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Who says had he not made the move he wouldn't have been more successful or he wouldn't be even more successful had he waited to make the money with a better scenario? You continue, despite your claims, to speak in absolutes.

And the statement is false that you said. Not saying you lied but if you didn't then Ryan's dad did when he spoke with you.
Or Ryan is saying something different now than he did back then. And I said he wouldn’t have made the money he’s making now had he stayed in the same place…and I know that because he worked at the company I work for. Only you see what I post as absolutes….that wasn’t an absolute, it was in relation to a specific position.
 
Or Ryan is saying something different now than he did back then. And I said he wouldn’t have made the money he’s making now had he stayed in the same place…and I know that because he worked at the company I work for. Only you see what I post as absolutes….that wasn’t an absolute, it was in relation to a specific position.
Or Ryan and dad didn't want to go for different reasons and Dad sold his version to people ignoring what Ryan actually thought which sadly happens often.

You realize "not making the move" doesn't mean staying at the job he was in forever, right? You said "And things working out later absolutely solidifies the decision. He got everything he wanted and more and he wouldn’t have that if he hadn’t made the decision." this is not a fact. He could have made a thousand other decisions which include staying and moving later and been better off today.
 
Or Ryan and dad didn't want to go for different reasons and Dad sold his version to people ignoring what Ryan actually thought which sadly happens often.

You realize "not making the move" doesn't mean staying at the job he was in forever, right? You said "And things working out later absolutely solidifies the decision. He got everything he wanted and more and he wouldn’t have that if he hadn’t made the decision." this is not a fact. He could have made a thousand other decisions which include staying and moving later and been better off today.
That wasn’t the decision…his wife wanted to move right then….his choice was to move or stay at his current job….that was the only decision at that time. Had he stayed, he would have stayed at that company because there aren’t a whole lot of other places to work in that area. As far as Switzer goes, unless you were friends with him and hung out with him in high school, you have no idea what he was thinking or saying at that time.
 
On one of the ND boards most are very happy, but some are less than impressed. Getting PSU to the tourney with a single win isn't quite thrilling to some Domers...

I think Shrew is a much more qualified hire than Freeman was for football- and after he takes some of our better returning players and recruits they will have a base to build upon with their NIL "Diaper Dandies."

The comparison to James Franklin is a good one. It sucks to get big timed...and Micah will say all of the right things...but in the end there isn't anything that is positive for PSU from this development except that people see we can get them to the next level. The A&M game and March run were great. Maybe too great.

Money may have been close, but the intangibles were not our friend. I also picture him putting it to a family vote...and that being a major influence too. 7 years gets his son through ND and his other kids stability that many in his profession simply do not have- all driveable from his folks who were at Mackey when we played at Purdue. I would have left too.

The new ways are hard to accept- hopefully Mr. Kraft sees what can be...and doesn't screw the pooch. My quick take on the list from Erial (most of whom I had to research to better understand):

I'd watched Colgate a few times and like Langel w/ his Jersey/Philly roots. Just not sure he is as well rounded as Micah, nor has the top program pedigree/NBA experience. Penn career may impress kids who can be admitted to Colgate...can it recruit Big Ten players?

The Drake guy seems like a total Midwest dude...didn't strike me as a Wow. Creighton is solid. He could be ok and a lifer if successful here.

FAU coach May has an upbeat coaching philisophy and personal style...Midwest roots and looks the part. Reminds me of the current USC coach from FGCU (Pat's new school). I think he will have other options. If his players joined him it could be an interesting contrast to most Big 10 styles. In my opinion it would be more of a short term gimmick than path to success.

Woj is very intriguing. Fire. Duke pedigree. Kind of washed out at Marquette. Something to prove. East Coast roots with Midwest recruiting experience. If we hadn't hired our women's coach from Marquette I might be more happy...afraid of a jinx. Reminds me of Pikiel from Rutgers. Coached and played at highest levels. Has he learned from Marquette?

The Charleston coach is also intriguing. Has a lot of experience leading programs that gave been successful and to NCAA. Weird thing at UMass where he signed a contract w a buyout clause, and then resigned 25 minutes before his press conference. Odd. Cincinnati guy who played at Xavier.

McNamara jumped out at me initually, but if he wasn't even considered for the Cuse job then I'm not sure he is a top option (yet). Would like to see him run a program.
Ditto Washington. Interesting that Saddi has a daughter who is a gymnast at Pitt.

Rhoades from VCU could be our best long term choice. PA guy/roots, Played for Pat Flannery at LVC. Dlll player of the year + championships. Winner. Probably affordable.

