NCAA Brackets and discussion

[Bob_Anderson]

Right now Lewis is throwing a tantrum. I would be. I'm #1 and for my trouble I get a top 10 all timer in the quarters. I'm pretty pissed about that. After that, I may have to win 4 times just to get 3rd.

The committee cut off their nose to spite their face in this one.

 

[Psubiomed]

Does Mekhi cut a lot?

Yep. And he gets Carter at the worst possible time for him.

 

[mcpat]

Carter didn’t have enough matches for an RPI. So that’s a 0 for 10% of the seeding score.

 

[El-Jefe]

Davis' path -- assuming no major upsets:
- R1: pigtail winner of 32 Joyce (Brown) vs 33 Lujan (MSU)
- R2: 16 Peterson (Elite) or 17 Ungar (Cornell)
- Qtrs: 8 Figs or 9 McKee
- Semis: 4 Ramos, 5 Volk, or 12 Noto

A lot fewer landmines in the bottom half.

 

[pish69]

Mitchell has the Golden draw. Starocci, Brooks, Kerk don’t matter. Mekhi got screwed.

Levi tough draw, Nagao worst draw, 125 everything is crazy, Bernie good draw. Beau tough 2nd round match with Matthews. Kasak ok draw

Can’t wait

 

[Psubiomed]

Bailey concerns me at 133. Otherwise I think we can get the rest through to quarters

 

[johnstownsteel]

Kerk is #1, Schultz is #4. Hopefully Hutmacher knocks off Schultz, he's the only guy who kind of worries me because he wrestles such a stupid style.

Think Kerk is too quick for Schultz. Bastia only guy I think that will challenge him. They wrestled the matches for a reason tho. Lol

 

[Cowbell Man]

Do not love Beau's draw at first glance, nor do I love Levi's and Carter at 9 seems to punish others more than Carter...

This is when bad seeding rears its head….other punished by not considering who Carter actually is. 6 was actually the proper spot as it would put the people in his path as might have been otherwise.

 

[RB-Old]

Somebody has to ask it:

7 finalists? Davis, Beau, Levi, MM, Carter, Brooks and Kerk.
What if Bernie beats Salazar? Eight?

 

[El-Jefe]

Nagao's path:
- R1: 23 Yarbrough (Virginia)
- R2: 7 Bailey (Little Rock)
- Qtrs: 2 Crookham
- Semis: 3 Orine (NC State) or 6 Arujau

 

[donboy6499]

First impressions:

Daton Fix got a lifetime achievement reward in getting the 1 but he’s got a tough round 2 scrap.

Nagao, rough road.

Prefer not to have Matthews round 2 for Beau.

174 feels like a bunch of bureaucrats were tasked with punishing a guy for sitting out without fully understanding the consequences of it being unfair to the 1.

Everything else, blah. I like everyone else’s draw. Not 125 tbh but that’s just a trip to Vegas anyway. No good or bad for anyone.

 

[johnstownsteel]

Nagao's path:
- R1: 23 Yarbrough (Virginia)
- R2: 7 Bailey (Little Rock)
- Qtrs: 2 Crookham
- Semis: 3 Orine (NC State)

Yep. He has his work cut out for him.

 

[El-Jefe]

Beau's path:
- R1: 31 Owen (Columbia)
- R2: 15 Moore (Elite) or 18 Matthews (Pitt)
- Qtrs: 7 Happel (N. Iowa)
- Semis: 3 Woods (Iowa)

Matthews is a risk, but this is navigable. Beau is the best wrestler in his half, if not the weight.

 

[diggerpup]

What crackhead stuck a returning NCAA champ + World Champ at the 6 seed ??! (Vito Arujau)

 

[Psubiomed]

Carter didn't get the bad draw. The bad draw is everyone who gets Carter

 

[phelpsp]

It's a horrible draw for Mekhi. He has a big cut. Facing Carter in the finals would be a different deal.

Was thinking this, especially morning of day two

 

[El-Jefe]

Kasak's path:
- R1: 26 Abas (Stanford)
- R2: 10 Lamer (Cal Poly)
- Qtrs: 2 Parco
- Semis: 3 Arrington (NC State) or 6 Gomez

 

[El-Jefe]

Levi's path:
- R1: pigtail winner between 32 Wilcox (anOSU) vs. 33 Stampoulos (Buffalo)
- R2: 16 Travis (OKST) or 17 Mauller (Missouri)
- Qtrs: 8 Robb or 9 Lewan
- Semis: 4 Scott (NC State) or 5 Downey (N. Iowa)

Could be worse: Shapiro got Chittum in R2.

 

[Chickenman Testa]

Kerk is #1, Schultz is #4. Hopefully Hutmacher knocks off Schultz, he's the only guy who kind of worries me because he wrestles such a stupid style.

A healthy Kerk gets to Schultz’s legs at will

 

[PSU Mike]

Crazy that 3 time champ Carter gets the 9 yet Griffith gets the 2 and he's the one that might not even see the mat.

Griffith 4.

 

[El-Jefe]

Psycho's path:
- R1: 31 Mayfield (NW)
- R2: 15 Cassella (Binghamton) or 18 Brady (VT)
- Qtrs: 7 Olejnik (OKST) or 10 Amine
- Semis: 3 Ramirez or 6 Caliendo

Meanwhile, Hamiti vs. Carr in the quarters, winner gets O'Toole.

 

[johnstownsteel]

Levi's path:
- R1: pigtail winner between 32 Wilcox (anOSU) vs. 33 Stampoulos (Buffalo)
- R2: 16 Travis (OKST) or 17 Mauller (Missouri)
- Qtrs: 8 Robb or 9 Lewan
- Semis: 4 Scott (NC State) or 5 Downey (N. Iowa)

Could be worse: Shapiro got Chittum in R2.

