Next year: Projected Line up

[Bondist]

Fairly new fan, love this forum but learning my way around. Incoming recruits with various forms of red shirts, grey shirts, etc simply tough to figure out.
Apologies as this season is very much at peak points, but curious not so much as Cenzo, Hall replacement but possibly 125, , thanks!

 

[86PSUPaul]

Joined on 2001 with 52 posts, it feels weird to say welcome...

just in case you didn’t know there is a pinned thread at the top called Penn State eligibility/recruiting spreadsheet from @dicemen99 The linked Google Doc shows commitments, that helps a lot with this type of speculation. Robbie Howard is coming next year and he currently wrestles 126 for Bergen Catholic, I believe he might be Cael’s plan.

 

[El-Jefe]

125 - Howard
133 - RBY
141 - Lee
149 - whoever steps up between Verk, Gardner, Pipher, and Busiello
157 - Berge
165 - Lee
174 - Starocci
184 - Brooks
197 - Beard
285 - Kerkvliet or Nevills

There's an off chance Cael could try to squeeze Bartlett into the lineup. Options would be:
- Bartlett 133, RBY shirts
- Bartlett 133, RBY 141, Lee 149
- Bartlett 141, Lee 149

RBY shirting is intriguing, because he could be a 2x national champ when the weight clears out after 2021. But it would sacrifice Bartlett's shirt in order to put out a suboptimal lineup next year.

The other 2 are options only if Lee bulks up to 149 -- that decision would need to be made early in the offseason, and he is apparently very comfortable at 141. (It's also not clear that this would improve our lineup.) If we don't hear about him bulking up during summer session, then it's off the table.

 

[Bondist]

Thanks guys, should have been clearer . New to Wrestling Forum, as previous posted only on Football sites since 2001. Go back to Catch Lion Fever in 1976-1980’s.

 

[James P. Whitters III]

I wonder where Sam Turner will land (I know that isn't a person previously talked about), but he would be a really solid 149 who can turn guys from the top position. He wrestled up at 149 as a true freshman for Wyoming and went to 141 the next year. He is in the transfer portal and could slip in at whichever weight Nick Lee doesn't want and be a potential AA. Just a thought. Cael could do well enough with just his own recruits, but this transfer portal business seems like it does change recruiting for the top teams. I could picture bringing in a 141/149 short term guy or even a 157 if for some unfortunate reason Berge can't recover fully. It sure makes predicting future lineups harder.

 

[LemonPie]

I like the unconventional approach of redshirting Lee and RBY and then wrestling Bartlett and Howard right away. All-in for 2022

125- Howard
133- Clabaugh/Bartlett
141- Bartlett/Busiello
149- Busiello/Barraclough/Transfer

I really want to see Howard at 125, because well you know, the last few years of 125. Plus who knows how long he can make that weight - though I would like think he could go all four years. But get whatever use you can get out of him at 125!

 

[James P. Whitters III]

I will be stunned if PSU isn't a huge favorite in 2022 just from what I see on the roster and the guys already in the pipeline.

 

[STAND with PRIDE]

I will be stunned if PSU isn't a huge favorite in 2022 just from what I see on the roster and the guys already in the pipeline.

I can hear them on HR now.

 

[STAND with PRIDE]

125 - Howard
133 - RBY
141 - Lee
149 - whoever steps up between Verk, Gardner, Pipher, and Busiello
157 - Berge
165 - Lee
174 - Starocci
184 - Brooks
197 - Beard
285 - Kerkvliet or Nevills

There's an off chance Cael could try to squeeze Bartlett into the lineup. Options would be:
- Bartlett 133, RBY shirts
- Bartlett 133, RBY 141, Lee 149
- Bartlett 141, Lee 149

RBY shirting is intriguing, because he could be a 2x national champ when the weight clears out after 2021. But it would sacrifice Bartlett's shirt in order to put out a suboptimal lineup next year.





