My life has drastically, drastically changed... my family's life has drastically changed. For what?

[ChiTownLion]

To Whom It May Concern:

I have not been advised by my counsel on this e-mail, and I apologize if it comes off in the wrong way. My life has drastically, drastically changed...my family's life has drastically changed. National media, and public opinion has totally, in every single way, ruined me. For what?

They have said "he is worse than Sandusky." I will forward just a small fraction of the e-mails and articles that have been written to and about me. People say I will eventually get charged...with what I have no idea?

I want to make sure you have the facts again in case I have not been clear.

I walked out of that locker room with both people looking at me dead in my eye...the act was interrupted and stopped. Not physically or forcefully...the possible outcomes on that could have been severely negative to the child...in any number of ways.

I have also said clearly...that I cannot say 1000% percent sure that it was sodomy...I did not see insertion...it was a sexual act and or way over the line in my opinion whatever it was.

I am nervous...worried etc as you can imagine about everything.

People are being truly devastated and it just is not right.

I would like to know a couple things:

What are my options as far as a statement from me goes...will I be in any legal trouble...any trouble with the law?

I feel my words were slightly twisted and not totally portrayed correctly in the presentment...I may be wrong, but is there any way that Tim [Fleming] and or I can get a copy of actual GJ testimony.

Again...I am sorry if this comes out wrong...but I need to get it off my chest. Thank You for understanding...I will send just a fraction of some of the things getting to me.

PS...I have also attached the press conference from Monday...No where is there strong support for me...I am sorry...but there just isn't...my brain and guts are telling me to be skeptical of everything now.

Mike McQueary
Wide Receiver Coach
Recruiting Coordinator

From: Mike McQueary
To: jeshbach@attorneygeneral.gov
CC: asassano@attorneygeneral.gov
Sent: 11/20/2011 3:10:05 PM
Subject:

With everyone writing about the 5-year anniversary of Mark Emmert and the NCAA dropping Thor's hammer on our entire Penn State University community, this email is crying for context, clarification and answers.

What's your favorite line from Mike's email to the OAG??

 

[NittPicker]

I don't buy the looked "dead in the eyes" claim given the extremely short period of time he says he saw the reflection. But at least he slammed his locker door. That's the universal signal for, "I know you're in there and I'm going to tell my daddy."

 

[lionlurker]

Don't worry, bud. You're rich now, and your family says you did the right thing. What more is there in life?

 

[Mixolydian]

.it was a sexual act and or way over the line in my opinion whatever it was.

That line is a beauty in so many ways I really don't know where to start. Just let it speak for itself I guess. And you can't discount the "my words were slightly twisted and not totally portrayed correctly in the presentment" gem. This email singlehandedly portrays how weak and dumb Mike is...a perfect "witness" for the corrupt OAG.

Sandusky did what Sandusky did, but as far as Penn State's involvement in this fiasco nobody f'd the University more than Mike "drop ur mouth on it" McQueary.

 

[wbcincy]

Forcefully stopping it and intervening could've been negative for the child? If you truly think he was being molested or raped, that sentence defies all logic.

Next time a rape victim is telling me her story, I'll be sure to say "thank God nobody stepped in to stop it or this could've been really bad for you." I'll keep you guys posted on when I'm released from the hospital afterwards.

 

[MtNittany]

* MM tiptoes around addressing his misrepresentation instead of screaming "That's not what I effin' said!"

* JE laughs at him

Gee, one would think that the OAG had something on MM. Naahh...

 

[PearlSUJam]

Not from this email but related. How about when he was on the stand for Spanier's trial and he said they told him they were about to leak the story. You can't make this sh#t up.

 

[nits74]

Not from this email but related. How about when he was on the stand for Spanier's trial and he said they told him they were about to leak the story. You can't make this sh#t up.

And no ramifications. Unreal.

 

[MtNittany]

And no ramifications. Unreal.

Bitch lost her election. So there's that.

 

[Mack_Daddy]

To Whom It May Concern:

I have not been advised by my counsel on this e-mail, and I apologize if it comes off in the wrong way. My life has drastically, drastically changed...my family's life has drastically changed. National media, and public opinion has totally, in every single way, ruined me. For what?

They have said "he is worse than Sandusky." I will forward just a small fraction of the e-mails and articles that have been written to and about me. People say I will eventually get charged...with what I have no idea?

I want to make sure you have the facts again in case I have not been clear.

I walked out of that locker room with both people looking at me dead in my eye...the act was interrupted and stopped. Not physically or forcefully...the possible outcomes on that could have been severely negative to the child...in any number of ways.

I have also said clearly...that I cannot say 1000% percent sure that it was sodomy...I did not see insertion...it was a sexual act and or way over the line in my opinion whatever it was.

I am nervous...worried etc as you can imagine about everything.