After taking another look at this one, I don't think it's as bad as I first thought.

 

[johnstownsteel]

Griffith 4.

Yeah. My bad.

 

[El-Jefe]

Carter's path:
- R1: 24 Sparks (Goofers)
- R2: 8 Kemp (Cal Poly)
- Qtrs: 1 Lewis
- Semis: 4 Griffith or 5 Conigliaro or 12 Kennedy

Laughable that Welsh and Wolak got the 6 and 7 over Carter. NCAA misses an easy opportunity for a champ vs. 3x champ final on national TV.

 

[JWil23]

Don’t like Davis or Nagao’s, don’t mind any of the others. Lewis got screwed.

 

[jschrantz]

Mitchell has the Golden draw. Starocci, Brooks, Kerk don’t matter. Mekhi got screwed.

Levi tough draw, Nagao worst draw, 125 everything is crazy, Bernie good draw. Beau tough 2nd round match with Matthews. Kasak ok draw

Can’t wait

Levi is the rough draw

 

[mcruny42]

Downey and Chittum wrestled to basically a stalemate this weekend...Downey gets the 5 and Chittum the 14, thats a big seeding gap for guys that appear very close

 

[johnstownsteel]

Mitchell has the Golden draw.

It's almost as if the NCAA wants Keegan and Mitch in the finals. Lol

 

[El-Jefe]

Truax's path:
- R1: 27 Pine (Clarion)
- R2: 11 Hawks (Missouri)
- Qtrs: 3 Plott (OKST) or 14 Foca (Cornell) -- probably Plott, Foca might be injured
- Semis: 2 Salazar

Pinto got the 5 ahead of Bernie despite last weekend's H2H. LOL.

Tony Negron got the 31, opens with Salazar. Bummer.

 

[js8793]

Kennedy got a great draw

sarcasm? could have made the finals on the other side.

 

[johnstownsteel]

Truax's path:
- R1: 27 Pine (Clarion)
- R2: 11 Hawks (Missouri)
- Qtrs: 3 Plott (OKST) or 14 Foca (Cornell) -- probably Plott, Foca might be injured
- Semis: 2 Salazar

Pinto got the 5 ahead of Bernie despite last weekend's H2H. LOL.

Tony Negron got the 31, opens with Salazar. Bummer.

Great work as usual El. Thank you for this.

 

[PSU Mike]

Levi's path:
- R1: pigtail winner between 32 Wilcox (anOSU) vs. 33 Stampoulos (Buffalo)
- R2: 16 Travis (OKST) or 17 Mauller (Missouri)
- Qtrs: 8 Robb or 9 Lewan
- Semis: 4 Scott (NC State) or 5 Downey (N. Iowa)

Could be worse: Shapiro got Chittum in R2.

Add Andonian as a semi possibility …

 

[jmadden1998]

Seeding is almost entirely based on the matrix. When guys don’t have an RPI (10%) or finish low at their conference tourney (15%) they are going to automatically be seeded lower than they should ie Carter Starocci. There will always be questionable seeds because very little subjectivity is used.

 

[RoarLions1]

Last season, championship brackets only, there were 66 upsets by seed in the ten weight classes. That's 20% of all bouts. Lot's of very good and great wrestlers at the tournament, generally saw only one head scratcher.

The only seeding of the dozen or so I looked at by criteria that doesn't make sense is Starocci. Yes, no RPI and inj. def. x 2 didn't help, so the seed appears to be "by the book". However, this year the NCAA added some subjective measures to keep something like this from happening. One subjective criteria; "Number of Injury default or medical forfeits wins/losses" comes to mind. Not concerned for Carter at this point, it's more about the other guys in the bracket, especially Kemp & Lewis

 

[McScoreley]

sarcasm? could have made the finals on the other side.

No it could be better but he has the Harvard guy then either a completely broken Griffith or one of McCoy, Faison, Conley. That's a walk to being Top 6 at least in all likelihood.

 

[Folkstylefan]

Bgten got screwed with this seeding none more than at 74

 

[js8793]

Davis' path -- assuming no major upsets:
- R1: pigtail winner of 32 Joyce (Brown) vs 33 Lujan (MSU)
- R2: 16 Peterson (Elite) or 17 Ungar (Cornell)
- Qtrs: 8 Figs or 9 McKee
- Semis: 4 Ramos, 5 Volk, or 12 Noto

A lot fewer landmines in the bottom half.

if i’m not mistaken the top 2 seeds at 125 are true freshman who weren’t even ranked in the top 25 of the class lol

 

[RoarLions1]

Seeding is almost entirely based on the matrix. When guys don’t have an RPI (10%) or finish low at their conference tourney (15%) they are going to automatically be seeded lower than they should ie Carter Starocci. There will always be questionable seeds because very little subjectivity is used.

This was added for 2024 so "subjectivity" could be used, but only when needed;

SUBJECTIVE CRITERIA
The committee may also consider the following subjective measures to supplement established selection and seeding criteria:
● Bad Losses
● Outside the top 30 CR and/or 30 RPI
● Conference Champion
● Performance in last five matches
● Number of Injury default or medical forfeits wins/losses
● Best quality win
● Wrestler availability (injured or medically unable to compete)

 

[KCLion]

Carter's path:
- R1: 24 Sparks (Goofers)
- R2: 8 Kemp (Cal Poly)
- Qtrs: 1 Lewis
- Semis: 4 Griffith or 5 Conigliaro or 12 Kennedy

Laughable that Welsh and Wolak got the 6 and 7 over Carter. NCAA misses an easy opportunity for a champ vs. 3x champ final on national TV.

Ironically, isn’t Starks the guy who “ended” Carter’s winning streak? I believe that was his first injury default.

 

[Psubiomed]

Vito 6? BS.