NCAA Eligibility (Suriano)
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FTS--not sure what you mean by not wrestle in B1G's and not qualify for a spot. Practically speaking, if someone as good (or not even quite as good) as Suriano can't wrestle B1G's due to injury, he can default after 1 sec in tourney and then get a wild card and qualify for NCAA's. (I know it's no longer called a wild card, but I still think of it as that). Nick is guaranteed of going to NCAA's (assuming he's able to wrestle), even if he can only do a 1 sec def at the B1G's. How it affects his seed is another question. Maybe I didn't understand your post correctly.
my opinion is that he shouldn't have to go through putting on a show just to forfeit after one second in order to get an at large bid. I like the ncaa trying to close the loophole of skipping the entire conference championship means you arent able to wrestle in NCAAs, i just think there may be a better way. unless i am misunderstanding. My thought that maybe each team could designate one injured wrestler to miss his conference championships due to an injury and still wrestle in the NCAAs. I am also hopped up on cough medicine so if I am rambling or my posts are confusing I blame that!
Unfortunately, you then run the risk of coaches having a guy not wrestle for seeding purposes at nationals. I honestly think you should have to wrestle a six minute match or win by F/TF or win by MFF in order to qualify for nationals. Takes the murkiness away. If you can't do that, how can you be 100% 12 days later??
I guess a better question is who has MFF out of conference and placed high at nationals?
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Didn't think of that one, but no, I'm talking injuries of the shoulder, ankle, elbow, knee variety. Who can come up with anyone who was physically unable to perform at conference and then turned around and placed high at nationals. There must be some but I can't think of any offhand.
if the wrestler is lucky enough to earn an at large bid after mff out of the conference championships then he could automatically be seeded behind at the auto qualifiers. that would stop the ducking
Would that be fair to say the 5th seed who may have to face an at-large bid opponent who maybe should have been 2nd seed in the opening round?
The hate that is coming out, from this injury, is sad. Nick will go at B1Gs even if it's for one second. He'll qualify for Nationals, and I don't believe his seed will drop SIGNIFICANTLY. I am saying he'll still be seeded third if Dance wins his conference tourny, but at the very worst, he'll drop to 6th.
Hypothetically, if there was a #2 seeded wrestler that got injured in the the last dual of the season, and met all of the criteria, but wasn't ready enough to go all out in the BIG championship (with concerns of being re-injured versus having 10 extra days of rehab), then that wrestler would have to medical forfeit TWICE in the tournament. The first forfeit, would push him to the consolations, where he could opt to wrestle, or forfeit again, to exit the tournament.
One issue would be for the Team Championship, as you are giving up maximum Bonus points, twice, to opponents. In a tight race, this could be an issue.
He would probably still be seeded quite well for the NCAAs, but certainly have a rougher time to get through to the finals.
Now, this does not pertain to Suriano, as we've been assured by Spyker, that Nick is at 112%, and have a second source of info from Gun21. Direct from Coach himself, and guarantee there is no coach-speak.
I'm really looking forward to listening this weekend (I cut the cord to BTN), and plan on being in St. Louis mid March to crown 10 AAs and he celebrate the Team Championship.
I'll be the guy with hands cupped, aimed 10 feet over the Brands heads (I think that calculates out to 1 fathom), unless he does a handstand, and then I guess I'll have to aim at the mat (can I get clarification on this from someone?). My seat is in the Rutgres section, on the port side of the cruiseliner. See you all there
Gotcha. Yes, about the only thing that the current rule requires of the injured wrestler is to make weight and show up it seems for someone in Nick's situation. I misunderstood your post and thought you were concerned that Suriano might not qualify for NCAA's. May you have a quick recovery from your cough!
Let me see if I can paint this in a way that helps the seeding conversation.
Proper seeding is not only vital to a tournament but fair to all of its participants.
Punishing an injury by using a NASCAR "back of the pack" seeding is largely irrelevant to a #2 seed, but is monstrously unfair to a hard working mid seed who suddenly is facing a real #2 seed he earn the right not to be facing.
You aren't punishing Nick. You punish the field.
And worse, the mess that occurs in the backside is patently unfair. When a high seed unnaturally falls into the consys is not right at all.
The seeding committee will not look at Nick's possible inj or mff in general. They may move Dance ahead but that won't matter much. I fully expect Nick to be #2 at NCAA. It is not their job to evaluate an injury but to evaluate the record.
Proper seeding is vital and fair. Nick will be where his talent belongs.
Proper seeding is not only vital to a tournament but fair to all of its participants.
Punishing an injury by using a NASCAR "back of the pack" seeding is largely irrelevant to a #2 seed, but is monstrously unfair to a hard working mid seed who suddenly is facing a real #2 seed he earn the right not to be facing.
You aren't punishing Nick. You punish the field.
And worse, the mess that occurs in the backside is patently unfair. When a high seed unnaturally falls into the consys is not right at all.
The seeding committee will not look at Nick's possible inj or mff in general. They may move Dance ahead but that won't matter much. I fully expect Nick to be #2 at NCAA. It is not their job to evaluate an injury but to evaluate the record.
Proper seeding is vital and fair. Nick will be where his talent belongs.
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Once again, Cowbell strikes.
Allow me to add, I call terrible seeding "the PIAA effect", lmao.
I think Dylan Ness MFF'd after the semis to 6th place at BIG. Went on to get 8 or 9 seed and stuck Green and went in to finish runner up to Ringer. Not the exact scenario some were looking for as he did complete some matches.
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