Official Graham Spanier trial thread.
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I'm convinced now more than ever that McQ and his camp added on to the story he originally told Paterno, Curley, and Schultz...and "refreshed" Paterno prior to his GJ testimony.
“The conclusions she had drawn in her (Chambers) report were pretty damaging,” Lauro said. “I would have made a different decision. ... It’s unbelievable, and it gets my blood pressure going when I think about it.”
http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2012/03/penn_state.html
I think the opposite may be true. From Dottie, to the kids they adopted (sans Matt), the people closest to Jerry are the ones who believe in Jerry's innocence to this day.
If he's the monster he's made out to be, I think he was on his best behavior (in his mind) around people who could mess up his system or curtail his access to new victims. That includes the people at PSU, which is why I don't think he overtly abused anybody in the facilities. Grooming? Yes! And grooming is CSA. But engaging in an actual sex act? No.
I also haven't ruled out the possibility that he's getting royally screwed over.
So I learned today that I've been correct about everything I have believed for years.
1) MM told no one, especially JVP, that he witnessed something sexual.
2) C/S/S did they best they could with the limited information they had. There was definitely no coverup.
3) The charges against C/S/S are a farce.
Not sure how mike can have any credibility when every single person he talked to without exception, essentially says horseplay.
1) MM told no one, especially JVP, that he witnessed something sexual.
2) C/S/S did they best they could with the limited information they had. There was definitely no coverup.
3) The charges against C/S/S are a farce.
Not sure how mike can have any credibility when every single person he talked to without exception, essentially says horseplay.
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Everything about you moves slowly including your mind.
http://www.pennlive.com/news/2017/03/spanier_said_everything_was_ha.html#incart_river_home
Here's Pennlive's take on Schultz's testimony. I have a lot of questions based on this.
1. They didn't ask Schultz if MM stated it was sexual? Why would they ask Curley (who said no), but not Schultz?
2. Schultz felt it should have been reported to DPW, yet he agreed to the plan that included not reporting it to DPW.
3. Schultz told Spanier it was horseplay.
4. Schultz never met with Paterno, but says the horseplay / horsing around terminology was used by Paterno. Pennlive even quotes him "Yes," Schultz replied. "That's what Joe Paterno told us, that (Sandusky) was horsing around." Told "us," as in more than one person? But you already said you didn't meet with Paterno, Gary. WTF?
Here's Pennlive's take on Schultz's testimony. I have a lot of questions based on this.
1. They didn't ask Schultz if MM stated it was sexual? Why would they ask Curley (who said no), but not Schultz?
2. Schultz felt it should have been reported to DPW, yet he agreed to the plan that included not reporting it to DPW.
3. Schultz told Spanier it was horseplay.
4. Schultz never met with Paterno, but says the horseplay / horsing around terminology was used by Paterno. Pennlive even quotes him "Yes," Schultz replied. "That's what Joe Paterno told us, that (Sandusky) was horsing around." Told "us," as in more than one person? But you already said you didn't meet with Paterno, Gary. WTF?
I'm still waiting for the Zigbirds like francofan to tell me again why they were so desperate to hear TC & GaryS get on the stand to somehow clear Jerry.
I'm not sure how this trial goes but it doesn't seem likely that they have helped Jerry's PCRA.
I'm sure Zigbird will have a youtube soon which explains how everything thats up is down and vice versa, but at the end of the day, none of CSS seems to be offerring up anything that would clear Ol Jer.
I'm not sure how this trial goes but it doesn't seem likely that they have helped Jerry's PCRA.
I'm sure Zigbird will have a youtube soon which explains how everything thats up is down and vice versa, but at the end of the day, none of CSS seems to be offerring up anything that would clear Ol Jer.
For what its worth, I don't believe some of the more sordid tales of Sandusky abuse. It is hard to imagine, however, that anyone could do a better job of framing him than he did to himself.....if he is innocent.
Thanks. Pretty sure it was me. @ChiTownLion would know for sure but it was a long time ago. Here's one from 2013 but all the 2012 tweets are gone I think. Anyone have an earlier claim?
I don't know how your first point can be proven true or false. McQueary says he told Curley and Schultz it was sexual. He admits he didn't say that to Paterno. Then you have Dranov saying Mike didn't see anything, only heard sounds. Paterno testifies to "something of a sexual nature" while also saying "I don't know what you'd call it." Curley definitively says Mike didn't say it was sexual and from what I've seen so far, Schultz wasn't asked exactly what McQueary said to him.
Based on all of that, what McQueary reported in 2001 is inconclusive as far as I'm concerned. And for me, inconclusive isn't enough to hold anyone else accountable for their actions or inactions.
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Matt Sandusky was a legal adult when he was adopted. So in a way, he adopted the Sanduskys, not the other way around.
It shows that preventable incidents happened AFTER the 2001 showering incident. They are trying to make the point that if Curley/Schultz/Spanier had made the report to CYS, then this incident never would have happened.
Regardless of the how this trial ends, the OAG should hold a press conference and make a statement to the effect that there was no intent of cover-up of Sandusky's crimes on the part of Joe Paterno or the three Penn State administrators. This will never happen, of course. If anything they will continue to espouse the narrative.
Blaming the victim rarely works. Crossing him risks alienating the jury.
That's what the Prosecution is trying, but the Defense can counter it.
If DPW had done their job in 1998, 2001 never would have happened.
If TSM had implemented a safety plan in 2008 during the investigation, V
9 and another one would never have happened.
It's basically irrelevant.
Yes he didn't see Chambers report. But he may have been told the results of Seasocks.
Of course, the same could have been accomplished if about 6+ others in this ordeal did the same, especially the ones that ran TSM.
I don't see the term earwitness in this one and it's from 2016 so you must be making a different point on the OP?
Don't sell Deadspin short. They were one of the few outlets that ran with the story that over $600k was donated to Corbett's campaign from TSM-related people.
So this board was inundated for days before the trial with promises of "new" and yet to be revealed evidence that would justify The Commonwealth's prosecution. What we got was a big wet cow turd. Absolutely surreal that the OAG could parade Jack Raykovitz as their star witness! LOL.
The first trick is not to base anything on what Pennlive says.. They have multiple errors, as per usual. I'll wait for transcripts or a more reliable source.
You have to consider the sources of those promises (aka a bunch of dopes). You'll also notice those dopes have all but disappeared, as predicted.
I don't want to read pennlies is there an unbiased summary avail?
Agreed, I want the transcripts. But I have no idea how long we'll have to wait for them, maybe they won't be available until the trail is done. In the meantime I'm looking for sources on what happened so I can form an educated opinion as to the verdict. Unfortunately that PennLive article is the only recap of Schultz's testimony I've found so far.
I'm skeptical of everything but a transcript.
That's all public info. They just took the time to do it.
Hmmmmm I knew I heard the sliding in the shower story before. Isn't that interesting it was from Meyers YEARS later but GS said the same thing to counsel just two days later
It appears that Zig has been pushing a conspiracy while at the same time claiming to abhor conspiracies. Maybe Glenn Beck will have him back on to set us all straight.
Interesting take for sure. Not really accurate unless you were saying Joe knew for sure. I know I wasn't saying that 2-3 weeks ago but it is clear as day he knew Jerry was investigated before. As did everyone involved at PSU. Does that mean GS guilty of leading this charge? Not really thus far. If anything the two below him jacked this up.
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