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I understand why so many people hate what the NFL and FBS have become but the sport is honestly as strong, if not stronger, than ever.
One main reason is that some people think quantity equates to quality.

The Bay City Rollers have a quantity of platinum and gold albums. Does not make it a quality product.
 
One main reason is that some people think quantity equates to quality.

The Bay City Rollers have a quantity of platinum and gold albums. Does not make it a quality product.
From an artistic standpoint you're right (although that's subjective). From a business standpoint, quantity generally means success.
 
One main reason is that some people think quantity equates to quality.

The Bay City Rollers have a quantity of platinum and gold albums. Does not make it a quality product.
Quality is determined by the customer, and the customer is consuming the product in record numbers. I’ve seen here on this message board and elsewhere out there that the NFL and college football are on the decline or will be on the decline soon, and I just don’t think that’s true at all based on the actual data.
 
Quality is determined by the customer, and the customer is consuming the product in record numbers. I’ve seen here on this message board and elsewhere out there that the NFL and college football are on the decline or will be on the decline soon, and I just don’t think that’s true at all based on the actual data.
Agreed. I suspect that most fans will always watch the best football available to them, even if that football is not what some of us would consider "high quality,"
 
Agreed. I suspect that most fans will always watch the best football available to them, even if that football is not what some of us would consider "high quality,"
The quality in terms of actual nfl gameplay as judged by a professional coach or former player is probably down in terms of technique and such, but that doesn’t matter to the average fan like you said. I do fear the quality will decrease in college more rapidly with transfer portal. Many of these portal kids are not getting consistent development over time. This is probably why we see transfer portal constructed Colorado and FSU failing miserably this season despite the raw talent that exists on those teams. Again, like I said, the fan interest is as high as ever, and it probably won’t mean anything to the average cfb fan. You even see this disease in high school with kids bouncing between schools year-to-year. But I attend high school games locally and they are certainly as popular as ever in terms of attendance and interest.
 
Agreed. I suspect that most fans will always watch the best football available to them, even if that football is not what some of us would consider "high quality,"
But is it still the highest quality available?
The truth is they just are catering to younger fans
 
Football is a party. That's what sustains it. It's once a week. People plan their weekends and vacations around it because they get together with other people and make it a social event, watching in person or at a bar or a house party. Even if the game sucks. When that isn't true any longer, ratings and attendance will crash. Until that day comes it rules the other sports.

It's true in Penn State's case. No matter how bad the performance on the field becomes, people will continue to support it because it's a party. When PSU finally bans tailgating and boozing at the stadium, it's a wrap.
 
Football is a party. That's what sustains it. It's once a week. People plan their weekends and vacations around it because they get together with other people and make it a social event, watching in person or at a bar or a house party. Even if the game sucks. When that isn't true any longer, ratings and attendance will crash. Until that day comes it rules the other sports.

It's true in Penn State's case. No matter how bad the performance on the field becomes, people will continue to support it because it's a party. When PSU finally bans tailgating and boozing at the stadium, it's a wrap.
I agree that the social aspect of the sport propels it at every level. Even at a high school level it’s a huge social event for the students and people in general in the region. I do think the sport still has good legs going forward because kids still love watching and playing the sport. I know in some areas of the country high school football participation is down a bit because of safety concerns, but flag football has really taken off and captures every age group. Even the girls are pretty damn good at it.
 
Huge drop off in passing TDs. What’s causing this? Less QB talent? Better pass defense?
 
Quality is determined by the customer, and the customer is consuming the product in record numbers. I’ve seen here on this message board and elsewhere out there that the NFL and college football are on the decline or will be on the decline soon, and I just don’t think that’s true at all based on the actual data.
The NFL’s biggest advantage is competition. It’s biggest threat is the continuation of its employee (players) pipeline. College football faces multiple threats and, while it may not be easily measurable yet, I believe is already on the decline.
 
