Why such hostility? Seems unwarranted. My comment was in reference to use of the word gap and another post that stated Nick lost matches to Red. I was merely stating the gap was small. If I offended you by my use of the word GAP, my apologies. I can always just read and not comment if that you make you happier.
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Why such hostility? Seems unwarranted. My comment was in reference to use of the word gap and another post that stated Nick lost matches to Red. I was merely stating the gap was small. If I offended you by my use of the word GAP, my apologies. I can always just read and not comment if that you make you happier.
I think you took my comment more hostile than I intended. My apologies as mine was meant as more of a joke than anything. I appreciate your take on Nick but your original post came across as kind of condescending so I sarcastically replied.
I have enjoyed your posts and think you add value but that's just me. Sorry again if it came across the wrong way.
I'll add that my quip wasn't actually an attempt to tweak Iowa. I am genuinely disappointed as a wrestling fan in the style that Sorensen has adopted against tougher competition over the years. I went on this rant last year, so I'll try not to be long-winded, but it really comes down to this: Sorensen has the size and the talent to really get after it against anyone at 149, except maybe Zain. Even then, I believe he would be better served to let the fur fly against Zain than by trying to slow down the match and steal it with one well-timed takedown.
I really liked Sorensen when I saw him as a freshman, despite that he was a Hawk. I suppose I have taken it a little personally as a fan that he has become so conservative once there is an uptick in the challenge posed by an opponent, but still . . . I think he is good enough to not need to resort to that style. Maybe I'm wrong about that, but I believe he can do a lot more than what he is doing. I want to see it as a fan.[/QUOTE]
This is spot on Slush and to add to it if I may. I feel like BoJo is very similar. Came out guns slinging and has slowly become the second most boring wrestler in NCAA history (exaggeration).
If you look at some of the up and coming programs, this is a style of the past and why teams like Missouri and NC State will do well moving forward. I remember a few years ago NC State beating Iowa and thinking, that should have never happened, but they took it to them/out-wrestled them. There are some other programs that come to mind like Lehigh and AZ St that I see passing the dinosaur style. Sorry to high-jack your thoughts just wanted to add to them.
I really liked Sorensen when I saw him as a freshman, despite that he was a Hawk. I suppose I have taken it a little personally as a fan that he has become so conservative once there is an uptick in the challenge posed by an opponent, but still . . . I think he is good enough to not need to resort to that style. Maybe I'm wrong about that, but I believe he can do a lot more than what he is doing. I want to see it as a fan.[/QUOTE]
This is spot on Slush and to add to it if I may. I feel like BoJo is very similar. Came out guns slinging and has slowly become the second most boring wrestler in NCAA history (exaggeration).
If you look at some of the up and coming programs, this is a style of the past and why teams like Missouri and NC State will do well moving forward. I remember a few years ago NC State beating Iowa and thinking, that should have never happened, but they took it to them/out-wrestled them. There are some other programs that come to mind like Lehigh and AZ St that I see passing the dinosaur style. Sorry to high-jack your thoughts just wanted to add to them.
So Nick is like Nolf and Joe like Zain......ok that will do
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Great stuff. Posts like these are why I always come to this site first for info on our wrestlers. Certainly not getting info like this from CDT or Pennlive. Thanks.
Any intel you'd like to share on the prospects of Nick and Joe's younger bro?
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No need for the tude. I live in Indiana and follow Indiana HS wrestling and his assessment and description of the Lee brothers seems very accurate, IMO. Nick more technical than Joe. Remember that Nick Lee won one HS title his sophomore year. Nick lost as a freshman to then senior Stevan Micic. He moved up a class to wrestle Red and lost his junior year. He skipped his senior year and moved to Happy Valley. He could of won three HS titles with ease. Not sure how many wrestlers in the USA could have beaten the senior Micic as a freshman.