The other 2 are options only if Lee bulks up to 149 -- that decision would need to be made early in the offseason, and he is apparently very comfortable at 141. (It's also not clear that this would improve our lineup.) If we don't hear about him bulking up during summer session, then it's off the table.

Without seeing guys and guys still in limbo, I came up with this 20-21 comparison.
I think we are gonna need all hands on deck next year as I feel Iowa could potentially be even stronger.


125 (with Howard)+10
133 with RBY plus 3-4 (weight STILL stacked)
141 (with Lee) even (Pletch, Eireman)
149 even (who can guarantee Busi is an upgrade??)
157- (God willing Berge OK ) plus 8-10
165- (Lee or MM) minus 6-8
174- (despite markys prediction) minus 4-6
184-(AB weight to lose) plus 4-6
197- (Beard in finals) plus 8-10
285- (crazy talent here) plus 2-4

 

[El-Jefe]

Without seeing guys and guys still in limbo, I came up with this 20-21 comparison.
I think we are gonna need all hands on deck next year as I feel Iowa could potentially be even stronger.


125 (with Howard)+10
133 with RBY plus 3-4 (weight STILL stacked)
141 (with Lee) even (Pletch, Eireman)
149 even (who can guarantee Busi is an upgrade??)
157- (God willing Berge OK ) plus 8-10
165- (Lee or MM) minus 6-8
174- (despite markys prediction) minus 4-6
184-(AB weight to lose) plus 4-6
197- (Beard in finals) plus 8-10
285- (crazy talent here) plus 2-4

We could lose points at 133 and 141 assuming Micic, Cruiseliner Nick, and Yianni return to those weights.

 

[STAND with PRIDE]

We could lose points at 133 and 141 assuming Micic, Cruiseliner Nick, and Yianni return to those weights.

Fix....
damn, forgot bout Yianni

 

[pawrestlersintn]

I will be stunned if PSU isn't a huge favorite in 2022 just from what I see on the roster and the guys already in the pipeline.

2022, the year wrestling was reinvented?

 

[Cowbell Man]

Fix....
damn, forgot bout Yianni

Believe this....there’s a man at 141 who can see this years hardware and when he gets it, no one will ever remember the guys that weren’t wrestling.

unless you are Cornell, then Yianni is gonna get the GOAT level conversation for 2 NCAA’s dropping out, then coming back and getting 2 More. You know NO one has ever done that.

 

[moug]

Joined on 2001 with 52 posts, it feels weird to say welcome...

just in case you didn’t know there is a pinned thread at the top called Penn State eligibility/recruiting spreadsheet from Diceman99. The linked Google Doc shows commitments, that helps a lot with this type of speculation. Robbie Howard is coming next year and he currently wrestles 126 for Bergen Catholic, I believe he might be Cael’s plan.

Quite a few updates need to be made to the spreadsheet.

 

[STAND with PRIDE]

Believe this....there’s a man at 141 who can see this years hardware and when he gets it, no one will ever remember the guys that weren’t wrestling.

unless you are Cornell, then Yianni is gonna get the GOAT level conversation for 2 NCAA’s dropping out, then coming back and getting 2 More. You know NO one has ever done that.

Believe this also,once Mr Lee stands on top step,he might be just the one to keep Yianni from being that 4xer.

 

[El-Jefe]

Believe this....there’s a man at 141 who can see this years hardware and when he gets it, no one will ever remember the guys that weren’t wrestling.

unless you are Cornell, then Yianni is gonna get the GOAT level conversation for 2 NCAA’s dropping out, then coming back and getting 2 More. You know NO one has ever done that.

Cowbell scoring early and often today with Dake jokes.

Unlike Dake himself...

 

[El-Jefe]

Quite a few updates need to be made to the spreadsheet.

No Dice

 

[GogglesPaizano]

I like the unconventional approach of redshirting Lee and RBY and then wrestling Bartlett and Howard right away. All-in for 2022

125- Howard
133- Clabaugh/Bartlett
141- Bartlett/Busiello
149- Busiello/Barraclough/Transfer

I really want to see Howard at 125, because well you know, the last few years of 125. Plus who knows how long he can make that weight - though I would like think he could go all four years. But get whatever use you can get out of him at 125!

