My cure for one and done

[Marylovesthelions]

All players who enroll as freshmen and do not graduate or transfer to another NCAA school, count against the graduation rate and therefore, schools lose scholarships if they over use this. KY is a semi-pro team, glad to see them lose. You either graduate or you don't. Dropping out or turning pro, it is all the same.
This post was edited on 4/7 11:56 AM by Marylovesthelions

 

[jjsocrates]

Originally posted by Marylovesthelions:

All players who enroll as freshmen and do not graduate or transfer to another NCAA school, count against the graduation rate and therefore, schools lose scholarships if they over use this. KY is a semi-pro team, glad to see them lose. You either graduate or you don't. Dropping out or turning pro, it is all the same.

Pretty sure that they DO count against the graduate rate.

BUT...

Does the NCAA actually care about the graduation rates? Has the NCAA made ANY attempt to limit scholarships based on a school's graduation rate? Do they care? They already admitted (in a recent legal case) that they don't.

 

[PSU Lion 2000]

Should just work with the NBA to do the same as MLB


Either go pro after high school or go to college for at least 3 years.

 

[Op2]

Once you bring a guy in, unless he transfers or can't play due to an injury his scholarship should count for four years. So if a guy leaves after one year then fine, you just can't use that scholarship for the next three years.

I like that idea, but the flip side of that is that the school would commit four years of free schooling to a guy up front when the current reality is that scholarships are renewable (or not) each year. I suspect coaches would scream bloody murder if bringing in a guy meant you had to commit to him for four years.

 

[Art]

They do not count

against the graduation rate. But you are correct that the NCAA does not care about graduation rates. Thee are no penalties tied to graduation rates.

 

[cjrugger]

Do you consider Duke a semi-pro team?

Because theyre going to have more 1 and done's than Kentucky

 

[Art]

Except that with baseball

it's an MLB rule. The NCAA doesn't control it, just as it doesn't control the basketball rule.

 

[Art]

Easier fix.

Congress amends provisions of the antitrust acts to eliminate provisions in CBAs that restrict entry to pro sports leagues based on age, etc.

 

[PSU_Nut]

Originally posted by Op2:
Once you bring a guy in, unless he transfers or can't play due to an injury his scholarship should count for four years. So if a guy leaves after one year then fine, you just can't use that scholarship for the next three years.

I like that idea, but the flip side of that is that the school would commit four years of free schooling to a guy up front when the current reality is that scholarships are renewable (or not) each year. I suspect coaches would scream bloody murder if bringing in a guy meant you had to commit to him for four years.

I agree...abolish scholarship limits and just go with new scholarships. They already have 4 year scholarships so it not an issue. In basketball you get 3 a year. If they all stay 5 years you have 15 scholarship players. If they are all one and done you have 3 scholarship players. Same with football. Let them give 25 a year.

 

[john4psu]

You mean actually make the coach consider recruiting kids who might think about staying in school?????

 

[Lanz]

Agreed.

Except there is zero motivation for congress to do so.

 

[Art]

Never happen. No basketball coach,

even those who would like to see players stick around for 3-5 year, would support it, making it a non-starter.

 

[sluggo72]

they would if they got paid 100% on graduation rates and not win/loss


records!! But I am dreaming!

 

[EPC FAN]

How does one actually KNOW which kids will be one and done and which

will stay? The coach would have to be a seer.

 

[KD666]

Why is one-and-done a problem? nfm

nfm

 

[Art]

More like tripping.*

1/9

 

[Samurailion]

Kentucky entire roster changes every year

Because of the nba. There coach recruits them as nba players he is a Nba pimp. I'm certain that even the one and dones that leave duke have to enroll in courses other than basketball 101 and basket weaving.

 

[Atpete07]

It's a dumb rule to begin with, it's there so pro teams have an additional year to evaluate kids against better competition, Jalil Okafor would have been a top 5 pick in last years draft had he been eligible. I can't stand Calipari and we all know he is a cheat, but he's playing within the rules and unfortunately until the NBA changes its policy, the NCAA has no right to require a person to fulfill their 4 year obligation to a university when the opportunity for gainful employment presents itself during their time in school, so if you're going to blame anyone, blame the NBA

 

[troopersteve]

Re: Should just work with the NBA to do the same as MLB

If the NBA doesn't want kids directly out of high school, how about allowing them to sign with a D-League team for one year?

 

[Obliviax]

ha. That's what I was trying to say a couple of weeks ago!*

 

[Atpete07]

Re: Should just work with the NBA to do the same as MLB

Originally posted by troopersteve:
If the NBA doesn't want kids directly out of high school, how about allowing them to sign with a D-League team for one year?

because d league is still not the level of big time college basketball and big time moments. Jalil essentially punched his ticket last night as the #1 pick with his huge inside game late, he would never get that opportunity in the D-League. There ARE some guys (Brandon Jennings is the highest profile to date) who will go to europe and play proffessionally for a year then enter the draft but for the most part, until the NBA changes its policy, ur always gonna have guys like Calipari who sell NBA factories and appeal to all the one and done kids

 

[cjrugger]

Duke will have more 1 and done's this year than kentucky

But if you're 'certain' that the Duke guys are taking real classes I guess we'll go with that

 

[cjrugger]

Because old people want to pretend like they're watching 'student athletes'

psu

 

[dfm135psu]

If an individual is good enough at their chosen profession that an organization would pay them millions of dollars to do it, why should that individual be required to obtain a degree? If a freshman astrophysics student was convinced to leave school for a high paying job at NASA everyone would think it was amazing. If a freshman music major was plucked away by the New York Philharmonic they'd think the same thing.

