Nick S question...

[Bigfigga1920]

Do you guys see Nick staying at 125 for the foreseeable future, or does he eventually bump to 133?

Extremely impressed with this kid. I couldn't believe how well put together he was first time I saw him on TV, much more muscular than I expected.

Being an tOSU fan, I know what it's like following a 125 who loves to lift and carry a lot of muscle... How much is Nick walking around at, is he cutting much at all now to make weight, if at all?

As a fan, I'm also asking if he could potentially out grow 125 because of the future, raw potential the 125 class has nationally the next couple years, in particular Spencer Lee and Daton Fix.

Do you guys for see Nick staying at 125 and battling it out with these two? Or do you see him bumping up to 133? I know you have Nick Lee waiting there at 133 too, if I'm not mistaken.

Lastly, will Nick take his redshirt? If I'm a PSU fan, and the potential of Nick moving up is there because he won't end up being a 125 for his entire career, I could selfishly (as an hypothetical fan of PSU and Nick) see Nick wrestling 125 the rest of this season and next, and then bumping up to 133 his junior year. Common sense tells me this would be his easiest path to being a multi time champ, as both Lee and Fix are likely to redshirt next season, and Tomasello, Clark etc will be graduated come Nick's 3rd year.

Now trust me I know it's not in Penn State's nor this kid's DNA to avoid or duck anybody, and I have no doubt in my mind Nick could still be a multi champ at 125 if he stays.

The easier path though is without question going to be at 133, so it's the reason I ask if PHYSICALLY... Is Nick a career 125 pounder?

Last thing I'd like to add is if he still plans on taking his redshirt, the ideal time to do so would probably be after next season, that is if he were to bump to 133 the next following. But those chances of he red shirting Nolf and Nickal's senior seasons are next to none. Could see both Nick and Hall taking their shirt the season after the Big 2 graduate?

I know as a fan of the sport overall, I would love and hope Nick remains a 125 his entire career, along with Lee and Fix, and I get to witness those battles for the years to come.

Sorry for the post length! Interested in hearing some of your guys feelings on it though...?

 

[Cali_Nittany]

Do you guys see Nick staying at 125 for the foreseeable future, or does he eventually bump to 133?

Extremely impressed with this kid. I couldn't believe how well put together he was first time I saw him on TV, much more muscular than I expected.

Being an tOSU fan, I know what it's like following a 125 who loves to lift and carry a lot of muscle... How much is Nick walking around at, is he cutting much at all now to make weight, if at all?

As a fan, I'm also asking if he could potentially out grow 125 because of the future, raw potential the 125 class has nationally the next couple years, in particular Spencer Lee and Daton Fix.

Do you guys for see Nick staying at 125 and battling it out with these two? Or do you see him bumping up to 133? I know you have Nick Lee waiting there at 133 too, if I'm not mistaken.

Lastly, will Nick take his redshirt? If I'm a PSU fan, and the potential of Nick moving up is there because he won't end up being a 125 for his entire career, I could selfishly (as an hypothetical fan of PSU and Nick) see Nick wrestling 125 the rest of this season and next, and then bumping up to 133 his junior year. Common sense tells me this would be his easiest path to being a multi time champ, as both Lee and Fix are likely to redshirt next season, and Tomasello, Clark etc will be graduated come Nick's 3rd year.

Now trust me I know it's not in Penn State's nor this kid's DNA to avoid or duck anybody, and I have no doubt in my mind Nick could still be a multi champ at 125 if he stays.

The easier path though is without question going to be at 133, so it's the reason I ask if PHYSICALLY... Is Nick a career 125 pounder?

Last thing I'd like to add is if he still plans on taking his redshirt, the ideal time to do so would probably be after next season, that is if he were to bump to 133 the next following. But those chances of he red shirting Nolf and Nickal's senior seasons are next to none. Could see both Nick and Hall taking their shirt the season after the Big 2 graduate?

I know as a fan of the sport overall, I would love and hope Nick remains a 125 his entire career, along with Lee and Fix, and I get to witness those battles for the years to come.

Sorry for the post length! Interested in hearing some of your guys feelings on it though...?

The only question I can definitivly answer is that Suriano will not change weights to avoid anyone. He does fit best at 125 in the plan for world domination. RBY is also coming in, probably at 133. Nick Lee probably starting at 141 not 133.

 

[RoarLions1]

If mom and dad are any indication (genetics), Nick will remain 125.

 

[KidNittany]

Do you guys see Nick staying at 125 for the foreseeable future, or does he eventually bump to 133?

Extremely impressed with this kid. I couldn't believe how well put together he was first time I saw him on TV, much more muscular than I expected.

