"Offensive" strategy discussion
- Thread starter GogglesPaizano
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Ok. I guess we have different opinions on "riding too long". I don't mind watching 2 minutes over the course of a match provided turns are at least attempted, not just busy work.
Seems like too many guys just accumulate several minutes of riding time without making a real attempt at a turn. I'm all for whatever rule stops that. Whether it be getting rid of riding time point, aggressive calling of stalling on top, etc.
How about the extra matches? They don't count anyway. Some of the smaller opens might be a good place as well, provided they're well run.
How about getting rid of the escape point if on the restart the top man agrees to go neutral. There is clear intent, and no pending escape.
No one has ever seen him do one in practice.
Just doggin ya Nash, how ya been? You got anything worth bettin on this year?
We agree -- I'm OK with watching riding with legitimate intent to turn, even if it doesn't result in swipes. Riding for the sake of riding, not so much.
Incentives matter. That's all.
My friend, I'll definitely be betting with you fellas come B10s and NCAAs. I think Kerk now has Cass' number but I'll still be betting for Big Tony and pretty much any other competitive Hawk vs Lion matches, not that we have as many as in past years, but who knows what things will look like come March. Your young guns are looking really good right now.
BTW, life is good! Glad we're finally in the meat of the wrestling tournament, only wish we we're more competitive. This year sadly the only fight will be for 2nd place.
Yeah, mom sure brought herself into the limelight. I'm sure Drake didn't appreciate either end of that...neither the match nor the FB post by mom.
Yeah, in this case, I think it would have to be something that's only a half-solution to avoid the judgment/ambiguity, like when the top man chooses the free release on a restart, it's not a point, but that doesn't help someone trying to catch and release quickly without riding the guy out of bound.
I think we can all agree, a new start gives the bottom wrestler a fresh chance that is often rewarded with an escape.
It frustrates me when one of our guys is pounding on a kid who is doing nothing and rather than issue a stall warning the ref issues a restart. Essentially a gift to the bottom wrestler, especially in an even match.
However, I have a bias and a certain mind set when watching this, as our guys are usually the top wrestler. Maybe just maybe this is where multiple problems are solved. If like free, when the top guy isn't aggressively working for a turn the action is stopped within say 30 seconds (i.e. admittedly longer than free) and restarted.
This would make obtaining riding time more difficult, generate more escapes and neutral game, but most importantly make working for back points the imperative for the top rider.
Whatever the solution, I do like the concept of preserving and rewarding riding time, and do not want to lose the oppotunity to enjoy the demonstration of skill and domination that somone like Zain brought to the table.
It frustrates me when one of our guys is pounding on a kid who is doing nothing and rather than issue a stall warning the ref issues a restart. Essentially a gift to the bottom wrestler, especially in an even match.
However, I have a bias and a certain mind set when watching this, as our guys are usually the top wrestler. Maybe just maybe this is where multiple problems are solved. If like free, when the top guy isn't aggressively working for a turn the action is stopped within say 30 seconds (i.e. admittedly longer than free) and restarted.
This would make obtaining riding time more difficult, generate more escapes and neutral game, but most importantly make working for back points the imperative for the top rider.
Whatever the solution, I do like the concept of preserving and rewarding riding time, and do not want to lose the oppotunity to enjoy the demonstration of skill and domination that somone like Zain brought to the table.
What about the idea that after 30 seconds of riding the match is stopped and you are put back in neutral with no escape point given similar to freestyle. If you get a turn in that 30 second period then the 30 sec clock restarts. This gives incentive to turn and also helps eliminate the problem of escape points being given for not really doing anything. Riding time is still included and guys that get multiple tds and are good on top should still get that point regularly. Top stalling is somewhat limited with the 30 seconds and ideally it creates more action on the mat and we get more neutral wrestling.
I understand where you are going, but that brings folk too close to freestyle for my taste.
I'd have a fall and a tech fall both be worth 6 points. If your dominance stops a match early you should get max points plus it will take the incentive for a guy to just not get pinned away.