S-A-T-U-R-D-A-Y- N-I-G-H-T. One of the greatest songs of the 70s............... the lyrics, musicianship really come together to create an almost perfect song......
 
The NFL’s biggest advantage is competition. It’s biggest threat is the continuation of its employee (players) pipeline. College football faces multiple threats and, while it may not be easily measurable yet, I believe is already on the decline.
At this point, it does not appear that the TV ratings show a real decline in college football overall. I do believe there is some regional weakness on the West Coast over the last several years with reduced attendances and TV ratings, but the interest is very strong elsewhere. It will be interesting to see if the decline of the PAC 12 impacts West Coast interest one way or another. I personally think the biggest threat to college football is the B1G/SEC superconference being discussed. That would dramatically decrease interest in the sport outside of those 40 or so schools.
 
S-A-T-U-R-D-A-Y- N-I-G-H-T. One of the greatest songs of the 70s............... the lyrics, musicianship really come together to create an almost perfect song......
Yeah right up there with Bridge over Troubled Water and Mike Reid’s I Can’t Make You Love Me.
 
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At this point, it does not appear that the TV ratings show a real decline in college football overall. I do believe there is some regional weakness on the West Coast over the last several years with reduced attendances and TV ratings, but the interest is very strong elsewhere. It will be interesting to see if the decline of the PAC 12 impacts West Coast interest one way or another. I personally think the biggest threat to college football is the B1G/SEC superconference being discussed. That would dramatically decrease interest in the sport outside of those 40 or so schools.
Would it though? I'm not convinced the Big XII/ACC/Pac XII/MWC/AAC merger for a second tier would kill it in ratings. They'll still have quality players. Betting for the league would remain high. Brands are still relevant and they actually get to compete for a title rather than knowing Georgia Bama or Ohio State is probably going to win. Maybe add Oregon due to Nike.
I'd watch more not less of their games..
 
Would it though? I'm not convinced the Big XII/ACC/Pac XII/MWC/AAC merger for a second tier would kill it in ratings. They'll still have quality players. Betting for the league would remain high. Brands are still relevant and they actually get to compete for a title rather than knowing Georgia Bama or Ohio State is probably going to win. Maybe add Oregon due to Nike.
I'd watch more not less of their games..
If the SEC/BIG super conference has its own championship, it would absolutely have a negative impact on overall interest outside that conference. A separate super conference essentially means two different sports. That’s not good for interest, ratings, attendance, etc.
 
If the SEC/BIG super conference has its own championship, it would absolutely have a negative impact on overall interest outside that conference. A separate super conference essentially means two different sports. That’s not good for interest, ratings, attendance, etc.
We completely disagree but hopefully we find out which one of us is correct
 
We completely disagree but hopefully we find out which one of us is correct
I think things will be calmer over the next couple years as that ACC lawsuit will drag on and the ringleader, FSU, is developing a reputation of a troublemaker and somewhat incompetent at the moment. The only action is the PAC12 rebuilding.
 
I think things will be calmer over the next couple years as that ACC lawsuit will drag on and the ringleader, FSU, is developing a reputation of a troublemaker and somewhat incompetent at the moment. The only action is the PAC12 rebuilding.
The MWC may collapse of they'll need to convince Montana, Montana and the Dakota schools to go up to FBS
Air Force seems like a lot for the American
The SEC will still take North Carolina and Virginia once the ACC implodes--maybe Arizona and OK State too
Notre Dame eventually caves and joins the Big Ten but who's the 20th team
The questions is whether this happens in 3 years, 5 years or 12 years but it's inevitable and until it happens I'm sure some are thrilled while others are frustrated

The Pac XII is going to be really frustrated IMO when they don't get Tulane and Memphis. I don't see the Pac XII making more money in a TV deal. Not taking Air Force with the first group was a miss.
 
One main reason is that some people think quantity equates to quality.

