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Who is going to go down first and who is going to beat them? Who do you wish would go down first?

I think it will be Clark, just coming back off of injury, wrestling Kaid Brock this weekend. I wish it would be Gilman next weekend. But, he can always be the second first to go down.
 
IMAR/Logan Massa coming up on the 20th is a real possibility I think.
During the Iowa match Massa looked good but seemed to gas in the 3rd. Not sure if that was a out of the norm for him or not given I haven't had the chance to see him wrestle a lot but someone like IMAR will put up a lot of points against him in the 3rd if he has that issue against him
 
133- Clark has hardly wrestled. Missed tough matches with Gross plus Midlands
174- BoJo has hardly wrestled. Missed Vegas which would have been a challenge.
285- Snyder hasn't wrestled much either. Skipped Wisky dual.

Add that to the fact that Zain and Nolf haven't seen squat except berger, and Gilman has only seen 2 tough guys, and we have what we have.

Dean,Cox,Heil, and somewhat Nolf and Gilman are really the only ones who have had an opportunity to lose. Iowa at OSU, and home against PSU and tOSU coupled with the other duals during this stretch should see somebody go down.
 
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133- Clark has hardly wrestled. Missed tough matches with Gross plus Midlands
174- BoJo has hardly wrestled. Missed Vegas which would have been a challenge.
285- Snyder hasn't wrestled much either. Skipped Wisky dual.

Add that to the fact that Zain and Nolf haven't seen squat except berger, and Gilman has only seen 2 tough guys, and we have what we have.

Dean,Cox,Heil, and somewhat Nolf and Gilman are really the only ones who have had an opportunity to lose. Iowa at OSU, and home against PSU and tOSU coupled with the other duals during this stretch should see somebody go down.
Who has somewhat of a chance of beating Nolf?
 
133- Clark has hardly wrestled. Missed tough matches with Gross plus Midlands
174- BoJo has hardly wrestled. Missed Vegas which would have been a challenge.
285- Snyder hasn't wrestled much either. Skipped Wisky dual.

Add that to the fact that Zain and Nolf haven't seen squat except berger, and Gilman has only seen 2 tough guys, and we have what we have.

Dean,Cox,Heil, and somewhat Nolf and Gilman are really the only ones who have had an opportunity to lose. Iowa at OSU, and home against PSU and tOSU coupled with the other duals during this stretch should see somebody go down.

I picked clark to go down this weekend, so I stick by that.

To me heil is one "regular" scramble from losing every time he takes the mat. To me he is the human gyro #2(K russell is #1 for me).
Cox had another bad match this weekend winning 3-1 I believe. Not saying he will lose, just that he has been uninspiring.
What do we know about BoJo this season? I think any number of guys could take him out, if he is thinking about things other than wrestling.

IMAR and gilman could lose, just dont think they will. Dean, ZPain, Nolf and Snyder I think are on another level right now.
 
133- Clark has hardly wrestled. Missed tough matches with Gross plus Midlands
174- BoJo has hardly wrestled. Missed Vegas which would have been a challenge.
285- Snyder hasn't wrestled much either. Skipped Wisky dual.

Add that to the fact that Zain and Nolf haven't seen squat except berger, and Gilman has only seen 2 tough guys, and we have what we have.

Dean,Cox,Heil, and somewhat Nolf and Gilman are really the only ones who have had an opportunity to lose. Iowa at OSU, and home against PSU and tOSU coupled with the other duals during this stretch should see somebody go down.

Gilman -- he's 16-0, but the only top-10 ranked guy he's faced is Tim Lambert (Nebraska). He got quite a challenge from Josh Terao (American) at Midlands, and defeated him 8-6. He'll face Piccininni (Ok. St.) this weekend, and Suriano next weekend. In February he'll face Lizak (Minny) and Lambert again. That's pretty much it until B1Gs, unless he has a tough matchup in the National Duals (could face Dance if VT finishes 2nd among non-B1Gs, and Iowa finishes 2nd in B1G).

Clark - he's 9-0, and did miss some potentially challenging matches while he was out. I believe the only top-10 guys he's faced was Micic (Mich.) this past weekend, and he narrowly defeated him 2-0. He's slated to face Kaid Brock (Ok. St.) this weekend, and hopefully Jered Cortez next weekend. At the end of the month he'll face NaTo (tOSU), and then Montoya (Nebraska) in February.

