This year's B1G > Last year's B1G? Because the number of the year is bigger?
I can't follow this logic at all.
Nickal Looked Like He Had No Game Plan Whatsoever to Win That Match
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This year's B1G > Last year's B1G? Because the number of the year is bigger?
I can't follow this logic at all.
My favorite fight of all time was Toney vs Vassiliy Jirov: Jirov threw 2 million punches and landed 99, Toney threw 100 and also landed 99, LOL
Bo has lost to him when it has counted the most - 2016 NCAA final, and today, Big10 semifinal match.
That is awesome man! I was also rooting for Garcia. I really like his attitude and seems like a real good kid. Crazy you bring up Larry Holmes, I have a nice memory from his gym back in late 90's. I recently moved away closer to my then girlfriend(now wife) and was looking for a new boxing gym. Anyway the first one I went to nearby my apartment was a joke, so i traveled like 45 minutes to Holmes' gym. First day I walked in he was on the treadmill running and there was a lot of fighters and spectators there. I was kind of in awe seeing him in person for the first time, seeing that I watched many of his fights with my Dad growing up.
Anyway this one fighter around my weight approached me while I was on the heavybag and asked me to spar. I declined and said we can do it tomorrow when I am fresh, I was pretty tired and it was my first day there and I knew no one. I was in good shape, but not top shape either. Next day comes and that kid was there already so we talk and we going to spar first right away. So I got some random guy there to help me get my gloves and headgear on. Well I watched the dude spar the day before so I knew he was good, BUT he had no idea who I was! Now the whole time Larry just is running on that treadmill. So first round kid attacks me and starts banging right away, so I knew this was just a fight not just a sparring session to work.. Mistake for him. I busted him up for 4 rounds and that was it. So afterwards Larry Holmes starts yelling at me asking who I am and telling me one day I am going to be great!!! Told me I just gotta get better conditioned. Anyway that day meant a lot to me to have an boxing all time great compliment me. Sorry for long post.
Amazing fight!!! Last round was epic Toney.
Sorry guys. Last boxing/Toney post. Haha.
Bo's MO many times this year has been to score off others' shot attempts, especially single leg shots that weren't finished. I only heard last night's match, but it sounds like Martin's shots were too quick, and too deep (doubles) for Bo to funk out of. Am I perceiving that correctly guys?
You're cherry picking the last 3 meetings trying to make Bo out a choker in big matches. Bo pinned Martin in the B10 174 Semis last year. That's a pretty decent win under pressure in my book. So, to be fair they're actually 2-2 in their last 4 meetings.
So the way I see it, we need Sammy to beat MyMar today. If that is the case then MyMar is likely the 4 or 5 seed in St Louis and he will be Deans problem come Friday night. Bo with the 2 or 3 will need to get through Sammy and possibly Jackson depending.
Nice! Glad you took it in the spirit it was intended! Great story you tell further on down. My guys were Leonard, Salvador Sanchez, and Alexis Arguello. But in hindsight, I loved all of the big 4 (Leonard, Hagler, Duran, Hearns). What an era. I was a better boxer than a wrestler. Cael, as a wrestler, along with the Moore brothers played a big part in rekindling my love for wrestling.
Every team in the country wishes they had "chokers" like Bo on the team. The guy is pure entertainment and a great example of how a person should aspire to wrestle. Nothing that happens in any one match will ever make me think he should change his style. You win some/you lose some. These guys are amazing to watch (Bo,Nolf,Zain, Mark,NN,NS, and Cenzo), but they are not ever going to be perfect. The injury to NS probably ended up costing the BIG team title, but I still think NCAA is a different animal. Enjoy watching these guys and count the blessings as you may not always have this much talent to enjoy. 7 absolute studs on one team at the same time doesn't happen very often gentlemen, and I'm afraid expectations have risen to the ridiculous level where any chink in the armor is met with unwarranted attacks against the wrestlers effort or style. I sure wish on my very best day I could have been anywhere close to Bo's level on his very worst.
And contrary to the beliefs of some, Myles Martin is an exceptional talent. It should not be surprising that on any given day he can beat anyone at 184.
I think there is only one guy on here who doesn't think Martin is an exceptional talent.
He types a lot.
I'm amen-ing James P not Blue whatever who appears to be unable to recognize virtue.
This says a lot.
Bo chased and stepped into Martin the entire match.
One other consideration. Martin wrestled a very good match. He had a plan, he maintained his focus, his conditioning is vastly improved, he is a national champion and last night he wrestled a better match.
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Seems to me MyMar has a specific training cycle... this is two years straight he's looked very vulnerable during the regular season, only to turn it on in the post-season. He's good. Very good. He's a returning national champion. Did i mention he's very good? There's no shame or need to be overly critical of a loss to MyMar. Bo didnt wrestle well and got beat. Unlike last year, he now has a chance to redeem himself over the next two weeks. My money is on Bo next go-around... but i wouldnt be surprised with a similar outcome.
It doesn't matter how many times Bo beats Martin in a dual. If Martin keeps beating Bo when it matters the most (and the last two times it has mattered the most) then those duals are meaningless. The consequences of beating him last year was an NCAA title and this year it's likely the B1G team title.
Bo can be the dual champ and he can own Martin in duals, but I'll bet Martin will gladly take the meaningful wins every time.
Yes, it did. It's looking like it's going to be the reason OSU wins the B1G team title if OSU wins it. This was a huge win for Martin. On the big stage Martin is 2-1 against Bo.
This, of course, jumps to the broad and erroneous conclusion that a home dual in front of the largest crowd in tosu history is meaningless. All matches are very meaningful to these top wrestlers. Bo is a huge weapon for PSU every time he takes the mat. Weapons when fired do not hit the mark 100% of the time, but I wouldn't trade weapons with tosu in this specific situation.