Being an tOSU fan, I know what it's like following a 125 who loves to lift and carry a lot of muscle... How much is Nick walking around at, is he cutting much at all now to make weight, if at all?

As a fan, I'm also asking if he could potentially out grow 125 because of the future, raw potential the 125 class has nationally the next couple years, in particular Spencer Lee and Daton Fix.

Do you guys for see Nick staying at 125 and battling it out with these two? Or do you see him bumping up to 133? I know you have Nick Lee waiting there at 133 too, if I'm not mistaken.

Lastly, will Nick take his redshirt? If I'm a PSU fan, and the potential of Nick moving up is there because he won't end up being a 125 for his entire career, I could selfishly (as an hypothetical fan of PSU and Nick) see Nick wrestling 125 the rest of this season and next, and then bumping up to 133 his junior year. Common sense tells me this would be his easiest path to being a multi time champ, as both Lee and Fix are likely to redshirt next season, and Tomasello, Clark etc will be graduated come Nick's 3rd year.

Now trust me I know it's not in Penn State's nor this kid's DNA to avoid or duck anybody, and I have no doubt in my mind Nick could still be a multi champ at 125 if he stays.

The easier path though is without question going to be at 133, so it's the reason I ask if PHYSICALLY... Is Nick a career 125 pounder?

Last thing I'd like to add is if he still plans on taking his redshirt, the ideal time to do so would probably be after next season, that is if he were to bump to 133 the next following. But those chances of he red shirting Nolf and Nickal's senior seasons are next to none. Could see both Nick and Hall taking their shirt the season after the Big 2 graduate?

I know as a fan of the sport overall, I would love and hope Nick remains a 125 his entire career, along with Lee and Fix, and I get to witness those battles for the years to come.

Sorry for the post length! Interested in hearing some of your guys feelings on it though...?

Projecting where a true freshman will end up weight wise is always hard, but by the eyeball test he looks like a career 25. He is ripped but he isn't that big. He is somewhat lean so I could see some more muscle being packed on while staying there.

Don't know why Nick would consider bumping when he is at the top of the weight class as a true freshman. The other guys still have to get into a college room. Not saying they won't be successful (I have no doubt they will) but I find it hard thinking any college wrestler would duck any incoming freshman. Further, when you have aspirations like these kids, you realize you're going to be going up against them through the senior level if you choose that path - avoiding them in college is detrimental. I think the old days of moving weight classes to avoid guys are muted.

Redshirting would depend on the team and what/who we will need. Since we have Cortez coming back and Lee coming in, I see no reason for Nick to bump. Also, we don't have a guy who could come in an perform at Nick's or near Nick's level at 25, so moving him probably wouldn't be prudent. Not like we have a Conaway situation where he could slot at 25 or 33 so you can move guys around.

Really nice post

 

[SRATH]

I think he stays at 125 given who is coming into the program and when. Dicemans list pinned above is helpful when second guessing these things.

 

[jrd23psu]

and then bumping up to 133 his junior year. Common sense tells me this would be his easiest path to being a multi time champ, as both Lee and Fix are likely to redshirt next season, and Tomasello, Clark etc will be graduated come Nick's 3rd year.

Well, that's a couple of years out at this point. We really don't know what 133lbs will look like in two years. There's no way to say for sure that 133lbs will be an easier weight than 125lbs.

 

[creamery freak]

Do you guys see Nick staying at 125 for the foreseeable future, or does he eventually bump to 133?

Extremely impressed with this kid. I couldn't believe how well put together he was first time I saw him on TV, much more muscular than I expected.

Being an tOSU fan, I know what it's like following a 125 who loves to lift and carry a lot of muscle... How much is Nick walking around at, is he cutting much at all now to make weight, if at all?

As a fan, I'm also asking if he could potentially out grow 125 because of the future, raw potential the 125 class has nationally the next couple years, in particular Spencer Lee and Daton Fix.

Do you guys for see Nick staying at 125 and battling it out with these two? Or do you see him bumping up to 133? I know you have Nick Lee waiting there at 133 too, if I'm not mistaken.

Lastly, will Nick take his redshirt? If I'm a PSU fan, and the potential of Nick moving up is there because he won't end up being a 125 for his entire career, I could selfishly (as an hypothetical fan of PSU and Nick) see Nick wrestling 125 the rest of this season and next, and then bumping up to 133 his junior year. Common sense tells me this would be his easiest path to being a multi time champ, as both Lee and Fix are likely to redshirt next season, and Tomasello, Clark etc will be graduated come Nick's 3rd year.

Now trust me I know it's not in Penn State's nor this kid's DNA to avoid or duck anybody, and I have no doubt in my mind Nick could still be a multi champ at 125 if he stays.

