Nobody talking about Jason Kelce?
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So--whatever makes them happy is great but why would Swift of all people fake a relationship for this length of time?
Attacking pro athletes is very stupid. Dick Hoak beat up a fan in a Pittsbugh bar. Verbal assault is not free speech. It would have been better if Kelsey had ignored him, but by he got far less than he could have. They have both may been drunk. This fan dodged a bullet.
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Question for lawyers. Is verbal assault protected as free speech? This was a stupid response by Kelsey.
Yes. Unless you threaten someone. The kid deserved what he got morally. Legally, Kelce destroyed his property illegally. I’ve read that the incident is ‘under investigation’ by the police. I am willing to bet Kelce is making a donation to keep the kid from pressing charges.
He could buy the kid a new phone but then it would be open season on celebrities by everyone who wants an upgrade
That is just replaced the phone. It would be like a guy promising to give the money back after robbing a bank and getting caught. There is a criminal element here that needs to be overcome. My guess is we are talking low six figures as Mr Kelce and the networks want this to go away for PR purposes. In the old days, we called these road-rages.
"Verbal assault" is not a thing, much like "hate speech" is not a thing. Or perhaps you could say that those are things, but things manufactured by people that are advocating to do away with free speech without coming right out and saying "We should do away with free speech."
Here is something I've never heard anyone say and likely never will hear anyone say "People shouldn't be allowed to say certain things. But I shouldn't be the one to decide what those things are, and instead someone with views different than me should be the one to decide."
We are at a time when many powerful people and institutions in our country are against free expression and it's scary.
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In my town and time, a quick punch in the mouth would be considered justified retribution.
Actually yes and no. In this case the fan could be charged with Disorderly Conduct calling Kelsey a “******” as any use of obscene language in public warrants that charge. Kelsey in turn could be charged with Criminal Mischief. Working in law enforcement for 30 years and with cell videos and body cams these day, that’s exactly what I would charge them with. Now the charges would probably be reduced to a citation and Kelsey would have to pay restitution for the phone. I had a punk come up to me in full uniform and call me a ****ing pig thinking it’s funny until they get cuffed and charged with disorderly conduct. The kid was dumbfounded I arrested him and thought he had the right to free speech. So no you cannot just walk around in public calling people ******s or saying **** you or even screaming, that’s disorderly conduct.
What state are you in? That's been ligitated in Pennsylvania for years. Stupid but not a crime here
Thanks for that. I'd only add that a "disorderly conduct" charge is far less problematic than "Criminal Mischief". In Ohio, that is a felony. In Ohio, the penalty for Disorderly Conduct is a misdemeanor and typically a fine in the $150 to $500 range. This is especially true if the phone is a nice one worth over $500. The penalty goes up based on the value of the damaged item.
And then we have the PR to consider. While I could easily withstand a Criminal Mischief charge, Kelce would end up with some really bad PR. So he'll pay to have this quietly go away. I'll also add that most cases involved the discretion of the officer/prosecutor because nobody cares outside of the two parties involved. In this case, nationwide media showed it and it went viral on social media. There is a little more pressure on the officials both in Kelsi's damaging of the phone as well as disgust for the thug who was yelling at him. In any case, Kelce is going to have to grow some skin and understand that he is in a new league now
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Yes in PA. Disorderly conduct has been a pretty common charge when two people are cursing and yelling at each other in public, but don’t actually physically fight. The day of a cop separating two parties fighting and telling them to go home is long gone. Too much liability for police departments. I’m not sure what you mean that it’s been litigated in PA. I’ve seen so many people found guilty of DC for simply yelling and cursing at someone in public.
Kelce is getting more positive PR from this incident than anything else. As he should.
I don't agree at all. You don't apologize on national TV is the PR is good. Never apologize for good PR.
I teach high school and all too often adults need to put up with aggressive insults from 16-18 year old "children" who know exactly what they are doing. The "kids" also know that we are somewhat neutered- and that real "consequences" are likely limited to a 40 minute lunch detention that doesn't show up on your transcript- so they push boundaries.
Kelce is now in a prison of his own making....being a "man of the people" will now limit his freedom to be amongst the people. This incident will only bring copy cats...looking for Social Media Fame or a pay off.
Is it right? Of course not. But this digital age coupled with a soft Covid pampered generation of young people who think that playing video games makes you an "athlete" is toxic.
As a Philly area resident I get an even bigger dose of the Kelces than the rest of the country. He is seemingly a great guy- very much aligned with the traditional "Philly mindset", but sometimes too much of a good thing is simply overload. I'm saturated.
In school over the past 10 years or so I've noticed that kids are "braver" in person but also "sneakier" in terms of posting their real opinions online via their "Fake Instagram" or "Finsta" accounts- many of which would've resulted in them swallowing their teeth 40 years ago.
John Mellencamp referenced this dynamic in his song Cherry Bomb:
"One night me with my big mouth,
A couple guys had to put me in my place,
When I see those guys these days,
We just laugh and say do you remember when?"
That camera phone "victim" may need to face consequences for his actions somewhere down the line. Kelce is already "guilty" in the court of public opinion, and will likely pay a financial, and legal price too.
But that kid needs to get his ass kicked by someone to learn a lesson too- about how his "free speech" can- and in the old days would- carry repercussions that would cause one to pause before shooting one's mouth off. In my youth I learned that lesson the hard way.
Today's youth are so, so, so soft. If the kid just lets the guy walk to his tailgate- which is as much his "right" as the big mouthed kids "speech"- this story doesn't exist.
Kelce can no longer have it both ways either. The whole thing doesn't help PSU in any way. America has much bigger fish to fry....time to move on.
well stated. Two thoughts came to mind reading your post.
First, there isn't always one person "right" and the other person "wrong". Psychologists will tell you to first look at yourself, and what did you do to contribute to the problem, when evaluating life's "disturbances". Clearly, the punk was wrong. No question. That doesn't make Kelce right. it makes him not as wrong, IMHO.
Second, a mentor of mine was sued by a woman. She claimed that my mentor groped her at a bar. He was married and owned the majority of a software company that was worth over $100m. he had just won a local award for citizen of the year with donations and volunteer work. He was married with three kids. The woman's case against him collapsed when a witness noted that the woman grabbed his hand and placed it on her breast. He and several co-workers went out and had a few too many after work. They all got a little drunk and started getting goofy. A discussion about sex led to her placing his hand on her breast. He didn't grope her. Later, I learned he settled out of court for under $100k. The next time we were together, I asked him why he settled. "Dude, you know you just set yourself up for being a target?" His response was short and sweet, "Obliviax, I was innocent in the court of law however, I was guilty in the court of public opinion".
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