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Fair enough. I certainly didn't mean to come across as condescending. I guess it was the 2nd time I've read that Lee had more than one loss to Red and I was trying to clarify it was only once. I guess that hits home being from Indiana, it was a match fans were begging to happen for 2 years and it finally did and "my" side lost. ha ha.
Here's to hoping he avenges that loss in B10s or Nationals.
I don't see Matt being near the level of the other two. He certainly isn't at the level Nick and Joe were at the same age. But he's a solid wrestler. I'd say he could wrestle in college, but would be surprised if it was at the D-I level, or at the high D-I level anyway. He's wrestling 138 this year and that weight is loaded in Indiana. Maybe not at high D-I level talent, but very deep.
Their state tournament starts this week, which will tell. It may be difficult to get to State. Indiana's tournament is one class and there are no true wrestlebacks. So the quarter finals of Semi-State is a win or go home round (called the Ticket Round) and with depth in that weight, the draw is everything. He's ranked 5th in the State right now, but 4th in his Semi-State, so a hiccup at the wrong time would be bad.
Still two more years to develop. I would think with Joe & Nick at PSU, that wouldn't help his development. But the program he comes from is strong with every wrestler from 106 - 160 state ranked, several in the top 10.
This is spot on Slush and to add to it if I may. I feel like BoJo is very similar. Came out guns slinging and has slowly become the second most boring wrestler in NCAA history (exaggeration).
If you look at some of the up and coming programs, this is a style of the past and why teams like Missouri and NC State will do well moving forward. I remember a few years ago NC State beating Iowa and thinking, that should have never happened, but they took it to them/out-wrestled them. There are some other programs that come to mind like Lehigh and AZ St that I see passing the dinosaur style. Sorry to high-jack your thoughts just wanted to add to them.[/QUOTE]
This just shows how spoiled we are as Penn State fans. Most top wrestlers are more conservative against top competition. We just have a team full of honey badgers. (Btw, Sorenson's bonus rate has improved every year.)
This just shows how spoiled we are as Penn State fans. Most top wrestlers are more conservative against top competition. We just have a team full of honey badgers. (Btw, Sorenson's bonus rate has improved every year.)[/QUOTE]Most 149 ers learn pretty quick and the field went up or down a weight, imo
WF0314, Nick Lee question please. After the Lee / Red match, are you aware of any reaction from the Lee camp about Red's behavior immediately post match? I always thought Red's behavior was a tad bit over the top. I get being excited, but show some humility IMO. Am I off base? TIA.
There was a lot of discussion about it on indianamat.com from fans all across the state. Many were turned off by it. Some defended it. Others pointed out it demonstrated the difference between the two. Red being flashy, flamboyant, etc. Many saw Red being all about himself. Whereas Lee is seen as confident, yet humble and classy. There was nothing from the Lee family or coaches about it. That's not their style. But it was certainly widely discussed.
I think what made that match so intense is that it was anticipated for a couple of years. Indiana HS wrestling has gotten much stronger and has had more nationally ranked wrestlers than in the past. But it doesn't have the depth of PA, IL or OH, so when two wrestlers of that caliber face off, it ignites the wrestling community in the whole state. Add to that, the differences noted above, the fact Red was going for a 4th State Title and an undefeated HS career. Lee had also been injured much of his junior year and had only wrestled 3 matches going into the State Tournament and none since the first of January, creating speculation on whether he was healthy and would even wrestle at all.
Nick also had almost star status in the state because he won a pre-season tournament before entering 7th grade, beating a HS field, including Hayden Lee. The tournament typically draws wrestlers from 8-10 states and is loaded with state champs and placers. For Lee to step in as a 7th grader and win it put the state on notice. Then when he stepped in as a freshman and wrestled at the same weight as Senior 2-time State Champ Stevan Micic because he wanted to face the best.
Sorry for the long answer, but I thought a little background would give a better perspective. PA probably sees matches like this every year, but for Indiana it was a once in a decade type match.
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