Obrien to BC

[LandoComando]

Doesn't make it right or acceptable

It does. Every kid should be aware of it. If not, that falls on the parents. Coaches are always doing what's best for them. Even Joe.

 

[LandoComando]

To an extent, agreed. But the situation PSU was in during 2012-2013 was completely different and unprecedented. Worst case, the program was on the cusp of completely disappearing into mediocrity, and some positive momentum and stability were much more important than in your average season. I don't fault OB for his NFL ambitions but walking away from promises made to the PSU players was a bad look given the situation we were in. I will forever have mixed feelings about OB as a result.

And that's fine. You can but if he was telling kids he wouldn't be there where would the program be and how would be achieved his goals? This is the reason the portal is good. When coaches leave kids should be allowed to as well. Other aspects made it get out of hand.

 

[bvillebaron]

Doesn't make it right or acceptable

Yeah you can’t claim that the University “misled” you and then try to excuse that conduct unless of course you are Lando.

 

[LandoComando]

Yeah you can’t claim that the University “misled” you and then try to excuse that conduct unless of course you are Lando.

What are you talking about?
I'm not mad at the University for misleading him just like I'm not mad at him for misleading recruits. Simply acknowledging what happened.

 

[bvillebaron]

All coaches say that. If they didn't no one would commit. People still believe Penn State should run the program a certain way and that's why the tolerate mediocrity. Not understanding O'Brien's point is absolutely terrifying. The school did not tell O'Brien they were going to sign away everything to be punished.

What does some people’s belief about how the program should be run have anything to do with how the program is ACTUALLY run. Maybe you think the AD and coaches consult with the posters on here about how the program should be run. As I said before, O’Brien knew two things when he took the job: (1) he was replacing a legend and (2) sanctions were looming. Instead of complaining about those who were defending Joe from the raw deal he got, O’Brien should have shut his mouth and tried to improve the football program. Ripping Paterno loyalists and using them as his “excuse” for leaving after 2 years and embracing the administration’s time to move on from Paterno was not a recipe for success. If he thought he was “betrayed” or “misled” by the University over its response to the sanctions, he could have quit. But everyone with a functioning brain knows why he didn’t—PSU was his stepping stone to the NFL.

 

[bvillebaron]

We were close to getting the death penalty. Someone saved us, I forget who but there was an article about that.

If anyone on the BOT and administration had a spine, they would have told Emmert and the NCAA when that threat was made during negotiations to knock themselves out and we will see you in court since you have no authority to do so which Emmert admitted when he announced the sanctions and was confirmed when it reduced the sanctions after being sued. Of course the BOT and administration was only too eager to accept the sanctions and blame Joe for their abject failures.

 

[LandoComando]

What does some people’s belief about how the program should be run have anything to do with how the program is ACTUALLY run. Maybe you think the AD and coaches consult with the posters on here about how the program should be run. As I said before, O’Brien knew two things when he took the job: (1) he was replacing a legend and (2) sanctions were looming. Instead of complaining about those who were defending Joe from the raw deal he got, O’Brien should have shut his mouth and tried to improve the football program. Ripping Paterno loyalists and using them as his “excuse” for leaving after 2 years and embracing the administration’s time to move on from Paterno was not a recipe for success. If he thought he was “betrayed” or “misled” by the University over its response to the sanctions, he could have quit. But everyone with a functioning brain knows why he didn’t—PSU was his stepping stone to the NFL.

Why do you dicaltate what issues he can have with the fan base and program? His concern were and remain valid all these years later.
He did "quit" as soon as he found something as good or better.
You judging O'Brien based on his feeling about how the fans reacted is illogical and emotion driven. It's honestly pathetic. He was right. It was time to move on but people can't accept that. And the reason it matters is it allows the University to keep Franklin while being mediocre.

 

[LandoComando]

If anyone on the BOT and administration had a spine, they would have told Emmert and the NCAA when that threat was made during negotiations to knock themselves out and we will see you in court since you have no authority to do so which Emmert admitted when he announced the sanctions and was confirmed when it reduced the sanctions after being sued. Of course the BOT and administration was only too eager to accept the sanctions and blame Joe for their abject failures.

We actually agree on most of this until you had to make it about Joe again

 

[heckmans]

It does. Every kid should be aware of it. If not, that falls on the parents. Coaches are always doing what's best for them. Even Joe.

Remind me to never trust you on anything you say

 

[LandoComando]

Remind me to never trust you on anything you say

You shouldn't trust anyone

 

[RCS-PSU70]

This could be the perfect job for coach Bob. Boston has the best medical help for his son. It is great opportunity to use this coaching skills to help young men.

It is nice that he doesn't have to move and yes, it is better for his son. But BOB just wanted to coach football, He didn't enjoy recruiting, fund raising and all the administrative BS that a HC at a major university has to do. So that's why I am surprised to see him go back into a HC job in college.

 

[voltz99]

It is nice that he doesn't have to move and yes, it is better for his son. But BOB just wanted to coach football, He didn't enjoy recruiting, fund raising and all the administrative BS that a HC at a major university has to do. So that's why I am surprised to see him go back into a HC job in college.

Until he moves again and it wont be good for his son.

If bob lies to his players and his employers then what makes you think he is telling you the truth about anything?