Agreed. Cael has a lot of flexibility with some overlap at certain weights, and I think a desire to give RBY and/or N Lee red shirts.

It is also pretty clear that Iowa will be even better next year adding Eireman to their roster then dominated by seniors.

I won't say we will all out punt, but 'optimize' not for 2022 but for 2023 and beyond.

 

[nitlion6]

Believe this....there’s a man at 141 who can see this years hardware and when he gets it, no one will ever remember the guys that weren’t wrestling.

unless you are Cornell, then Yianni is gonna get the GOAT level conversation for 2 NCAA’s dropping out, then coming back and getting 2 More. You know NO one has ever done that.

Plus, he got older while doing it. Sure, everybody ages, but like you said nobody has won two while aging two years, took an aged year off and won two more while aging.
I still think it is Dake though. While aging Dake also grew. Nobody ever aged and grew like Dake.

 

[STAND with PRIDE]

Plus, he got older while doing it. Sure, everybody ages, but like you said nobody has won two while aging two years, took an aged year off and won two more while aging.
I still think it is Dake though. While aging Dake also grew. Nobody ever aged and grew like Dake.

My brain hurts

 

[nittinsc]

There's a crowd at 149, I'd like to see Pipher add 8 pounds of muscle and be an option as a true 157, not someone wrestling up a weight.

 

[El-Jefe]

I wonder where Sam Turner will land (I know that isn't a person previously talked about), but he would be a really solid 149 who can turn guys from the top position. He wrestled up at 149 as a true freshman for Wyoming and went to 141 the next year. He is in the transfer portal and could slip in at whichever weight Nick Lee doesn't want and be a potential AA. Just a thought. Cael could do well enough with just his own recruits, but this transfer portal business seems like it does change recruiting for the top teams. I could picture bringing in a 141/149 short term guy or even a 157 if for some unfortunate reason Berge can't recover fully. It sure makes predicting future lineups harder.

Turner is an intriguing idea, a 2x NQ with good bonus rates.

But he's at Nebraska Kearney this year. Weird that he transferred to a lower division school further from home unless there's some other issue.

 

[Brian LB-U]

We could lose points at 133 and 141 assuming Micic, Cruiseliner Nick, and Yianni return to those weights.

There is a post on the RU forum indicating Needy Nicky and his father might have left RU for good. Something about a riff that stemmed from Goodale and Reece Humphreys bringing Nato in to do some training. When asked about NS in the presser, it was all Goodale to do to offer up a very terse “No comment”

See post #10 in this thread:
https://rutgers.forums.rivals.com/threads/ru-wrestling-beats-indiana-29-7.187623/

 

[El-Jefe]

There is a post on the RU forum indicating Needy Nicky and his father might have left RU for good. Something about a riff that stemmed from Goodale and Reece Humphreys bringing Nato in to do some training.

See post #10 in this thread:
https://rutgers.forums.rivals.com/threads/ru-wrestling-beats-indiana-29-7.187623/

Post #10 is the infamous Creedo, who started the cruiseliner rumor about an undisclosed PSU wrestler -- and it wasn't Suriano because he hadn't enrolled yet.

I won't say Creedo is full of crap, but his eyes are brown and you really don't want to smell his breath.

 

[86PSUPaul]

There is a post on the RU forum indicating Needy Nicky and his father might have left RU for good. Something about a riff that stemmed from Goodale and Reece Humphreys bringing Nato in to do some training. When asked about NS in the presser, it was all Goodale to do to offer up a very terse “No comment”

See post #10 in this thread:
https://rutgers.forums.rivals.com/threads/ru-wrestling-beats-indiana-29-7.187623/

Fun forum to read.....

