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Not quite. They prove that he's had more success in the 3rd period than he's had in the 1st period.

As for why, that's impossible to answer, and the dynamics of each match are different. It could be that his actions in the 1st quarter, including shooting, wear out his opponent, and he capitalizes on that in the 3rd period. Your earlier posts advocate that Jimmy not shoot in the 1st period against Gasca. Perhaps that would work, or perhaps it would not wear out Gasca.

I hope he wins. Feel free to disagree with that, you know, just because.
 
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I hope he wins. Feel free to disagree with that, you know, just because.

lmao.

When someone switches the topic, it's almost never because they feel it supports their prior statement.

the issue wasn't who I hoped won. it was about how you interpreted data, and also about how you advocated Jimmy should wrestle against Gasca.
 
lmao.

When someone switches the topic, it's almost never because they feel it supports their prior statement.

the issue wasn't who I hoped won. it was about how you interpreted data, and also about how you advocated Jimmy should wrestle against Gasca.

You posted data that proved my point, then took issue with the point itself. Talk about lmao. And I'm still on topic. I didn't post the data, YOU did.
 
21Guns, why do you feel it is necessary to argue every little thing, with everyone who disagrees even slightly with you?

Mr. McAndrew, while posting data that SUPPORTED your point, apparently believes that if Jimmy doesn't wrestle aggressively in the first period, Gasca won't tire out so that Jimmy can take advantage of the superior conditioning advantage he has, that would be in line with the point you are making. A difference in strategy, with the same goal. Yet you immediately try to make it seem like he doesn't want Jimmy to win, if he doesn't wrestle the way you want him too.

Judging from the comments of others, you have enough history of doing this you are ignored by a good portion of them. That eliminates the good points I have seen you make on here. Maybe I don't agree with all of them, but there is logic to be found, and we each have a chance of being correct. But the opportunity to be correct doesn't, in civilized discourse, mean that you HAVE to be right, or that you have to act like an @SS to try to prove your point, when it is obvious that the other person isn't swayed.

Serious question-I am not mad, or hating or whatever-just a newcomer wondering.
 
21Guns, why do you feel it is necessary to argue every little thing, with everyone who disagrees even slightly with you?

Mr. McAndrew, while posting data that SUPPORTED your point, apparently believes that if Jimmy doesn't wrestle aggressively in the first period, Gasca won't tire out so that Jimmy can take advantage of the superior conditioning advantage he has, that would be in line with the point you are making. A difference in strategy, with the same goal. Yet you immediately try to make it seem like he doesn't want Jimmy to win, if he doesn't wrestle the way you want him too.

Judging from the comments of others, you have enough history of doing this you are ignored by a good portion of them. That eliminates the good points I have seen you make on here. Maybe I don't agree with all of them, but there is logic to be found, and we each have a chance of being correct. But the opportunity to be correct doesn't, in civilized discourse, mean that you HAVE to be right, or that you have to act like an @SS to try to prove your point, when it is obvious that the other person isn't swayed.

Serious question-I am not mad, or hating or whatever-just a newcomer wondering.
Oh, this will be good. I'll get to watch your side, stating that you are not attacking him, then see your response when he challenges you to meet him in an alley somewhere so you can discuss it man to man. All without having to see his messages.
 
21Guns, why do you feel it is necessary to argue every little thing, with everyone who disagrees even slightly with you?

Mr. McAndrew, while posting data that SUPPORTED your point, apparently believes that if Jimmy doesn't wrestle aggressively in the first period, Gasca won't tire out so that Jimmy can take advantage of the superior conditioning advantage he has, that would be in line with the point you are making. A difference in strategy, with the same goal. Yet you immediately try to make it seem like he doesn't want Jimmy to win, if he doesn't wrestle the way you want him too.

Judging from the comments of others, you have enough history of doing this you are ignored by a good portion of them. That eliminates the good points I have seen you make on here. Maybe I don't agree with all of them, but there is logic to be found, and we each have a chance of being correct. But the opportunity to be correct doesn't, in civilized discourse, mean that you HAVE to be right, or that you have to act like an @SS to try to prove your point, when it is obvious that the other person isn't swayed.

Serious question-I am not mad, or hating or whatever-just a newcomer wondering.

I will explain it to you if you are willing to listen. That's the problem, you aren't.

But guess what? I'll explain it to you ANYWAY:

Jimmy cannot do what Ashnault did, TECHNICALLY. Ashnault did not "shoot" per se, he moved in and controlled the arm with a tie, after he had the arm, he pushed Gasca physically, until he had a trip in front of him, he then went from a trip, to an easy single, and was in so deep that Gasca could not roll around. Easy takedown. From there, he manhandled Gasca, although Gasca nearly rolled him, before bellying out, immediately after that Ashnault tilted him for a four count and the match was effectively over in one minute and a half.

Jimmy is not physical enough to do this: This is Ashnault's game, with his length and strength, not Jimmy's game. Jimmy does not wear people down with shot volume, he wears them down because his gas tank is bigger. He gets quicker as the match goes along. Topher Carton didn't gas because Jimmy shot twice in the first, Topher gassed because Jimmy picks up in the third, while most stay even or fade. Those stats do not lie: He has problems finishing in the first, and because of that, he gets behind. IF he falls behind by more than two scores, his hand is forced and he is prone to get sloppy. This is what happened against Gasca.