The easier path though is without question going to be at 133, so it's the reason I ask if PHYSICALLY... Is Nick a career 125 pounder?

Last thing I'd like to add is if he still plans on taking his redshirt, the ideal time to do so would probably be after next season, that is if he were to bump to 133 the next following. But those chances of he red shirting Nolf and Nickal's senior seasons are next to none. Could see both Nick and Hall taking their shirt the season after the Big 2 graduate?

I know as a fan of the sport overall, I would love and hope Nick remains a 125 his entire career, along with Lee and Fix, and I get to witness those battles for the years to come.

Sorry for the post length! Interested in hearing some of your guys feelings on it though...?

I think he will stay at 125 as long as he can maintain the weight and or a suitable 125 lbr is recruited to take his spot so he could move to 133 maybe 18-19 season. Nick had an epic match with Fix already and I’m sure someone can post a link, I think it was a multiple overtime match maybe like 20 plus minutes.

I seriously doubt you’ll see Spencer Lee redshirt as he’s college ready and Gilman is currently a senior.

 

[Ja1339]

Isn't there also a chance that Lee or Fix move up to 33 at some point?

 

[LemonPie]

If he wants to do MMA, the difference in prize money between 125 and 135 is pretty large. I think he bumps eventually. Hope he doesn't

 

[Bigfigga1920]

Now that you guys know I have nothing but the upmost respect for your program and its wrestlers, I guess I'll cut to the chase with a question I was very careful to ask initially in fear of coming off the wrong way.

We all know that a college room and wrestling upperclassman for any freshman is a completely different ballgame.

Some wrestlers though, EXACTLY like your own Mark Hall, have about as close to a can't miss, multi -national champ credential once they arrive at campus and that expectation begins their very first match.

I think we can all agree Spencer Lee is absolutely in this category. (I still quiver at the thought of you guys landing him and how unfair that would have been).

A previous poster made the broad statement that any wrestler whose top of their class as a freshman, with Nick being #2 already, would never take into consideration or notice another freshman who hasn't been in a college room yet. In 95% of cases, I agree. But I think Spencer Lee is different.

You don't think OSU took immediate notice when Hall's shirt was removed, including the positioning needed now differently when not only is a top 5 guy now added to the fray nationally, but now also in your same conference?

Sure they did. They did because Mark Hall is a phenom, an unproven one, but one without question that can't be ignored because of his age or college room experience.

So I just ask If I hypothetically knew a 'Mark Hall' type rare talent was heading into my weight class for the next 3 years, especially right after the #1 Gilman graduates, would I consider bumping to 133 where no prodigy or multi -national champ expectant existed? I'd be crazy not to consider it, or have the thought cross my mind....right?

And trust me.... This take is coming from a fan of the sport who desperately wants Nick to stay at 125 and battle Spencer Lee their entire careers... Without question.

I was just curious if not strategically a bump up was in the works, but from a physical standpoint if Nick at some point in the future would have to bump up at a more comfortable weight. (133)

Can't wait to see how this kid's career unfolds! I must say your program has become the Golden State Warriors of wrestling.. Just remarkable talent up and down but more importantly... So fun to watch and just so easy to admire the skill demonstrated on the mat...

I'll be the first to admit I'll tell people I can't stand Penn State wrestling but for some reason I watch every one of your matches!! Every true fan of the sport does, I assure you.

Good luck guys the rest of the way.... And no.... you don't need it.

 

[nitlion6]

I think the old days of moving weight classes to avoid guys are muted.

Not that muted. IMAR going to 165 to avoid "The Nolfman" being a recent example.

 

[Tom McAndrew]

I'll be the first to admit I'll tell people I can't stand Penn State wrestling but for some reason I watch every one of your matches!! Every true fan of the sport does, I assure you.

comments like this always baffle me. There isn't a college wrestling team that I "can't stand." There are some coaches, and some individual wrestlers, whose antics, style, etc. I'm not in favor of, but I don't merge those feelings with my thoughts on the other wrestlers in the respective program.

As for Nick Suriano, he may stay at 125 for his entire PSU career, or he may move up to a higher weight during his time at PSU. That will be predicated on his growth, his normal weight, and a few other factors. It will not be based upon competitors at other programs, and where they elect to wrestle.

 

[jrod9]

Defending champ won't be running from anyone next year.

 

[greenmanRD]

Lee/Suriano have had some close battles over their HS years, and I wouldn't expect Lee to get the better of Suriano the vast majority of the time while they're in college.

 

[nitlion6]

Now that you guys know I have nothing but the upmost respect for your program and its wrestlers, I guess I'll cut to the chase with a question I was very careful to ask initially in fear of coming off the wrong way.