Heil - he's 14-0 on the season. I believe Joey Ward (UNC) is the only top-10 guy he's faced this year, and like most Heil matches he won narrowly, 3-1. He also defeated Tommy Thorn (Minny) at the Scuffle, 2-1. The only top-10 guys remaining on his schedule are Eierman (Mizzou) in late January and Meredith (Wyoming) in February

Zain - he's 11-0, and has yet to face a top-10 guy (probably why SHP dropped him to 4th at 149 in the latest Dual Impact Index). He'll face Sorensen (Iowa) in 2 weeks, and Micah Jordan (tOSU) in early Feb, and that's pretty much it. If PSU and Ok St. finish 1st in the B1G and amongst non-B1G teams he might get to face Collica in the National Duals.

Nolf - He's 11-0. He's defeated Tyler Berger (Neb) and Jake Short (Minny) from the top 10. He'll face Kemerer (Iowa) in 2 weeks, and that's about it for elite guys on the schedule. (Perhaps he'll face JoJo Smith in the National Duals)

IMar - he's 14-0. In the top 10, he's downed Daniel Lewis (Mizzou), 7-4, Chad Welsh (Rider), 10-6, and Anthony Valencia (ASU), 10-1. He'll face Logan Massa (Mich.) later this month, as well as Anthony Valencia again. In Feb. he'll face Vincenzo Joseph.

BoJo - he's 8-0, and 5 of them were in an Open to get some competition. Zac Brunson (Illini), who he's slated to face this weekend, is the only top 10 guy on his schedule.

Dean - he's 16-0. The only top-10 guys that he's defeated were both at the Scuffle -- Nolan Boyd (Ok. St.), 14-6, and Zack Zavatsky (VT), 19-4. There is no ranked wrestlers in his remaining schedule.

Cox - he's 15-0. He's got 3 victories over top-10 wrestlers so far -- 6-4 over Brett Pfarr (Minny) at the Scuffle, 2-0 over Jared Haught (VT) in a dual, and 6-5 over Kollin Moore (tOSU) in a dual. His only remaining match of note is against Preston Weigel (Ok. St.) later this month.

Snyder - he's 4-0. His only top-10 competition so far was against Sasquatch (ASU), who he defated 20-8. You never know when he'll wrestle for tOSU, but he could face Stoll (Iowa) later this month, and Nevills and Kroells (Minny) in February.
 
I know this would be a hell of a lot more impressive if we were at the scuffle but PSU has 5 undefeated wrestlers in the starting lineup...Suriano, Retherford, Nolf, Bo, Nevills....What team has the most undefeated starters in their lineup? correct me if I am wrong, Iowa has 4 that I can think of Gilman, Clark, Kemerer, stoll? Ohio state/osu have to be close also? The fact we were not tested at a big tourney over the break is disappointing and an advantage but 5 undefeated guys at this point is still impressive.
 
I know this would be a hell of a lot more impressive if we were at the scuffle but PSU has 5 undefeated wrestlers in the starting lineup...Suriano, Retherford, Nolf, Bo, Nevills....What team has the most undefeated starters in their lineup? correct me if I am wrong, Iowa has 4 that I can think of Gilman, Clark, Kemerer, stoll? Ohio state/osu have to be close also? The fact we were not tested at a big tourney over the break is disappointing and an advantage but 5 undefeated guys at this point is still impressive.
Stoll lost to Tanner Hall at Midlands
 
I know this would be a hell of a lot more impressive if we were at the scuffle but PSU has 5 undefeated wrestlers in the starting lineup...Suriano, Retherford, Nolf, Bo, Nevills....What team has the most undefeated starters in their lineup? correct me if I am wrong, Iowa has 4 that I can think of Gilman, Clark, Kemerer, stoll? Ohio state/osu have to be close also? The fact we were not tested at a big tourney over the break is disappointing and an advantage but 5 undefeated guys at this point is still impressive.
Add Sorensen to the list but subtract Stoll (lost 2-1 to Hall at Midlands) giving Iowa 4 total. Also, Brooks lost to Jackson from Indiana at Midlands but avenged this loss in the 3rd place match.
 
