You still here gmj? Haven't you been humiliated enough??
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You still here gmj? Haven't you been humiliated enough??
Prosecution has rested so the tidbits you predicted Schultz would tie together against Spanier didn't happen. Not only didn't they happen, but both Schultz and Curley fell on the hand grenade and threw themselves under the bus. Appreciate your response and not hiding though. Respect that.
You lost - just stop - Tim specifically said he himself made the decision not to report
End of story
Drops Mike !
It's not a competition, it's about finding the truth, right? So the truth is that this whole case hinges on what Paterno told TC. What did he tell him? Did he lie in his GJ testimony and screw everyone over, or is TC lying? If you aren't willing to dig into that question, then you will forever have your head in the sand.
I'd give up he clearly has an anti-Paterno agenda. Not objective at all. It's time for ignore!
I read if TC does get jail time, it would be house arrest. Does that include his Marriot timeshare if he invests in one or perhaps the soft side of Ranger's new bed?
Just trying to bring a little levity.
I see Spanier getting off on Conspiracy but the same sentence as GS and TC for Endangerment. Hoping for off on both.
Just trying to bring a little levity.
I see Spanier getting off on Conspiracy but the same sentence as GS and TC for Endangerment. Hoping for off on both.
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It's not anti-Paterno, it's pro-truth. Do you want the truth or not? How could you gloss over this point of contention if you do??
Nothing hinges on what Joe told Tim - NOT A DAMN THING DOES
The truth is that Tim made the decision
It has NOTHING to do with Paterno
Okay, so Joe knew about an investigation in 1998 and it's not possible that he had no recollection of it by 2011/12? If your experience doesn't allow for that possibility consider yourself fortunate.
As was discussed many times Paterno said he didn't know what to call it. And it's very likely neither of them were lying. Good day to you.
Yes it does. How can Tim make an informed decision if Paterno lied to him??
getmyjive is going off the deep end now. Sad when the mind goes.
No recollection of his DC being investigated for showering with a boy? Come on now... that isn't exactly run of the mill stuff. I would believe that he may not remember details... that is reasonable. But not remembering the incident all all? ......
Me??? please stop you're embarrassing yourself
The states case was very very weak today - their case was about GS
Nothing whatsoever hinges on Joe
Your line of reasoning isn't congruent at all
I'll say this - I've listened and debated respectfully with you, STD and Elvis, et al because I always keep an open mind and try to learn....but....after today it's obvious you had nothing and your agenda is clear
Right. It seems like today was a good day for the Paterno lawsuit -- it doesn't sound like anyone used the "blame the dead guy" strategy to throw Paterno under the bus and Curley admitting that the decision was his own to pursue the course of action they took undermines the whole "Paterno was the mastermind" Freeh conspiracy theory.
And as has been discussed, many people see that as him saying that he knew it was sexual in nature but he just didn't know exactly what it was.
What??! ...again please stop!
You're seriously trying to tie this all back to Joe ? After what we heard today?
Please just stop
By talking to McQ. Like he did.
I'm not talking about the GS, I'm talking about the truth as to what happened. I said long ago, and reiterated it right before C&S plead guilty that I thought none of them should have been charged due to the poor laws at the time. It would not surprise me at all if GS gets off. But if you care about PSU, GS means nothing at this point. C&S already said they failed, so that narrative is set in stone and isn't changing. If you are actually looking for the truth, you cannot just ignore Paterno lying about 1998. You cannot ignore the contradiction between his GJ testimony and what TC testified that Paterno told him in 2001.
In reality, you aren't looking for the truth, you are looking to get Paterno's name cleared.
Who said Paterno was told that "his DC was being investigated for showering with a boy"? I must have missed when someone actually said that they told Paterno that specific information.
Then why would he reference Joe in his email the way that he did? Clearly, Joe himself had an effect on Tim's decision.
Re: Curley's memory and lack of recall - he probably said he couldn't recall 15(?) times...but the one thing he absolutely remembered? He said he absolutely remembered that he told Raykovitz about the 1998 incident when he met with him in 2001. But couldn't remember much else. Just an FYI
We don't know what Paterno was told exactly, but he was clearly very concerned (per the emails) and TC said that he was informed. If you want to pretend that he wasn't told much information about it, you go ahead. I find that highly unlikely.
He remembered making the decision of going with the alternate plan that totally blows up the Freeh Report. He also said that MM never mentioned anything sexual.
Honestly, the more I read about this trial, the more furious I am that that lying sack of shit walked away from this with $12 million. He got paid for either leaving a defenseless boy in harm's way or lying about what he told whom (depending on which version of the story you believe). And yet his word is deemed more trustworthy than a man who spent a LONG lifetime doing things the right way?
Give me a fvcking break!!!
And what effect was that, bookkeeper? Not uncommon for me to decide to wear a blue tie on a given day, then change to a red one after discussing it with my wife.
I'm on an iPad mini so I won't type too much.....lucky for you!
That is complete and utter BullSh!t
The TRUTH is this
Joe did exactly what he should have, with the information he was given, in his role, at that time......PERIOD
Not to toot my own horn - well actually maybe I will toot it a little - in my profession, among other responsibilities, I serve as the Director over Human Resources AND the Privacy Officer AND the Compliance Officer of a child welfare non-profit - in my role I had to rewrite all of our CPSL policies and procedures BECAUSE of this situation - I SAW PSUs updated policies -
I've probably made that statement above 50 times over the past five years about Joe doing the right thing
But I was always cautious to state that if other info came about I could change my mind
And like I said in another post I've listened to you and your buddies strut around like peacocks last week
But..... The prosecution has rested and guess what? Joe did exactly what he should have, with the information he was given, in his role, at that time!
There is nothing else to say - he handled it correctly
Look, every single person in this has a mind of his own, including Curley, who happened to be one of 3 people who took responsibility for his own decisions. (Ahem, Raykovitz.). No matter who it wants it to be so, Joe Paterno was not responsible for anyone's actions or decisions other than his own.
Which actually should have created a bigger spotlight on TSM/JR
Your IQ is very low or you're a punk... Or some combination of both.
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