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Most underrated PSU players

And how about Mike Hartenstein? But how many times is MH mentioned as one of the best at PSU.....
*spelling correction: "Hartenstine" ... Even his fellow teammates were intimidated by Hartenstine... both on and off the field. One late night I was admiring a Norton Comando parked out front of the Cattle Car, all of a sudden a huge shadow blocked out the street light and I turned to see Mike leering at me. Immediately I plead innocence of not touching the bike, and to my surprise, he didn't kill me - probably because his cute little girlfriend was with him.

Living in West Halls, Mike parked his bike in the lot behind my frat but was not a member, nor really even a friend of anyone in the house. He just parked it there... At one of the house meetings that Fall, the subject of Mike parking his bike in our lot became a hot topic as most agreed that we shouldn't bear the liability risk should something happen to the bike. So it was voted that someone should ask Mike to park his bike elsewhere and we looked upon one of the football-playing members of the frat to present Mike with the "cease & desist" order. Needless to say, the Norton remained parked in our lot for the rest of the year as NOBODY had the guts to confront Mike about the parking situation. He was a very scary person.

So I agree... It is somewhat bewildering that Mike doesn't receive the fan respect he used to gain in person, back in the day! Out of sight out of mind, I suppose.
 
I’ll throw out a few as a 35 year old

So I’ll miss the older dudes

DeShan Hamilton
Tim Manoa
Mike Hull
Richie Anderson
Duffy Cobbs
Nehmer (sp) Wartman
Gary Brown
Trevor Williams
ZACK Mills
Troy Apke
Jordan Norwood

Hmmm I would not put Hamilton, Cobbs, or Mills on that list.
 
*spelling correction: "Hartenstine" ... Even his fellow teammates were intimidated by Hartenstine... both on and off the field. One late night I was admiring a Norton Comando parked out front of the Cattle Car, all of a sudden a huge shadow blocked out the street light and I turned to see Mike leering at me. Immediately I plead innocence of not touching the bike, and to my surprise, he didn't kill me - probably because his cute little girlfriend was with him.

Living in West Halls, Mike parked his bike in the lot behind my frat but was not a member, nor really even a friend of anyone in the house. He just parked it there... At one of the house meetings that Fall, the subject of Mike parking his bike in our lot became a hot topic as most agreed that we shouldn't bear the liability risk should something happen to the bike. So it was voted that someone should ask Mike to park his bike elsewhere and we looked upon one of the football-playing members of the frat to present Mike with the "cease & desist" order. Needless to say, the Norton remained parked in our lot for the rest of the year as NOBODY had the guts to confront Mike about the parking situation. He was a very scary person.

So I agree... It is somewhat bewildering that Mike doesn't receive the fan respect he used to gain in person, back in the day! Out of sight out of mind, I suppose.
There’s a story about him destroying a guy’s VW with forearm shots.
 
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Good list but I wouldn’t have Mills Hamilton or Wartman on an underrated list.
BwI consistently overrated Mills
Hamilton got lots of press.
And to be blunt, Wartman didn’t do much

Disagree on Mills. Mills was probably the only saving grace to a putrid Offensively challenged PSU team during the dark years. (except for LJ in '02).
He rarely had any decent Wr's.
He was a very good QB until his shoulder and arm were mangled in the Wiscy game. IMHO he was never the same.
 
Disagree on Mills. Mills was probably the only saving grace to a putrid Offensively challenged PSU team during the dark years. (except for LJ in '02).
He rarely had any decent Wr's.
He was a very good QB until his shoulder and arm were mangled in the Wiscy game. IMHO he was never the same.

He had Bryant Johnson too IIRC.
 
Could you elaborate please because I was here and going to the games then and don't recall that at all. There was one person, more than anyone, responsible for the Dark Years and it wasn't a player.
The guy is probably insinuating some off the field stuff, but is too big a pussy to actually state any specifics.
 
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Anyone remember this?

Dave Costlow
Bryant Johnson
Bryan Scott
Yaacov Yisreal
Gino Capone
Horace Dodd
Damone Jones
Deryck Toles
Ricky Upton
Keith Jenkins
 
He had Bryant Johnson too IIRC.