Bruce you bring up a good point, Martin was in on Bo several times in the dual and didn't finish. Some resulted in takedowns for Bo that day as well.
Our true nature comes out when there is adversity. Heaven knows that is true on this device. If we need to affiliate that much, be a UCONN women's basketball fan. You can always say how great you are. No one cares more than the athlete themselves, no one.
Nobody is suggesting anyone should trade weapons with OSU. However, after the NCAA finals last year the consensus was that the finals were an anomaly. For a year we've talked about how Martin could not repeat it and that Bo would not make the same mistake again. We've pointed to how Martin has only beaten Bo once, and it was was a fluke.
Well, it turns out that it wasn't a fluke. Martin beat him the same way last night, with an upper body tie. Bo has not had to wrestle from behind a single time this season and when that happened last night it changed the match. It was obvious that Myles game planned very specifically for that match while Bo did not. You could hear his coaches yell at him to finish cleanly, which he did on his second TD.
You can talk about how important a dual meet at OSU is, and the size of the crowd, and all of that all you want, but the reality is that it's still just a dual meet. Bo is 4-2 against Martin, and when it comes time to win a title (B1G or NCAA) Bo is still only 2-1 against him. And the last two times Bo has wrestled Myles on a big stage (Conference championship and NCAA) Martin has beaten him.
The NCAA finals was not a fluke. Last night was not a fluke. Bo is a fantastic wrestler, but he is often times careless and over confident. While other wrestlers are game planning for him he doesn't appear to be preparing like they do. I love that Bo has the ability to turn any scramble into a fall. I think it's entertaining that he often times baits guys into taking shots on him. Those are fun for us and I'm sure fun for Bo.
What we saw last night was a focused Myles Martin who prepared for Bo while Bo went out and winged it, and didn't look like he gave any consideration to the fact that Martin would come prepared.
Bo can beat Martin, but if he continues to go upper body with him he's going to lose. If he doesn't take him serious he's going to lose. Bo had better prepare specifically for him. There are few things more frustrating than a guy who didn't learn his lesson the first time.
Actually, I think it's the reverse -- Martin beating Brooks is preferable. Here's why: he still has 7 losses.
IMO if Brooks wins, seeds will be 1 Dean, 2-3 Bo and Brooks, 4 Boyd, 5 Zavatsky, 6 Martin.
Maybe the seeding committee would flip Zavatsky and Martin, but Zavatsky has only 2 losses (1 to Dean) and beat Martin this year.
If Martin wins, seeds will be 1 Dean, 2 Bo, 3 Boyd, 4 Zavatsky, 5 Martin, 6 Brooks.
Few in life can keep an even keel in the face of adversity. I bet if you talk to Cael this morning you'd struggle to figure out if his team was in first or last if points and placements were not mentioned. That's a real gift in my opinion. I think the most successful people in life whether it be in business or any other venture has the gift. It helps to keep things in perspective but most importantly it helps you to keep your mind clear to figure out how to improve your situation.
Martin was not "aggressive" at any point in the match - that's utter nonsense. He continually goes backward forcing Nickal to pursue him to attempt to engage offensively which is supposed to be an ILLEGAL TECHNIQUE FROM NEUTRAL under the actual rules of wrestling (and Martin would get dinged for it repeatedly in Free - to the point he would probably be DQ'ed out if he persisted in wrestling this way in International tournaments).
Martin's "technique" in neutral is not "aggressive" nor would anyone describe it that way. The Mullet's approach is "aggressive" from neutral and Martin will undoubtedly adopt his "counter-only" illegal style from neutral forcing Brooks to "carry" all of the "lower body" attacks (otherwise the wrestlers will just dance around the mat with Martin taking an occasional break from his back-pedaling to engage in a head-tie of some sort, which he will break-off by going backward again -- IOW, the scenario that played out when Bo wrestled him @daO$U and refused to simply chase him all over the mat.....and won the boring match 9-3 or whatever. BTW, in Free it is also illegal to engage in a tie and then "flee the tie" as Martin did repeatedly during his and Bo's match earlier this year.),
Will be interesting to see how the officials call the 184 lb. final because the way Martin wrestles from Neutral against other top "aggressive" wrestlers is complete bull$hit - he goes backwards routinely, forcing his opponent to "chase" so he can choose when to counter, and he also ROUTINELY flees tie-ups and holds via backing up in an attempt to force his opponent to chase forward getting their momentum always moving towards him such that he can choose when to counter (i.e., he is never sustaining 50% of the action moving forward - and to suggest he is, is ridiculous. His bull$hit does not float in Free and never will -- it is "gimmicky" bull$hit "Folk" wrestling that is only allowed because the officials enable it.).
Again, will be interesting to see how the final is called because if Martin runs into a good official, he is going to lose. Ryan's whining and crying in the match was also disgraceful - the match took almost 15 minutes to complete because of Ryan's bull$hit antics including challenging Bo's first TD which was beyond UNQUESTIONABLY a takedown!
I hate Tom Ryan - there needs to be a penalty instilled for bullshit challenges like in freestyle. Martin will continue to wrestle like he does if refs let him get away with it. Bo needs to change up his tactics. This is not to suggest that Martin is a very good and dangerous wrestler - his tactics are very smart against Bo.
As much as I'm hoping Bo wins it all, I just lost most hope if/when he goes up against Dean. Before then, he still needs some damn good wresting to finish 3rd.
As much as I'm hoping Bo wins it all, I just lost most hope if/when he goes up against Dean. Before then, he still needs some damn good wresting to finish 3rd.
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