The Bay City Rollers have a quantity of platinum and gold albums. Does not make it a quality product.
Nice
 
The MWC may collapse of they'll need to convince Montana, Montana and the Dakota schools to go up to FBS
Air Force seems like a lot for the American
The SEC will still take North Carolina and Virginia once the ACC implodes--maybe Arizona and OK State too
Notre Dame eventually caves and joins the Big Ten but who's the 20th team
The questions is whether this happens in 3 years, 5 years or 12 years but it's inevitable and until it happens I'm sure some are thrilled while others are frustrated

The Pac XII is going to be really frustrated IMO when they don't get Tulane and Memphis. I don't see the Pac XII making more money in a TV deal. Not taking Air Force with the first group was a miss.
It’s always fun to speculate on this, but I am not as convinced those dominoes will fall. UNC, UVA, ND only move if FSU is successful in negotiations and has an invite elsewhere. That looks less likely now than it did 3 months ago. Okie State and Arizona do nothing for the SEC. I agree Air Force would be a good get for the PAC.
 
It’s always fun to speculate on this, but I am not as convinced those dominoes will fall. UNC, UVA, ND only move if FSU is successful in negotiations and has an invite elsewhere. That looks less likely now than it did 3 months ago. Okie State and Arizona do nothing for the SEC. I agree Air Force would be a good get for the PAC.
95% chance IMO that ESPN opts out of the ACC contact in 2027 making them all free
Okie State and Arizona make Texas/Oklahoma happy and creates a western pod. Arizona also adds a market (could use Arizona State or another Texas) as well but they'll stay South and I can't see them adding in Florida or bringing in Ga Tech.

JMO but I think they'll do 4 pods of 5 and the SEC will look something like
1: Oklahoma, Texas, Oklahoma State, Arizona and Arkansas
2: Texas A&M, LSU, Ole Miss, Miss State and Missouri (making A&M happy by keeping them away from Texas)
3: Alabama, Auburn, Tennessee, Kentucky and Vanderbilt
4: Florida, Georgia, North Carolina, Virginia and South Carolina

Easy 9 games--4 pod and they rotate the other 3 pods so you play everyone 2 out of 6 years

Big Ten is harder to break up to keep balance
 
95% chance IMO that ESPN opts out of the ACC contact in 2027 making them all free
Okie State and Arizona make Texas/Oklahoma happy and creates a western pod. Arizona also adds a market (could use Arizona State or another Texas) as well but they'll stay South and I can't see them adding in Florida or bringing in Ga Tech.

JMO but I think they'll do 4 pods of 5 and the SEC will look something like
1: Oklahoma, Texas, Oklahoma State, Arizona and Arkansas
2: Texas A&M, LSU, Ole Miss, Miss State and Missouri (making A&M happy by keeping them away from Texas)
3: Alabama, Auburn, Tennessee, Kentucky and Vanderbilt
4: Florida, Georgia, North Carolina, Virginia and South Carolina

Easy 9 games--4 pod and they rotate the other 3 pods so you play everyone 2 out of 6 years

Big Ten is harder to break up to keep balance
I think OK ST is (very) dilutive to SEC revenue. I don’t think the conference would consider adding a second school in a low population state (4M). The numbers do not work out and I doubt Texas and Oklahoma hold Ok St in any regard or future planning. The Sec is reportedly even hesitant about adding a second school in Florida, which has a population of 23M. Arizona may add a new market but they have little national following and do not even do well in their own state - another dilutive addition. Not to mention these Big 12 schools are at the beginning of a new media deal with prohibitive buyouts. I thought opposite just a few months ago but now I believe everything is stable over the next few years at least . If espn does not renew the acc watch Fox swoop in to land a discounted deal.
 