 

[ptomaselli]

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There is a post on the RU forum indicating Needy Nicky and his father might have left RU for good. Something about a riff that stemmed from Goodale and Reece Humphreys bringing Nato in to do some training. When asked about NS in the presser, it was all Goodale to do to offer up a very terse “No comment”

See post #10 in this thread:
https://rutgers.forums.rivals.com/threads/ru-wrestling-beats-indiana-29-7.187623/

Intrigued by his comment about a top upper weight transferring into RU next year. Any guesses? Hopefully not Beard or Kerk...

 

[86PSUPaul]

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Intrigued by his comment about a top upper weight transferring into RU next year. Any guesses? Hopefully not Beard or Kerk...

He said in a later post that the wrestler had two years and a red shirt remaining, so I don’t think Beard or Kerk qualify.

 

[GogglesPaizano]

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Intrigued by his comment about a top upper weight transferring into RU next year. Any guesses? Hopefully not Beard or Kerk...

Interesting. My vote is Singletary from tOSU

 

[McScoreley]

I think the only unspoken for position is 149 if Bartlett redshirts. I can see Cael possibly hitting the transfer portal for that. Otherwise it looks like:

125 - Howard
133 - RBY
141 - Lee
149 - ?
157 - Berge (hopefully he gets back to 100%)
165 - Joe Lee (Manville is an option also)
174 - Starocci
184 - AB
197 - Beard
285 - Kerk/Seth

It'll be super young but history has shown when Cael releases his hammers from redshirt, they are ready to contend.

 

[El-Jefe]

It's Creedo. Nobody is transferring to Rutgers. He's making sh** up again.

Just because they're dumb enough to believe him doesn't mean we have to be.

 

[McScoreley]

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Intrigued by his comment about a top upper weight transferring into RU next year. Any guesses? Hopefully not Beard or Kerk...

Beard is not going anywhere. Maybe Kerk if Snyder goes to the NJWC one year after joining NLWC (I sincerely doubt that) or if Seth beats him out next year.

There's a good chance that whoever wins our 285 spot, many schools are going to (discretely) be in the ear of the other one.

 

[joe_college]

Without seeing guys and guys still in limbo, I came up with this 20-21 comparison.
I think we are gonna need all hands on deck next year as I feel Iowa could potentially be even stronger.


125 (with Howard)+10
133 with RBY plus 3-4 (weight STILL stacked)
141 (with Lee) even (Pletch, Eireman)
149 even (who can guarantee Busi is an upgrade??)
157- (God willing Berge OK ) plus 8-10
165- (Lee or MM) minus 6-8
174- (despite markys prediction) minus 4-6
184-(AB weight to lose) plus 4-6
197- (Beard in finals) plus 8-10
285- (crazy talent here) plus 2-4

This is basically best case scenario.
125 - Very hard to predict a true freshman AA unless it is a Spencer Lee, Mark Hall type. Love Howard but I don;t think you put him in auto AA true freshman category.
133 - Could very well lose 5-8 points here with Fix, Suriano Micic back in the mix.
141 - See above.
149 - Hard to not gain some ground here but just not sure who it will be. Hopefully a transfer
157 - fingers crossed hopefully we are only gaining a couple because Berge gets on the podium this year.
165 - hard to slot Lee in as a auto AA here after what I saw at the Scuffle.
174 - I like what we have here, may not lose any
184 - Not sure about Brooks' weight to lose but I like a high AA finish which I hope he gets this year too.
197 - Again not sure I saw finalist out of Beard from what I saw at scuffle. For sure on the stand but...
HWT - Kirk will be plus 15+ from this year

 

[Mcnulty7310]

Beard is not going anywhere. Maybe Kerk if Snyder goes to the NJWC one year after joining NLWC (I sincerely doubt that) or if Seth beats him out next year.

There's a good chance that whoever wins our 285 spot, many schools are going to (discretely) be in the ear of the other one.

He claimed the mystery upperweight is from a midwestern school and has 2 years of eligibility left plus a redshirt. That eliminates Kerk/Beard, sounds like Gable.