If he keeps it close by not shooting UNLESS AN EASY SITUATION presents itself, as it did for Ashnault, then sure, grab an early takedown, but it won't...Gasca will funk him every time in the first. There is not a thing wrong with going into the second tied at 0-0. Jimmy is going to win the third. That's where he beat Gasca last year, when he beat him, IN THE THIRD.

The stats back up my point.
 
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This used to be a good thread.

And we already have a Gulibon / Gasca thread.

Can we get this one back on track since a certain poster ran it into a ditch ?

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I'll go:
Predictions.
1. How many team points does the winner score ?
2. Which 1 seed gets bumped earliest ?
3. Who is the best finishing unseeded wrestler ?
 
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I'll go:
Predictions.
1. How many team points does the winner score ?
2. Which 1 seed gets bumped earliest ?
3. Who is the best finishing unseeded wrestler ?[/QUOTE]

134.5- heil- jimmy g
 
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1. I like 134.5. Damn. I think it's more than 125 but not quite 140.
I'll go with 138.

2. Heil gonna get knocked off. He has a tough path. I'd not Heil, then NaTo.

3. I like the Princeton 197, previous AA in a weak weight class: Brett Harner. He was 36-6 last year and finished 8th at 174.
 
Wow, those are staggering stats. Has to be more than just exhaustion - look at the 2nd period stats. Maybe Jimmy is just too aggressive in the first and forcing it a bit.
Yes, patience. Crazy, but when he's in a zone and gets it looks phenominal. It's when he forces it that bites him. As do we all, I hope he ends it on a high note!
 
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Yes, patience. Crazy, but when he's in a zone and gets it looks phenominal. It's when he forces it that bites him. As do we all, I hope he ends it on a high note!

Which is why I say, be cautious in the first period against Gasca. Make Gasca shoot, he won't, because he seldom does. Go into the second either tied or just one down, and then win the third. 16-0 in the third does not lie.
 
Funny part about Jimmy's bracket is he could face wrestlers he's seen all year on his way to R12. Gasca, Diehl, Thorn, Cruz, McCrystal all in play for potential matches if he loses R1.

Thing that just stood out to me at 141, one of Meredith, Ward, Ashnault or Kolodzik are likely not AAing. Loser of Ward/Meredith will likely face the loser of Ashnault/Kolodzik in R12.
 
Would love to see Jimmy be this years James English.. put it all together and go out with a bang at your last wrestling tournament of your life...
 
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I come here for information and find a great deal of juvenile silliness. Maybe 10% of posters add value. The same thing happened with sports talk radio I.e. WIP etc.. IMO 90% of sarcasm is silliness and nothing more.
 
Funny part about Jimmy's bracket is he could face wrestlers he's seen all year on his way to R12. Gasca, Diehl, Thorn, Cruz, McCrystal all in play for potential matches if he loses R1.

Thing that just stood out to me at 141, one of Meredith, Ward, Ashnault or Kolodzik are likely not AAing. Loser of Ward/Meredith will likely face the loser of Ashnault/Kolodzik in R12.
Just my personal take. If Jimmy wins that first match Kolodzik and all that follow are in for a tough go.
If he losses that first match he isn't going to replicate Larry Quisel.
 
If Jimmy wins that first match Kolodzik and all that follow are in for a tough go.

His road to AA could potentially be not that formidable. A win in R1 might actually make his road more difficult, as he could end up facing Pletcher and Ward/Meredith/Jack(if he gets upset) in R12. Yet, lose in R1, he could end up not seeing someone all that difficult until 2nd match Friday morning.

But I do agree that, a loss for Jimmy and he may end up giving us nothing. He's performed quite badly in tournaments this year, all include an early loss.
 
His road to AA could potentially be not that formidable. A win in R1 might actually make his road more difficult, as he could end up facing Pletcher and Ward/Meredith/Jack(if he gets upset) in R12. Yet, lose in R1, he could end up not seeing someone all that difficult until 2nd match Friday morning.

But I do agree that, a loss for Jimmy and he may end up giving us nothing. He's performed quite badly in tournaments this year, all include an early loss.

Rd one Loss if seeds hold, Diehl MD, Thorn, Cruz, Eierman. That is tough
Rd two Loss if seeds hold, Box UNCO 26-12, Pletcher, Ward.

I much prefer he win the first match, and second match for that matter;).
 
NCAA still has old bracket up, dammit. Had Palacio winning that match anyway, but now the rest is mixed up.

Does anyone know, do they just slide the seeds up one?
 
NCAA still has old bracket up, dammit. Had Palacio winning that match anyway, but now the rest is mixed up.

Does anyone know, do they just slide the seeds up one?

I thought that was an interesting section for Heffernan. I wanted to see him get another crack at Lavallee, two losses to him this year, both in OT. He's now the 10, so Palacio/Kemerer, not liking those odds so much.
 
Helps Palacio I suppose, makes back end a bit easier?

I'd say it helps Palacio for sure, and it hurts Heffernan a lot. I think he had a real shot to AA from his bracket, probably the best place for him to be, now he's got to go through 2 of the best guys at the weight.
 
Redraw the entire bracket is the process, pretty sure. May be the case, only if the change is with a seeded wrestler...trying to find more info.
 
Which is why I say, be cautious in the first period against Gasca. Make Gasca shoot, he won't, because he seldom does. Go into the second either tied or just one down, and then win the third. 16-0 in the third does not lie.
Guns, 1 of 100 posts make sense. 90% of the others are repeated there by making your posts 99% irrelevant. Please stop the madness. No trolling this thread please
 
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