People are being truly devastated and it just is not right.

I would like to know a couple things:

What are my options as far as a statement from me goes...will I be in any legal trouble...any trouble with the law?

I feel my words were slightly twisted and not totally portrayed correctly in the presentment...I may be wrong, but is there any way that Tim [Fleming] and or I can get a copy of actual GJ testimony.

Again...I am sorry if this comes out wrong...but I need to get it off my chest. Thank You for understanding...I will send just a fraction of some of the things getting to me.

PS...I have also attached the press conference from Monday...No where is there strong support for me...I am sorry...but there just isn't...my brain and guts are telling me to be skeptical of everything now.

Mike McQueary
Wide Receiver Coach
Recruiting Coordinator

From: Mike McQueary
To: jeshbach@attorneygeneral.gov
CC: asassano@attorneygeneral.gov
Sent: 11/20/2011 3:10:05 PM
Subject:

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With everyone writing about the 5-year anniversary of Mark Emmert and the NCAA dropping Thor's hammer on our entire Penn State University community, this email is crying for context, clarification and answers.

What's your favorite line from Mike's email to the OAG??

"it was a sexual act and or way over the line in my opinion whatever it was."

So, 10 years later he can recall it WAS a sexual act. Yet, he says "and/or" WAY over the line.

"And/Or"?!?! If it "was" a sexual act (any sexual act), isn't that alone WAY over the line?

He puts his dad and Dranov in more danger with this Email. If MM can recall 10 years later it "was" a sexual act in a written Email solely to clarify the GJP, then, Daddy-O and Dranov are lying sack of sh1ts.

 

[BobPSU92]

mike mcqueary let himself and everyone else down. He'll piss away his money and will do nothing useful. He did it to himself.

 

[marshall23]

The story Dad and Dr. Dranov got the night of the incident, according to their testimony, is radically different than what MM testified to. Strange?

 

[lionlurker]

Hard to see that he has made any real positive contribution to the world, in my view.

 

[MtNittany]

The story Dad and Dr. Dranov got the night of the incident, according to their testimony, is radically different than what MM testified to. Strange?

Blackmail is funny like that...

 

[Obliviax]

MM was told what to say in 2011 and beyond. he had no idea of the damage it would do. It wasn't substantially different than what he said in 2001, but the razor's edge difference is what put JS behind bars and what sunk PSU, C, S, S and JVP.

MM needs to come clean on this...I won't respect him until he does. I am sure he fears for his life, but the truth is the truth and he'll never be comfortable with it until he comes clean.

 

[wensilver]

 

[Mack_Daddy]

To Whom It May Concern:

I have not been advised by my counsel on this e-mail, and I apologize if it comes off in the wrong way. My life has drastically, drastically changed...my family's life has drastically changed. National media, and public opinion has totally, in every single way, ruined me. For what?

They have said "he is worse than Sandusky." I will forward just a small fraction of the e-mails and articles that have been written to and about me. People say I will eventually get charged...with what I have no idea?

I want to make sure you have the facts again in case I have not been clear.

I walked out of that locker room with both people looking at me dead in my eye...the act was interrupted and stopped. Not physically or forcefully...the possible outcomes on that could have been severely negative to the child...in any number of ways.

I have also said clearly...that I cannot say 1000% percent sure that it was sodomy...I did not see insertion...it was a sexual act and or way over the line in my opinion whatever it was.

I am nervous...worried etc as you can imagine about everything.

People are being truly devastated and it just is not right.

I would like to know a couple things:

What are my options as far as a statement from me goes...will I be in any legal trouble...any trouble with the law?

I feel my words were slightly twisted and not totally portrayed correctly in the presentment...I may be wrong, but is there any way that Tim [Fleming] and or I can get a copy of actual GJ testimony.

Again...I am sorry if this comes out wrong...but I need to get it off my chest. Thank You for understanding...I will send just a fraction of some of the things getting to me.

PS...I have also attached the press conference from Monday...No where is there strong support for me...I am sorry...but there just isn't...my brain and guts are telling me to be skeptical of everything now.

Mike McQueary
Wide Receiver Coach
Recruiting Coordinator

From: Mike McQueary
To: jeshbach@attorneygeneral.gov
CC: asassano@attorneygeneral.gov
Sent: 11/20/2011 3:10:05 PM
Subject:

View embedded media

With everyone writing about the 5-year anniversary of Mark Emmert and the NCAA dropping Thor's hammer on our entire Penn State University community, this email is crying for context, clarification and answers.

What's your favorite line from Mike's email to the OAG??

Interesting to note, in the Email he never mentions those "slapping sounds" that Daddy-O and Dr Dranov said he kept bringing up when they spoke that Friday evening.