 

[McScoreley]

He claimed the mystery upperweight is from a midwestern school and has 2 years of eligibility left plus a redshirt. That eliminates Kerk/Beard, sounds like Gable.

Ah. I also loved the backstory to why Suriano quit Rutgers apparently ... because there was another lightweight in the room, taking away the attention from Nick himself.

 

[PSUer1989]

I could see it being Gable. I imagine he is not satisfied with his Gopher experiences so far. Not that they are not all on him, but I could see him looking for a fresh start.

Edit...if this is true, you really have to look at RU for potential tampering. How do they get these kids interested without the kid at least declaring they want to transfer first? I think Goodale played dirty with Suriano and got rewarded for it...

 

[johnstownsteel]

Talking about "next year" at this point in the season just seems so HRish to me. Lol

Am I the only one left that thinks PSU is gonna win the title this year?

 

[johnstownsteel]

It's Creedo. Nobody is transferring to Rutgers. He's making sh** up again.

Just because they're dumb enough to believe him doesn't mean we have to be.

Lol. I love how hes over there taking credit for calling the Suriano transfer before anyone. Now I stopped caring to remember how that all went down with creedo over there but do recall him being full of it.

 

[El-Jefe]

Lol. I love how hes over there taking credit for calling the Suriano transfer before anyone. Now I stopped caring to remember how that all went down with creedo over there but do recall him being full of it.

Creedo is also taking credit for predicting Campolattano would transfer there.

If he even predicted it, he went so far out on a limb that he could lock his hands around the entire tree trunk.

I mean, after Camp got thrown out of Ohio State for the drug charge (which he was eventually exonerated for), and was living in Tampa and not even training, where else was he gonna go but walk onto his flagship state school that was desperate for warm bodies and big names?

Refresher on the "Suriano prediction": Creedo predicted an unspecified transfer from PSU who would make Cael poop a sh**liner. People thought it was Cenzo, who publicly refuted it. Creedo then changed his story several times. All of this was in the offseason before Suriano enrolled. Suriano transferred 1 yr later, and Creedo took credit for it.

 

[El-Jefe]

I can't believe that anybody believes Creedo and he has to be debunked ... but here we are.

Here are the criteria he specified bragged about on that thread:
- "A highly decorated upper weight guy,who hates his current college coach"
- "The RU Community is going to be jumping up and and wearing depends adult diapers from wetting themselves with pure happiness"
- "two years plus a redshirt."

2 yrs + a shirt means a current true SO or a JR on Olympic shirt – so let’s look at all of them at 184 and above:

184:
- Max Dean (from MI) – does not hate his coach. Please.
- Louie Deprez, Nino Bonaccorsi – both shirted, neither Midwestern (from NY and PA)
- Cameron Caffey, Jelani Embree, Marcus Coleman – all shirted

197:
- Noah Adams:, Jake Woodley -- shirted, not midwestern (from WV and PA)
- Jacob Warner - shirted
- Ben Darmstadt (from OH) – does not hate his coach
- Kendall Norfleet – shirted, from CA, and not highly decorated

HWT:
- Gable Steveson, Mason Parris – as if either would transfer to Rutgers
- Trent Hillger – shirted
- Tate Orndorff – shirted, not Midwestern (from WA) ... highly decorated?

Only one other current guy with that eligibility who is "highly decorated" -- North Carolina 197 Brandon Whitman was highly recruited out of Illinois. He has also not lived up to that billing at UNC, and who hates Coleman Scott?

Lots of other guys who are not "highly decorated" and certainly would not fill Rutgers fans will pure happiness.

So there you have it. Creedo is lying. Again.

Caveat Emptor.

 

[Ja1339]

I will be stunned if PSU isn't a huge favorite in 2022 just from what I see on the roster and the guys already in the pipeline.

And if we land Van Ness, Crookham, or Figueroa, then we are favorites for multiple years I'd think. If we land more than one of those studs, it's game over.