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I know this would be a hell of a lot more impressive if we were at the scuffle but PSU has 5 undefeated wrestlers in the starting lineup...Suriano, Retherford, Nolf, Bo, Nevills....What team has the most undefeated starters in their lineup? correct me if I am wrong, Iowa has 4 that I can think of Gilman, Clark, Kemerer, stoll? Ohio state/osu have to be close also? The fact we were not tested at a big tourney over the break is disappointing and an advantage but 5 undefeated guys at this point is still impressive.
tOSU: 4
OSU: 3
 
I know this would be a hell of a lot more impressive if we were at the scuffle but PSU has 5 undefeated wrestlers in the starting lineup...Suriano, Retherford, Nolf, Bo, Nevills....What team has the most undefeated starters in their lineup? correct me if I am wrong, Iowa has 4 that I can think of Gilman, Clark, Kemerer, stoll? Ohio state/osu have to be close also? The fact we were not tested at a big tourney over the break is disappointing and an advantage but 5 undefeated guys at this point is still impressive.
Currently undefeated B10 starters by team:
PSU: Suriano, Zain, Nolf, Nickal, Nevills
Iowa: Gilman, Clark, Sorenson, Kemerer
Tan U: Tomasello, Micah, BoJo, Snyder
Illin': Martinez
Meatchicken: Massa
Nebby: Montoya
Wisky: Medbery
Maryland: Goodwin
Rutgers: Lewis (1-0 overall)
 
Add Sorensen to the list but subtract Stoll (lost 2-1 to Hall at Midlands) giving Iowa 4 total. Also, Brooks lost to Jackson from Indiana at Midlands but avenged this loss in the 3rd place match.
oops, Thanks for the correction.I forgot about the stoll loss and have no clue how I forgot about Sorrensen.
 
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i saw that match. I think Stoll gets him if they meet again. Stoll has looked very good considering the long recovery and lack of competing.
He's looked good, IMO. Already pretty much back to where he was before the injury last year, which isn't bad considering it's only been 8-9 months since surgery.
 
I have my black and gold glasses on and Heil looks vulnerable.
Have to agree, though he always looks that way, and won a NC winning close matches. One has to wonder if it will ever catch up with him.

Last year, Heil's last 12 matches were decisions, and among them was his only loss of the year, to Joey Ward in SV. Champs are normally higher scoring than that. A loss along the way, including at NCAA's, wouldn't surprise me or the folks I talk wrestling with...but an undefeated season and another NC wouldn't either.
 
Have to agree, though he always looks that way, and won a NC winning close matches. One has to wonder if it will ever catch up with him.

Last year, Heil's last 12 matches were decisions, and among them was his only loss of the year, to Joey Ward in SV. Champs are normally higher scoring than that. A loss along the way, including at NCAA's, wouldn't surprise me or the folks I talk wrestling with...but an undefeated season and another NC wouldn't either.
Add Tsirtsis to the list of wrestlers who scored minimal points en route to a NC. He did it as a freshman but hasn't been able to repeat the feat (yet).

I would bet the field against Heil. Eventually it has to catch up to him, right?
 
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Add Tsirtsis to the list of wrestlers who scored minimal points en route to a NC. He did it as a freshman but hasn't been able to repeat the feat (yet).

I would bet the field against Heil. Eventually it has to catch up to him, right?
Chris Perry, Jason Tsirtsis, Kellen Russel, Tony Nelson. All those guys took losses here and there. I would expect Heil to take a couple losses eventually.
 
133- Clark has hardly wrestled. Missed tough matches with Gross plus Midlands
174- BoJo has hardly wrestled. Missed Vegas which would have been a challenge.
285- Snyder hasn't wrestled much either. Skipped Wisky dual.

Add that to the fact that Zain and Nolf haven't seen squat except berger, and Gilman has only seen 2 tough guys, and we have what we have.

Dean,Cox,Heil, and somewhat Nolf and Gilman are really the only ones who have had an opportunity to lose. Iowa at OSU, and home against PSU and tOSU coupled with the other duals during this stretch should see somebody go down.
These #1 guys skipping matches and not even hurt is BS....They should NOT get seeded #1 in Big Tens....
 
During the Iowa match Massa looked good but seemed to gas in the 3rd. Not sure if that was a out of the norm for him or not given I haven't had the chance to see him wrestle a lot but someone like IMAR will put up a lot of points against him in the 3rd if he has that issue against him

Like Big brother perhaps?
 