Yea but if you remember Johnson was pretty much a non-factor until his Jr. and Sr. year.
Kind of the reverse Tony Johnson who wasn't very good his sr. year.
I did a quick google and wow his WR's were even worse than I thought.
Steve Delich
Eddie Drummond (who was so bad they moved him to RB)
Bryant Johnson (very good JR & Sr year)
Tony Johnson (not so good Sr. year)
Rod Perry (who everyone was excited about but didn't do much)
Ticus Pettigrew
Gerald Smith (who I think might have been one of the players that we mentioned a few topics ago that fasted during Ramadan.
Terrance Phillips
Ryan Scott
Scott Shirley
Vic Surma (oh boy)
Ernie Terrell
Gio Vendemia
Jim Kanuch (was he related to Tom Bradley? maybe nephew?)
and finally Michael Robinson shows up (Thank God)

He did have 2 decent TE's though.
Issak Smolko
John Bronson
 
The guy is probably insinuating some off the field stuff, but is too big a pussy to actually state any specifics.

IDK, at that time the PSU cops had hardons for all football players. If you remember they were arresting or citing them for taking bikes out of garbage cans or stepping out of their apartment with a beer (the horror).
So if McCoo had done anything that was even a minor infraction I'm sure we would have heard about. I heard nothing.
But yes I agree. Either put up or shut up.
My guess is Eric stole his date.
 
Anyone remember this?

Dave Costlow
Bryant Johnson
Bryan Scott
Yaacov Yisreal
Gino Capone
Horace Dodd
Damone Jones
Deryck Toles
Ricky Upton
Keith Jenkins

Yep remember almost all of them.
Horace Dodd transferred to BC and then became a Rapper. Not sure what he's doing now.
Gino Capone was a fav. whipping boy.
Deryck Toles could have been very good but didn't he have some sort of odd disease?
 
Yep remember almost all of them.
Horace Dodd transferred to BC and then became a Rapper. Not sure what he's doing now.
Gino Capone was a fav. whipping boy.
Deryck Toles could have been very good but didn't he have some sort of odd disease?

Better yet, that was our ENTIRE. 1999. RECRUITING. CLASS.
 
*spelling correction: "Hartenstine" ... Even his fellow teammates were intimidated by Hartenstine... both on and off the field. One late night I was admiring a Norton Comando parked out front of the Cattle Car, all of a sudden a huge shadow blocked out the street light and I turned to see Mike leering at me. Immediately I plead innocence of not touching the bike, and to my surprise, he didn't kill me - probably because his cute little girlfriend was with him.

Living in West Halls, Mike parked his bike in the lot behind my frat but was not a member, nor really even a friend of anyone in the house. He just parked it there... At one of the house meetings that Fall, the subject of Mike parking his bike in our lot became a hot topic as most agreed that we shouldn't bear the liability risk should something happen to the bike. So it was voted that someone should ask Mike to park his bike elsewhere and we looked upon one of the football-playing members of the frat to present Mike with the "cease & desist" order. Needless to say, the Norton remained parked in our lot for the rest of the year as NOBODY had the guts to confront Mike about the parking situation. He was a very scary person.

So I agree... It is somewhat bewildering that Mike doesn't receive the fan respect he used to gain in person, back in the day! Out of sight out of mind, I suppose.
I saw Mike at the District XI track meet while in HS, he won the Shot put, Discus, and came in third, wait for it, in the High Jump!! I think he jumped like 6'3 and as a 230# HS I thought that was pretty good.

Perge
 
Derek Bochna

IIRC, in 1990 when PSU played at #1 ND (and upset them) there was a crucial 3rd down play where ND sent an RB (Bettis perhaps, although he was a true frosh at the time) around the end and true frosh Bochna was all alone to defend and got the job done (not by making the tackle but by holding the ball carrier there until other defenders got there to knock him over). Nice job for a frosh, especially considering if it was Bettis then Bochna was giving up 70 pounds or so. Anyone else remember that play? I've tried to find video of it but can't.
 
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I’ll throw out a few as a 35 year old

So I’ll miss the older dudes

DeShan Hamilton
Tim Manoa
Mike Hull
Richie Anderson
Duffy Cobbs
Nehmer (sp) Wartman
Gary Brown
Trevor Williams
ZACK Mills
Troy Apke
Jordan Norwood
The most underrated Penn Stater of all time is Franco Harris. He was mostly utilized as a blocker for Lydell Mitchell. However, the Steelers did not underrate him as they selected him 13th overall in the 1972. The rest is history.
 
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