Official Graham Spanier trial thread.
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Seriously. The mods allow this, but don't tread into the area of politics or it's off to the test board you go.
I agree. You should wait for the transcripts. I know I look forward to their being published. Even though I was there, re-reading will be beneficial to me as well.
My impressions - regardless of the outcome (and I'd say it's 50/50 right now on any conviction on any count) - I do believe the transcripts will help shed light on the truth. And for me, personally, that's all I've ever wanted.
My impressions - regardless of the outcome (and I'd say it's 50/50 right now on any conviction on any count) - I do believe the transcripts will help shed light on the truth. And for me, personally, that's all I've ever wanted.
So Tim Curley reported to Jack Raykovitz that Second Mile kids could not longer use PSU facilities with Sandusky. The result....."someone" handed the keys to a local hotel fitness center to JS. HMMM.....and Tim Curley was prosecuted. Only in the wacky world of The Commonwealth.
Zig does make a great point though, how can the OAG point out PSU made no effort to find V2 when the OAG still hasn't found him all of these years later?
JS had to use his new swim trunks somewhere.
And OJ was searching for Nicole's killer.
You will torture the transcripts to fit the narrative in your head. Then you will be off to the MSU Board to do more good on the Nassar case, right?
I have a different take on 98. All the kings horses and men poked around JS. He walked away without a hand being laid on him. I don't see why 01 was not more of the same.
The OAG knows as well as JR.....the folks at TSM knew who Jerry was seeing 1 on 1 etc.
I've read this repeatedly here, but do we have factual evidence about Heim giving hotel access to Jerry anywhere that I can read? Thanks.
Thanks for the update. Have you booked your flight yet for Dr. Nassar's hearing on May 12th?
He was delivering a pizza to one of the dorms...that's the only reason he would have been on campus.
The truth is already out there already, clearly GS should walk out of their a free man. What the jury decides doesn't change the truth one way or the other.
Maybe then the focus can shift to those that actually failed the victims.
From what I have read, the case against Spanier is INCREDIBLY weak. If Barry is right and all it ends up taking is an emotional "victim", who couldn't remember within several years when he was abused, to convict him, then Spanier never had a prayer.
I don't know who made the arrangements.....but I have read that Jerry was able to use the fitness center at The Hilton Garden Inn. There may be others that can verify this and make the connection to who the owners were at the time.
In The Commonwealth, I am skeptical even of their transcripts.
What "sham 501(c)" are you and your "genius CPA" husband
planning on opening next?And it says a lot about the OAG to stoop to such tactics.
Yep I am waiting to see if they scrubbed the Mike was told the GJP was being leaked.
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Really? So after the prosecutor presents their case and before the defense presents theirs, you think it's 50/50? Doesn't seem like the prosecution's case was very compelling!!!!!
Thanks. It's hard to read in that photo due to small text, but it appears to be testimony from the front office manager of a hotel stating he was instructed to give Sandusky the key to the fitness center so he could bring 2nd Mile kids around. Does it state who instructed him to do so?
So you don't error on the side of caution in their position. Not too smart regardless. The second time you hear something it almost has to at least raise an eyebrow and it did. They had the right discussions but made the wrong final choice.
I can at least admit I was wrong. Some here would rather bite their tongue off I guess. Mistakes were made all over and that goes way beyond just PSU.
I don't like putting myself in the place of others. Especially Tim Curley....who I know to be bright and principled. I believe he did what he thought was right. We can all win as we look in the rear view mirror. We have a former president somewhere, who thought Sandusky was a national treasure.
Been waiting since the Peliminary Hearing - - - for evidence to support the charges.
Still waiting
That said - who knows what a jury decides
More "interesting" to me:!
The GSpan defense counsel has gone through this entire Pros case - - - and might as well have been out at the creek fishing
I agree that juries are frightening. But based on the evidence presented.....it is as we thought. These men never should have been charged.
You're welcome. The testimony in the pic was from Mandy Musser at the JS trial on 6/12/12. Unfortunately I don't think they were ever asked who it was the instructed her to provide access. How convenient!
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It does. Unfortunately PSU paid an enormous price for their "mistakes" and many of the more culpable (in my opinion) walked away scott free. Some may have even even made money from their "mistakes".
It's why witch hunts are failures. It's all about CYA.
Let's be honest, some here will be skeptical of a transcript as well if it doesn't fit their narrative. Just look at how people here don't accept Paterno's GJ transcript.
What it it makes me question is if Paterno downplayed the incident on purpose and wasn't truthful. He calls it horseplay, MM said it was sexual, CSS goes with Paterno. Paterno then lies to the GJ. It certainly seems plausible.
Absolutely...mistakes made all around. Though that fact doesn't make any of the mistakes criminal in nature. Even after they plead guilty, C/S testified they believed they were doing the right thing.
Yes because Paterno had such a history of lying. Good lord.
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