 

[LaJolla Lion]

MM was told what to say in 2011 and beyond. he had no idea of the damage it would do. It wasn't substantially different than what he said in 2001, but the razor's edge difference is what put JS behind bars and what sunk PSU, C, S, S and JVP.

MM needs to come clean on this...I won't respect him until he does. I am sure he fears for his life, but the truth is the truth and he'll never be comfortable with it until he comes clean.

Why was he saying it in the playbook chats in 2001 then? Can you explain that? Was that made up too? Was he fearing for his life then?

 

[marshall23]

Interesting to note, in the Email he never mentions those "slapping sounds" that Daddy-O and Dr Dranov said he kept bringing up when they spoke that Friday evening.

Nor is there any mention of the "boy" standing on a stool as characterized by prosecutors. There is no view of the shower area from the lockers or the mirror over the sinks.

 

[marshall23]

Why was he saying it in the playbook chats in 2001 then? Can you explain that? Was that made up too? Was he fearing for his life then?

Why don't you tell us what he said?

 

[lionville]

Why was he saying it in the playbook chats in 2001 then? Can you explain that? Was that made up too? Was he fearing for his life then?

So MM was saying he saw JS molest a kid in a chat where you were present and you sat on that information? YOU ARE a pedo enabler.

 

[lionlurker]

It doesn't matter. Nothing matters. It's too late for that.

It's just a shame that in some families, the definition of right and wrong is very very fluid, and apparently very expedient.

 

[Mack_Daddy]

So MM was saying he saw JS molest a kid in a chat where you were present and you sat on that information? YOU ARE a pedo enabler.

Did he say he "saw" JS molesting a kid or did he say he "thinks" JS was molesting a kid?

 

[LaJolla Lion]

Why don't you tell us what he said?

I suggest you ask FOS members. I notice you like the pedo enabler comment too. Stay classy cult!!! Get MM, it will make it all better!!!! Out, enjoy your witch hunt.

 

[marshall23]

I suggest you ask FOS members. I notice you like the pedo enabler comment too. Stay classy cult!!!

Did MM say he saw Sandusky molesting a child? Why do I doubt that? I'll bet his comments were sketchy and cryptic....but you are willing to volunteer he was "saying it" in 2001. If that is true, and you read it, what would that say about you?

 

[lionville]

That's a question for LaNotta Lion since he was in the chat with MM in 2001.

 

[Mixolydian]

That's a question for LaNotta Lion since he was in the chat with MM in 2001.

"LaNotta Lion". Beautiful!

 

[LaJolla Lion]

Ok pnny. How's Arizona? Classy, classy classy!!!

 

[OaktonDave]

Forcefully stopping it and intervening could've been neGators for the child? If you truly think he was being molested or raped, that sentence defies all logic.

Next time a rape victim is telling me her story, I'll be sure to say "thank God nobody stepped in to stop it or this could've been really bad for you." I'll keep you guys posted on when I'm released from the hospital afterwards.

MM claims that he knowingly left a child in the custody of a person he saw sexually assault the child, and he thinks he's being victimized. I've scrapped better things off my shoes than him.

 

[marshall23]

It does seem a more logical explanation that Mike didn't really SEE anything. The layout of the locker room screams this. He was startled and suspicious about what he may have happened upon. His inability to actually describe anything about JS and the boy, led Dad and Dr. to advise a report to JVP rather than a wasted report to LE or CYS. MM continued to have suspicions about JS for years until investigators confronted those fears with allegations of their own. What investigators did or didn't threaten or "suggest" at that point is unknown.

 

[Mack_Daddy]

MM claims that he knowingly left a child in the custody of a person he saw sexually assault the child, and he thinks he's being victimized. I've scrapped better things off my shoes than him.

 

[ChiTownLion]

I suggest you ask FOS members. I notice you like the pedo enabler comment too. Stay classy cult!!! Get MM, it will make it all better!!!! Out, enjoy your witch hunt.

On the contrary. This is not an indictment on Mike. It's an indictment on Frank Fina and his PornDogs at the PA OAG. Mike is screaming for a lifeline in this email and they told him to STFU. The OAG legitimately put Mike's life at risk to promote a dirty little lie in the Grand Jury Presentment. So much for human decency. #ConvictionsAtAnyCost

 

[marshall23]

On the contrary. This is not an indictment on Mike. It's an indictment on Frank Fina and his PornDogs at the PA OAG. Mike is screaming for a lifeline in this email and they told him to STFU. The OAG legitimately put Mike's life at risk to promote a dirty little lie in the Grand Jury Presentment. So much for human decency. #ConvictionsAtAnyCost

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In reality Eshbach's response to MM was that THE TRUTH WILL HURT OUR CASE. So glad she got her ass handed to her in her quest for another public office.

 

[lionlurker]

Does not matter. She is a nobody, but the bad guys still won.

