs today and fewer pins in large part because of the three-point TD (see Mesenbrink).

That Mesenbrink character really grinds my gears. Every match he leaves a team point on the mat. 🤣

 

[El-Jefe]

Considering the pin record is RECENT then there is no reason it cant be broken. We are not talking about a record from 1920.

1-4 are all recent.

10-12 fewer matches per year is a pretty good reason.

 

[voltz99]

The record can be broken. Unlikely it will - few wrestlers today will get enough bouts, and no one in PSU's history has come close to Nolf's and Nickal's pin rate:

Nolf: 60 pins/120 bouts/50% pin rate
Nickal: 59/123/48%
Taylor: 53/137/39%
Retherford: 53/129/41%
Josh Moore: 53/184/29%

Also, it seems there are more TFs today and fewer pins in large part because of the three-point TD (see Mesenbrink).

No one has come close??? In the last 10 years the record has been tied/broken 4 times.

So no one has come close in the last 6 years.

 

[eddy line]

No one has come close??? In the last 10 years the record has been tied/broken 4 times.

So no one has come close in the last 6 years.

No one today is wrestling 120 bouts, let alone Taylor's 137 or Moore's 184. No one in PSU's history has sniffed Nolf's and Nickal's career pin rate. (Back in the 1930s, Ross Shaffer had a pin rate of 61.3% but only had 31 total bouts.) To break Nolf's PSU record, a wrestler would have to do both.

 

[PSUbluTX]

The record can be broken. Unlikely it will - few wrestlers today will get enough bouts, and no one in PSU's history has come close to Nolf's and Nickal's pin rate:

Nolf: 60 pins/120 bouts/50% pin rate
Nickal: 59/123/48%
Taylor: 53/137/39%
Retherford: 53/129/41%
Josh Moore: 53/184/29%

Also, it seems there are more TFs today and fewer pins in large part because of the three-point TD (see Mesenbrink).

Nolf clearly owes his crown to Todrank.

Speaking of which, it appears that legend is now doing MMA.

Kyle Todrank ("Cutthroat") | MMA Fighter Page | Tapology

"Cutthroat" Kyle Todrank (3-1-0) is a Pro MMA Fighter out of Texas and the #304th ranked Pro Mens Featherweight in North America. View complete Tapology profile, bio, rankings, photos, news and record.

www.tapology.com

 

[Callthestall]

When I posted this thread I had read an article about Gene Mills had the all time record of 109 pins. I questioned Google tonight and a AI prompt said Wade Schalles has the record at 106 pins.
Not sure what has changed.??

 

[PSUbluTX]

When I posted this thread I had read an article about Gene Mills had the all time record of 109 pins. I questioned Google tonight and a AI prompt said Wade Schalles has the record at 106 pins.
Not sure what has changed.??

I don't know the answer but ...

32 times artificial intelligence got it catastrophically wrong

From chatbots giving truly terrible medical advice to facial recognition software incorrectly flagging members of congress as criminals, here are some of the most catastrophic mistakes artificial intelligence has ever made.

www.livescience.com

 

[STAND with PRIDE]

In HS I was PINNED 107 times, does THAT count?

 

[tullfan68]

106 for Wade. I have to guess #2 all-time. This doesn't show up easily on a google search.

and Wade got screwed out of a full season!

 

[creamery freak]

I don't know the answer but ...

32 times artificial intelligence got it catastrophically wrong

From chatbots giving truly terrible medical advice to facial recognition software incorrectly flagging members of congress as criminals, here are some of the most catastrophic mistakes artificial intelligence has ever made.

www.livescience.com

Liked the part where it said, ' AI incorrectly flagging members of congress as criminals'.

Now there's an outlier if there ever was one.