Not amped for Jones or Becker. The guy Becker replaced at UVM left for GW...not a Power 5 job. The Sam Cassel idea isn't bad- kind of a Penny Hardaway without any ties to PSU. I'd pass on him at this time.

My ranked order is:

1-May
2-Rhoades
3-Woj
4-Langel
5- Kelsey
6- DeVries
7- Washington/McNamara

Ok w any of top 3 but it will be a rebuild.

Lando is correct that this feels Bill O'Brien-like. Both are seemingly good men and strong coaches. They "fit" our version of ourselves and overperformed versus expectations. Two short years is not what we are used to. So be it.

Not what I was hoping for but understand.

Next up....here we go again.
Spin- kind of like going out to a club after getting dumped and truying to console oneself that there are "more fish 8n the sea."

There are of course, but this chapter will most likely just be added to the bizarre history of our snake bitten program.

Shrews kid will go, Imes is from Indiana and probably would love ND, Kebba prepped in Indiana and bought into Shrew, not PSU.

Maybe Brown/lilkey stay. Mahaffey and Kanye would be foolish not to at leat look into portal.

Seth definitely gone now...NBA or top tier program that needs his skill set (ND?)

Total blow up forthcoming....like Fairfax, I enjoyed March, but was more excited for the future.
 
Spin- kind of like going out to a club after getting dumped and truying to console oneself that there are "more fish 8n the sea."

There are of course, but this chapter will most likely just be added to the bizarre history of our snake bitten program.

Shrews kid will go, Imes is from Indiana and probably would love ND, Kebba prepped in Indiana and bought into Shrew, not PSU.

Maybe Brown/lilkey stay. Mahaffey and Kanye would be foolish not to at leat look into portal.

Seth definitely gone now...NBA or top tier program that needs his skill set (ND?)

Total blow up forthcoming....like Fairfax, I enjoyed March, but was more excited for the future.

All of that makes me very upset, except the part about his own kid going. Was never quite sure on that one when I saw the offer list.
 
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Disappointed in Micah. PSU took a chance on him and then he bolts. Loyalty just doesn't seem to be in vogue anymore. I guess his son goes with him as a package deal along with his assistants? I wonder about Cory Booth? Kraft better have some good coaches in mind to make a hire quickly to try to keep Booth and perhaps bring in the portal center from St. Francis. This stinks!
Get a coach quickly who has credibility; drum up a boatload of NIL for Booth then pray he is not locked at the hip with Shrewsberry and open to still playing for PSU.
 
so was it smart for both the PSU president and the AD to go to the wrestling tournament on the night PSU was playing in the NCAA basketball tournament vs Texas? How hard would it have been for them to split up? No matter how you look at it, that sent the wrong message to Shrewsberry.
 
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Maybe ND overpaid and they’re the ones making the mistake. I love Coach Shrew and would have loved for him to stay, but he did only have one good season and that was very much in jeopardy just a few weeks ago. One more loss along the way and we likely were in the NIT and wouldn’t be having this discussion. Two more losses and we likely weren’t even in the NIT.
What ifs. What if the MD bungled rebound does not drop in Wynter's lap? What if NW beats us once? Shrews is our coach and we are putting him on notice to make the NCAA tourney or else. Instead ND is groveling all over him. I agree that if we doubled his salary and he still walks then he had made up his mind and we were not giving him $28 million (7 years at $4 mil per). What has he accomplished? Great finish to the season and he was building a strong program but the sample size was quite small.

We just need to move on and target the best coach possible both in terms of X and Os and fit. I for one want a guy who preaches defense and toughness but also likes the 3 pt shooters. We need a ying to the B10 yang and a roster that can win in March and in the Dance.

Finally, we gotta find a way to keep Carey Booth. Show him the NIL money and move fast getting a great coach.
 
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so was it smart for both the PSU president and the AD to go to the wrestling tournament on the night PSU was playing in the NCAA basketball tournament vs Texas? How hard would it have been for them to split up? No matter how you look at it, that sent the wrong message to Shrewsberry.
I doubt that mattered much. I think he was leaning hard if not ready to bolt to Notre Dump prior to the Dance.
 
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so was it smart for both the PSU president and the AD to go to the wrestling tournament on the night PSU was playing in the NCAA basketball tournament vs Texas? How hard would it have been for them to split up? No matter how you look at it, that sent the wrong message to Shrewsberry.
I’m quite confident that the impact of this would be absolutely zero…playing home games in a half empty arena while on the way to the NCAA tournament might have gotten his attention though.
 
I’m quite confident that the impact of this would be absolutely zero…playing home games in a half empty arena while on the way to the NCAA tournament might have gotten his attention though.
To be fair, they did not seem on the way to the NCAA tournament after a February losing streak and blowing a 20-pt lead vs Rutgers. Can't make this season more than it was. Going into the B1G tournament we were hoping for a play-in game. He made a career off of that week.
 