 

[91Joe95]

If he left, how does he know Sandusky didn't start back up?

Fyi, I was in a lot of the fos chats back during that time, and I don't ever recall lajolla's info, nor even the topic. It was my understanding that he didn't mention anything in chat until several years later.

 

[SmithtonLion]

Sigh. Stupidity abounds.

McQueary isn't very articulate, and not very smart. That much is obvious. So, if you ask him about details that night, he'll have different recollections. Sometimes he'll say he's sure he saw abuse, other times, not sure. Saw a sex act, but didn't see actual penetration (could you ever really see penetration even if it was happening), etc, and so on.

But that happens all the time. You can describe a person's reaction to a given statement as "pissed off", and yes, you're right. But try to describe why you know that person is pissed off when someone asks you "What did he say?", and you answer....nothing, but he looked "pissed off".

The truth is, we pick up subtle hints that allow us to determine "danger" or "safe" or "she likes me" or "she doesn't like me" or "I think I'm about to get fired"....these are all instincts honed into our species over millennia. We can't describe them, but we know them.

What is the alternate theory here? That he saw absolutely nothing and is making it all up? That there's any good reason whatsoever for a grown man to be alone with a 12 year old boy, naked, in a shower? Seriously.

 

[wbcincy]

I suggest you ask FOS members. I notice you like the pedo enabler comment too. Stay classy cult!!! Get MM, it will make it all better!!!! Out, enjoy your witch hunt.

Certainly blaming MM for not doing more doesn't make anything else better. However, when every single decision that every person involved made (MM's father, Dr. Dranov, Paterno, Schultz, Curley, Spanier) only makes sense if MM changed his story about what he told them versus what he later told police and testified to, then I have no problem at all drawing the logical conclusion about what happened and blaming MM for that.

He blatantly changed his story about what he told everyone. And that difference destroyed the lives and reputation of many honorable men. That is disgusting, and MM will never get a pass from me for it.

 

[RussianEagle]

I don't buy the looked "dead in the eyes" claim given the extremely short period of time he says he saw the reflection. But at least he slammed his locker door. That's the universal signal for, "I know you're in there and I'm going to tell my daddy."

Especially considering Sandusky didn't even know McQueary was the witness until after he was arrested. Now you may say Sandusky is lying his ass off, but in this case what incentive does he have to lie?

 

[Rip_E_2_Joe_PA]

Forcefully stopping it and intervening could've been negative for the child? If you truly think he was being molested or raped, that sentence defies all logic.

Next time a rape victim is telling me her story, I'll be sure to say "thank God nobody stepped in to stop it or this could've been really bad for you." I'll keep you guys posted on when I'm released froson m the hospital afterwards.

The whole email defies reason and.logic because Mike defies reason and logic. Only a Puffer fish like Bocabella, 'Beautiful mouth' could find any reason in what the village idiot says.

 

[wbcincy]

Sigh. Stupidity abounds.

McQueary isn't very articulate, and not very smart. That much is obvious. So, if you ask him about details that night, he'll have different recollections. Sometimes he'll say he's sure he saw abuse, other times, not sure. Saw a sex act, but didn't see actual penetration (could you ever really see penetration even if it was happening), etc, and so on.

But that happens all the time. You can describe a person's reaction to a given statement as "pissed off", and yes, you're right. But try to describe why you know that person is pissed off when someone asks you "What did he say?", and you answer....nothing, but he looked "pissed off".

The truth is, we pick up subtle hints that allow us to determine "danger" or "safe" or "she likes me" or "she doesn't like me" or "I think I'm about to get fired"....these are all instincts honed into our species over millennia. We can't describe them, but we know them.

What is the alternate theory here? That he saw absolutely nothing and is making it all up? That there's any good reason whatsoever for a grown man to be alone with a 12 year old boy, naked, in a shower? Seriously.

Indeed, stupidity does abound.

I have yet to hear anyone argue that MM is making it all up, so not sure why you'd even say that. What many folks have suggested is that MM's description of what he saw differed dramatically between when he told his father, Dranov, Paterno, Schultz, and Curley, and when he talk to police/testified.

Of course we all know now that Sandusky was a sick POS and preying on children, but don't pretend that an adult in an athletic facility shower with a youth makes that obvious. I worked out at the local YMCA after school all the time growing up. There were teens like myself and older guys using the showers there all the time, and not always discreetly. Does that mean every older guy there was a pedophile and I a victim? Of course not. Remember how the police said Sandusky showering in an athletic facility with a kid in '99 wasn't a crime? That's because it isn't. If MM simply says he saw them there together, you and I and everyone else would agree its wholly inappropriate, but if he wasn't touching the kid or doing something sexual, it's not a crime. That's why the specificity of what MM told everyone is so vitally important. And why his changing story explains the decisions of so many, and places so much blame on him.