Dean - he's 16-0. The only top-10 guys that he's defeated were both at the Scuffle -- Nolan Boyd (Ok. St.), 14-6, and Zack Zavatsky (VT), 19-4. There is no ranked wrestlers in his remaining schedule.

He beat Boyd and Zavatsky at Vegas. Beat Boyd again at the Scuffle. He's pinned top 20 guys Gravina, Ellingwood, and Gamble.
 
These #1 guys skipping matches and not even hurt is BS....They should NOT get seeded #1 in Big Tens....

But what if they win all of their Big Ten matches? I agree though...Nolf and Zain shouldn't have skipped Reno. Nolf straight up ducked Colgan from Wyoming and Zain would have had a close with Mendenhall from Wyoming as well. Definitely shouldn't get their #1 seeds.
 
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He beat Boyd and Zavatsky at Vegas. Beat Boyd again at the Scuffle. He's pinned top 20 guys Gravina, Ellingwood, and Gamble.

For the purposes of what I wrote about each #1, I only focused on their results and their upcoming matches against top-10 ranked wrestlers. You can make comments for most/all of them regarding their results against 11-20 guys, but that's not relevant to the info that I provided..

As for Dean, we both got the locations wrong. He defeated Zavatsky at CKLV. He defeated Boyd in a dual @ Stillwater, and then again at the Scuffle.
 
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Seeing as Clark hasn't missed a Big Ten dual, it's safe to say he should be excluded from the list.

Cory was injured. He didn't skip anything. BOJO- I'm not sure about him as he very well could have been banged up. Snyder not getting seeded would only hurt the poor sap that had to wrestle him earlier in the bracket than expected.
 
But what if they win all of their Big Ten matches? I agree though...Nolf and Zain shouldn't have skipped Reno. Nolf straight up ducked Colgan from Wyoming and Zain would have had a close with Mendenhall from Wyoming as well. Definitely shouldn't get their #1 seeds.
If it ain't in caps, your full court pressed response can not be taken seriously.;)
 
Currently undefeated B10 starters by team:
PSU: Suriano, Zain, Nolf, Nickal, Nevills
Iowa: Gilman, Clark, Sorenson, Kemerer
Tan U: Tomasello, Micah, BoJo, Snyder
Illin': Martinez
Meatchicken: Massa
Nebby: Montoya
Wisky: Medbery
Maryland: Goodwin
Rutgers: Lewis (1-0 overall)
 
I picked clark to go down this weekend, so I stick by that.

To me heil is one "regular" scramble from losing every time he takes the mat. To me he is the human gyro #2(K russell is #1 for me).
Cox had another bad match this weekend winning 3-1 I believe. Not saying he will lose, just that he has been uninspiring.
What do we know about BoJo this season? I think any number of guys could take him out, if he is thinking about things other than wrestling.

IMAR and gilman could lose, just dont think they will. Dean, ZPain, Nolf and Snyder I think are on another level right now.

Tom Ryan SHOULD BAN WIVES & CHILDREN!
 
133- Clark has hardly wrestled. Missed tough matches with Gross plus Midlands
174- BoJo has hardly wrestled. Missed Vegas which would have been a challenge.
285- Snyder hasn't wrestled much either. Skipped Wisky dual.

Add that to the fact that Zain and Nolf haven't seen squat except berger, and Gilman has only seen 2 tough guys, and we have what we have.

Dean,Cox,Heil, and somewhat Nolf and Gilman are really the only ones who have had an opportunity to lose. Iowa at OSU, and home against PSU and tOSU coupled with the other duals during this stretch should see somebody go down.

I'm selfishly hoping that Clark beats Brock, so that Cortez gets a chance to be the first guy to knock him off.
 
Lots of chatter about 141, 174, 197 but my biggest concern for the team is whether Cortez is going to be healthy. It's been well over a month now since he got hurt in a way that isn't obvious from rewatching the Lehigh match. Cael keeps saying he is day to day but as the days go by, I'm wondering what's up. No one else is going to qualify us at 133.
 
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I'm selfishly hoping that Clark beats Brock, so that Cortez gets a chance to be the first guy to knock him off.

Didn't work out to your selfish hope.

Who is going to go down first and who is going to beat them? Who do you wish would go down first?

I think it will be Clark, just coming back off of injury, wrestling Kaid Brock this weekend. I wish it would be Gilman next weekend. But, he can always be the second first to go down.

Appears that your prediction in the initial post in the thread was accurate.
 
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