To be fair, they did not seem on the way to the NCAA tournament after a February losing streak and blowing a 20-pt lead vs Rutgers. Can't make this season more than it was. Going into the B1G tournament we were hoping for a play-in game. He made a career of of that week.
The fact that we were on the bubble and playing in front of black curtains speaks volumes…very few schools at our level would have had 4-5k empty seats for senior day against Maryland with an NCAA bid hanging in the balance.
 
The fact that we were on the bubble and playing in front of black curtains speaks volumes…very few schools at our level would have had 4-5k empty seats for senior day against Maryland with an NCAA bid hanging in the balance.
It tells me that our arena has 4k too many seats. This has been going on forever. I have been to concerts there where they do the same thing with the curtains.
 
You can if you pay the coach and meet all their demands
We just aren't on par with ND basketball despite insane claims here the past few weeks.
Yes, Notre Dame sucks and finished near last in a horrible ACC…hopefully that continues.
 
That is just an excuse for continued longterm neglect of our bball program. Here was an opportunity to create some stability and consistency and we shit our pants… again. Our AD utterly failed here.
Shrews was going regardless of what PS offered.
 
I doubt that mattered much. I think he was leaning hard if not ready to bolt to Notre Dump prior to the Dance.
When looking back at his comments this is likely the case..." I just love coaching these guys now, don't want this to end." He probably knew. It is interesting that he didn't do any interviews during the process that I've seen. He probably didn't want to lie...which doesn't seem part of his DNA.

Another interesting tidbit is that he has routinely credited the players who gave him a chance and stayed at PSU for his success. He even gave John Harrar credit after a big W this month. How awkward will it be if/when he raids our program? James brought along his recruits...including Trace...so I know we have benefitted in similar ways.

This all just feels like a big AAU tournament now with Sonny Vaccaro types running around The Peach Jam in Atlanta playing God and tinkering with teams/kids for $ and the old "shoe deals." Remember the quotes "XYZ player will only go to a Nike school?" At least now it is straight up coaches/playing time/NIL cash with the ability to boogie and be eligible almost immediately.

I guess we should just get used to having more Mikey Henn's wearimg blue and white. 5 schools in 5 years...and ironically we "beat out" ND to get him.

Credit Shrew for finding/growing Jalen....our best player in forever. The poster who looked at the What Ifs is spot on too. None of this happening was more probable than the reality of the chain of events that lead to Shrew having an incredible opportunity.

Time for us to get to work, ruin some other program by taking their coach and top players... it is part of the NCAAs "Brave New World."

I'm over it. : )
 
Seems a lot of the guys want Coach Fisher to step up and be the next head coach. I find that very interesting. Could he be a guy that keeps the freshman class here and retains booth?
 
Seems a lot of the guys want Coach Fisher to step up and be the next head coach. I find that very interesting. Could he be a guy that keeps the freshman class here and retains booth?
I thought about him when looking at the possibilities. Maybe with an old school mentor assistant like Phil Martelli at Michigan for Howard?

On another note- do we teally think NIL will be the ket for Booth? Some PSU loyalty re dad, but this is not a hardship case.

His old man is an NBA talent evaluator...I'm sure it will be more about the coach/development than the school.....which makes it feel unl8kely that it stays us (in my opinion).

Maybe he stays with Adam...
 
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What ifs. What if the MD bungled rebound does not drop in Wynter's lap? What if NW beats us once? Shrews is our coach and we are putting him on notice to make the NCAA tourney or else. Instead ND is groveling all over him. I agree that if we doubled his salary and he still walks then he had made up his mind and we were not giving him $28 million (7 years at $4 mil per). What has he accomplished? Great finish to the season and he was building a strong program but the sample size was quite small.

We just need to move on and target the best coach possible both in terms of X and Os and fit. I for one want a guy who preaches defense and toughness but also likes the 3 pt shooters. We need a ying to the B10 yang and a roster that can win in March and in the Dance.

Finally, we gotta find a way to keep Carey Booth. Show him the NIL money and move fast getting a great coach.
You say he was building a strong program…that’s what we don’t know. Would we have been good next year or would we have been terrible? Hard to say, but we weren’t exactly loaded for bear.
 
It is all about NIL and securing talent.