If it doesn't work out in the NBA or wherever, an individual always has the option of returning to school if it's something they are serious about.

 

[wentzel25]

Re: Kentucky entire roster changes every year

Originally posted by Samurailion:
Because of the nba. There coach recruits them as nba players he is a Nba pimp. I'm certain that even the one and dones that leave duke have to enroll in courses other than basketball 101 and basket weaving.

You mean the Kentucky team that started 2 juniors, 2 sophomores and a freshman? (before Poythress got hurt), or the one that started 1 junior, 2 sophomores and 2 freshmen after his injury? Lol, "entire roster changes every year." You've clearly listened to the hype and not actually looked into anything on your own.
If you took the same approach to Penn State, you'd be telling us how Joe Paterno and everyone in the athletics department covered up for their best friend and active defensive coordinator Jerry Sandusky.

The 2014-15 UK roster featured 12 returning players and 4 freshmen.
This post was edited on 4/7 2:59 PM by wentzel25

 

[bdgan]

I think a scholarship should be binding to both parties

Kids commit for at least 3 years. Leaving early means they must repay their scholarship.

Schools also commit for at least 3 years. Can't cut a kid loose because he fails to make an impact on the field.

 

[Op2]

I get your point but there is one difference.

Astrophysics and music are part of a university's academic cirriculum. OTOH athletics (supposedly) is just an extracirricular activity. An argument could be made that someone that wants to play basketball shouldn't be admitted to a school unless they're as good a student as the rest and even then he ought to have to pay his own way. Granted, reality is so different than that that it sounds ridiculous but ideally that is what a student-athlete would be.

 

[KD666]

Do you feel that way about your job? nfm

nfm

 

[Ten Thousan Marbles]

That is a fine example of a non sequitur. Well done. *


f

 

[RestonChester]

Better cure is to just eliminate it all together so they can go to the NBA

If a kid is good enough, they should turn pro as soon as they can.

The one and done rule is idiotic. Players should turn pro as soon as they are ready.

As for graduation rate, if a kid turns pro and gets a pay check, then the kid should count as having graduated regardless of whether they received an academic diploma.



This post was edited on 4/7 3:35 PM by RestonChester

 

[70Sixers]

Re: Do you consider Duke a semi-pro team?

Originally posted by cjrugger:
Do you consider Duke a semi-pro team Because theyre going to have more 1 and done's than Kentucky

Coach K has really thrown a monkey wrench into the Kentucky/Calipari bashing thing. Coach K is flat out stating that he has adapted. He may not like it but he's playing the hand he's dealt and doing a darn fine job of it.

Most fans are going to love K and hate Cal no matter what. This morning an article went up on FoxSports.com titled "If one-and-done, Duke's star freshmen did it right way". If a writer hated Duke/Coach K this article could've been written in a completely different tone.

The bottom line is how can you pass on talents like Kyrie Irving, Austin Rivers, Jabari Parker, Tyus Jones, Winslow, Okafor just because they might only stay for a year?

 

[Art]

Not sure paying a school

what might amount to a couple of hundred grand would deter a kid from signing an NBA contract worth millions.

Additionally, your suggestion could have some unintended consequences. First, it could influence HSers with potential NBA talent to gravitate to less expensive schools. Second, in order to be legally enforceable, the kids would have to sign a document that would look suspiciously like a contract. Could very well drive a stake through any defense the NCAA has against paying players.

 

[psu1969a]

Yes, NCAA does care. Banned Connecticut from tournament year before last.

 

[psu1969a]

Op2, good idea!

 

[sluggo72]

remember the 1 and done rule is a NBA rule not an NCAA rule, the NBA

didnt want to pay or baby sit some kids, so they made this rule, the NCAA had nothing to do with it or its repeal,

 

[cjrugger]

Agree 100%. The difference in the narratives the past week is startiling

If Kentucky had won last night we would be overwhelmed with stories about how Calipari is killing college basketball with one and done kids who don't go to class. Since Duke won everyone ignores that they have 3 one and done frosh who carried the team and the story is 'Isnt Coach K such a great recruiter'

 

[PSU20]

Re: Agree 100%. The difference in the narratives the past week is startiling


Are the 3 freshman leaving Duke for the NBA this year, if so which ones?

 

[cjrugger]

Expected to be Okafor, Winslow and Jones

psu

 

[PSU20]

Re: Expected to be Okafor, Winslow and Jones

Ouch!

 

[70Sixers]

Re: Agree 100%. The difference in the narratives the past week is startiling

Currently:

DraftExpress has Okafor #2, Winslow # 5, Tyus Jones #21.

NBADraft.NET has Okafor 2, Winslow 5, Jones 20


Chad Ford's ESPN Mock has them about the same.

I've always found NBADRAFT.NET to be pretty accurate. What jumps out to me on their draft is they have Sam Dekker as a top 10. I don't think I've ever seen a climb like this. He was mid 2nd round during the regular season; he shot 34% from three and 70% from the FT line. After the Big Ten Tournament he was a 1st rounder. Then with his tournament play including the UK game he's now top 10. I wonder how far he'll fall after the re-evaluate from last night?