I think OK ST is (very) dilutive to SEC revenue. I don’t think the conference would consider adding a second school in a low population state (4M). The numbers do not work out and I doubt Texas and Oklahoma hold Ok St in any regard or future planning. The Sec is reportedly even hesitant about adding a second school in Florida, which has a population of 23M. Arizona may add a new market but they have little national following and do not even do well in their own state - another dilutive addition. Not to mention these Big 12 schools are at the beginning of a new media deal with prohibitive buyouts. I thought opposite just a few months ago but now I believe everything is stable over the next few years at least . If espn does not renew the acc watch Fox swoop in to land a discounted deal.
Before anyone comes in they can leave and UNC and Virginia will. Both the SEC and Big Ten will go to 20 and the SEC will want a western block that's south. It basically divides the country perfectly for 2 conferences.
 
Before anyone comes in they can leave and UNC and Virginia will. Both the SEC and Big Ten will go to 20 and the SEC will want a western block that's south. It basically divides the country perfectly for 2 conferences.
The GOR runs thru 2036 regardless of espn. Nobody can simply leave the ACC with out extreme penalty. The SEC will absolutely not invite any school that is dilutive, especially Arizona. The conference presidents would never approve to reduce their revenue for the sake of going national.
 
The GOR runs thru 2036 regardless of espn. Nobody can simply leave the ACC with out extreme penalty. The SEC will absolutely not invite any school that is dilutive, especially Arizona. The conference presidents would never approve to reduce their revenue for the sake of going national.
If the TV contract is broken I assure you any decent attorney, let alone the ones these schools can afford, will destroy GOR without an existing contract.
They're not reducing revenue--they're doing it and leaving the NCAA behind. This is all part of a plan and it's gone exactly as predicted so far--only the Pac XII moved faster than anyone thought.
 
If the TV contract is broken I assure you any decent attorney, let alone the ones these schools can afford, will destroy GOR without an existing contract.
They're not reducing revenue--they're doing it and leaving the NCAA behind. This is all part of a plan and it's gone exactly as predicted so far--only the Pac XII moved faster than anyone thought.
Those attorneys have not busted the GOR to date, but let’s say for example purposes that it can be broken. Where do FSU and Clemson end up? They’re not moving to the Big Ten. They do not meet the AAU requirement of the conference. They do not end up in the SEC. The reports have been that the conference is not looking to expand within the existing footprint. Do they choose a lateral move to the big 12? I doubt it, and I’m not sure that any Conference would be willing to invite two schools that have developed the reputation as troublemakers. There is a new article (Click here) on yahoo that the ACC may propose a new revenue share based on TV ratings and a shortened GOR to resolve the lawsuits. This is the way this will all shake out in the end in my opinion. It’s cheaper for all parties involved to end a very costly lawsuit. It keeps the ACC intact, and it does not appear that Clemson or FSU have a viable path into a power conference anyway.
 
Those attorneys have not busted the GOR to date, but let’s say for example purposes that it can be broken. Where do FSU and Clemson end up? They’re not moving to the Big Ten. They do not meet the AAU requirement of the conference. They do not end up in the SEC. The reports have been that the conference is not looking to expand within the existing footprint. Do they choose a lateral move to the big 12? I doubt it, and I’m not sure that any Conference would be willing to invite two schools that have developed the reputation as troublemakers. There is a new article (Click here) on yahoo that the ACC may propose a new revenue share based on TV ratings and a shortened GOR to resolve the lawsuits. This is the way this will all shake out in the end in my opinion. It’s cheaper for all parties involved to end a very costly lawsuit. It keeps the ACC intact, and it does not appear that Clemson or FSU have a viable path into a power conference anyway.
Clemson and FSU aren't the key. UNC is.
 

I understand why so many people hate what the NFL and FBS have become but the sport is honestly as strong, if not stronger, than ever.
How many of those 21 million are enjoying watching these kick offs?!!!!
 
How many of those 21 million are enjoying watching these kick offs?!!!!
I mean, they're going to have to adjust it next year. There's no incentive not to kick it deep for a touchback. I already adjusted to the formation. It doesn't bother me. Prefer college rules but has zero impact for me at this point
 
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