We all know that a college room and wrestling upperclassman for any freshman is a completely different ballgame.

Some wrestlers though, EXACTLY like your own Mark Hall, have about as close to a can't miss, multi -national champ credential once they arrive at campus and that expectation begins their very first match.

I think we can all agree Spencer Lee is absolutely in this category. (I still quiver at the thought of you guys landing him and how unfair that would have been).

A previous poster made the broad statement that any wrestler whose top of their class as a freshman, with Nick being #2 already, would never take into consideration or notice another freshman who hasn't been in a college room yet. In 95% of cases, I agree. But I think Spencer Lee is different.

You don't think OSU took immediate notice when Hall's shirt was removed, including the positioning needed now differently when not only is a top 5 guy now added to the fray nationally, but now also in your same conference?

Sure they did. They did because Mark Hall is a phenom, an unproven one, but one without question that can't be ignored because of his age or college room experience.

So I just ask If I hypothetically knew a 'Mark Hall' type rare talent was heading into my weight class for the next 3 years, especially right after the #1 Gilman graduates, would I consider bumping to 133 where no prodigy or multi -national champ expectant existed? I'd be crazy not to consider it, or have the thought cross my mind....right?

And trust me.... This take is coming from a fan of the sport who desperately wants Nick to stay at 125 and battle Spencer Lee their entire careers... Without question.

I was just curious if not strategically a bump up was in the works, but from a physical standpoint if Nick at some point in the future would have to bump up at a more comfortable weight. (133)

Can't wait to see how this kid's career unfolds! I must say your program has become the Golden State Warriors of wrestling.. Just remarkable talent up and down but more importantly... So fun to watch and just so easy to admire the skill demonstrated on the mat...

I'll be the first to admit I'll tell people I can't stand Penn State wrestling but for some reason I watch every one of your matches!! Every true fan of the sport does, I assure you.

Good luck guys the rest of the way.... And no.... you don't need it.

First. Spencer is likely to redshirt next year. Size is one reason. Second, Iowa most likely is not going to challenge Penn State next year so load up to make a run down the road.
If 2 years from now Nick is still a 25 pounder, which is a strong possibility, then they would face off. By that time Spencer will be bigger and stronger, but his top game will most likely not be effective against Nick and I see Nick with the superior neutral skill set.
Nick moving forward will most likely be just fine at 125.

 

[Bigfigga1920]

To clarify.... Saying 'I can't stand PSU wrestling' isn't based on any dislike to the wrestling program's existence, it's a simple catch phrase in saying God I can't stand how jealous I am to how dominant their program has become both on the mat, and in the recruiting world. It's a compliment,but I can definitely see how it can be perceived as a poor choice of words. I'm an obvious OSU fan in football too... As you can imagine, many fans say the can't stand Alabama. Why? Because of their dominant success on the field. And the domination recruiting on top of that. They set the bar to where you want your program to be. Just like you guys do for the wrestling world now.

 

[RoarLions1]

If it happens (Suriana vs Lee), let the best wrestler win. All fans win, either way...let "the process" work.

 

[a_mshaffer]

I think the weight changes that have gone on over the past years at PSU provides the answer. The wrestlers choose their weight without concern for their opponents. Nickle moving up this year is a prime example. I see Nick going to '33 if the pull to 25 is too much for him. If the team needed him there he would reconsider what 'too much' is - but only then.

 

[Tom McAndrew]

To clarify.... Saying 'I can't stand PSU wrestling' isn't based on any dislike to the wrestling program's existence, it's a simple catch phrase in saying God I can't stand how jealous I am to how dominant their program has become both on the mat, and in the recruiting world.

I still don't share your sentiments. PSU men's basketball is not even close to a NCAA power. I enjoy Villanova, Kentucky, Duke, UNC, MSU, Kansas, UCLA, Indiana, UCONN, Louisville, etc. They recruit better than PSU, and have better programs historically and recently than PSU. I will always root for PSU, and take special pleasure when PSU defeats a team like one of the aforementioned (as they did MSU earlier this season).

It's a compliment,but I can definitely see how it can be perceived as a poor choice of words.

I guess I just choose my words a little better, though as I indicated previously, I don't share your sentiment, whether it's used as a compliment or as a derision.

I said my peace on this. It appears that we are on different tracks, so if you want the last word, you can have it, as I'm done in this discussion.

 

[PSUAllTheWay]

You are a better man than most, Tom! Including me ;-)

I absolutely, positively HATE U. of Iowa wrestling. Always have and always will. The only time I will root for an Iowa wrestler is if by some twist of fate it helps PSU. I can respect them but will never like them.

Sorry.