Penn State priorities for NIL $$
1,2,3 Football
4. Wrestling
5,6,7,8 Hockey, Basketball, Men's and
Women's Volleyball

Notre Dame
1,2,3 Football
4,5. Mens and Women's Basketball
6,7,8 Hockey, others
 
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Seeing this list im confident Kraft will be able to find someone decent and hopefully retain Booth and add some transfers. I like Langel and Fisher for the local PA ties, which should help PSU's cause if they ever have tournament success.
Kraft fired Fran Dunphy who was Langel's college coach and who hired him as an assistant at Temple. PSU also famously snubbed Dunphy so they could hire someone from the Southern Conference. I think the chances of getting Langel to come here are a negative number
 
Kraft fired Fran Dunphy who was Langel's college coach and who hired him as an assistant at Temple. PSU also famously snubbed Dunphy so they could hire someone from the Southern Conference. I think the chances of getting Langel to come here are a negative number
Maybe "famous" in your mind...I didn't see Fran as some superior candidate in 2003, and he certainly wasn't a hot commodity (he spent another three seasons at Penn before moving on). He was basically the John Becker of 2003.
 
Maybe "famous" in your mind...I didn't see Fran as some superior candidate in 2003, and he certainly wasn't a hot commodity (he spent another three seasons at Penn before moving on). He was basically the John Becker of 2003.
No, there was not huge excitement about Dunphy in '03 but then look what we got. it made a heck of a lot more sense in terms of recruiting territory, etc.
 
Seeing this list im confident Kraft will be able to find someone decent and hopefully retain Booth and add some transfers. I like Langel and Fisher for the local PA ties, which should help PSU's cause if they ever have tournament success.
Yeah this is a good list. We need a coach who preaches defense but is 3pt shooting friendly and who can attract 3pt shooters.
 
When looking back at his comments this is likely the case..." I just love coaching these guys now, don't want this to end." He probably knew. It is interesting that he didn't do any interviews during the process that I've seen. He probably didn't want to lie...which doesn't seem part of his DNA.

Another interesting tidbit is that he has routinely credited the players who gave him a chance and stayed at PSU for his success. He even gave John Harrar credit after a big W this month. How awkward will it be if/when he raids our program? James brought along his recruits...including Trace...so I know we have benefitted in similar ways.

This all just feels like a big AAU tournament now with Sonny Vaccaro types running around The Peach Jam in Atlanta playing God and tinkering with teams/kids for $ and the old "shoe deals." Remember the quotes "XYZ player will only go to a Nike school?" At least now it is straight up coaches/playing time/NIL cash with the ability to boogie and be eligible almost immediately.

I guess we should just get used to having more Mikey Henn's wearimg blue and white. 5 schools in 5 years...and ironically we "beat out" ND to get him.

Credit Shrew for finding/growing Jalen....our best player in forever. The poster who looked at the What Ifs is spot on too. None of this happening was more probable than the reality of the chain of events that lead to Shrew having an incredible opportunity.

Time for us to get to work, ruin some other program by taking their coach and top players... it is part of the NCAAs "Brave New World."

I'm over it. : )
I was upset but you are right, time to move on and be pat of the current process - raid other schools for coaches and players. Hopefully PSU can get a coach who is ready to make a real 4 yr commitment and be able to retain the 4 Freshman and keep Cory Booth committed. A bonus would be getting the St. Francis Center and th Cal Baptist PG to come to PSU. Dream big my friends, dream big.
 
I was upset but you are right, time to move on and be pat of the current process - raid other schools for coaches and players. Hopefully PSU can get a coach who is ready to make a real 4 yr commitment and be able to retain the 4 Freshman and keep Cory Booth committed. A bonus would be getting the St. Francis Center and th Cal Baptist PG to come to PSU. Dream big my friends, dream big.
I've been debating with myself all day who the "winners" were under the Shrew seasons.

1) Jalen Pickett
2) Possibly Seth Lundy
3) Maybe Adam Fischer if he either stays or goes w Micah
4) Likely other Assistants will get a raise to follow
5) Us fans won by being able to watch competitive, creative basketball, being able to picture a future of March games that matter

In the end there will be lots of "losers."

1) PSU program will turtle up and hit re-start with someone who is unproven at the Big 10 level
2) Some of our current players/recruits will now get to fulfill their "lifelong dream" of playing for ND
3) ND is taking a risk...7 years and a lot of coin. Not sure yet if I'm rooting for or against him.
4) Any player who doesn't get the ticket yo ND, who also doesn't fit at PSU will get washed out.
5) Us fans who go back into the Rinse Cycle again

What a difference a week makes. Celebrating a return to relevance and an inspriring NCAA win/ to looking at a situation likely worse than Chambers departure.

The bottom line is that the ONLY winner was Micah. It was a fun fling...but he has moved to Greener pastures (literally and figuratively). PSU and us were used...which is the way things go in the modern game.

In the end we may have been better off not hiring him (like every other Dl program before ND). Hindsight is 20/20.

I'm over it (again!) : )
 
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