No they didn't. Curley and Schultz (who were collegiate administrators with no formal training in child abuse prevention) plead guilty to endangering the welfare of a single alleged victim that the OAG has yet to identify. It's irresponsible to blame them for any other alleged victim of Sandusky. A mob mentality will never, never fix this problem.
Official Graham Spanier trial thread.
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No they didn't. Curley and Schultz (who were collegiate administrators with no formal training in child abuse prevention) plead guilty to endangering the welfare of a single alleged victim that the OAG has yet to identify. It's irresponsible to blame them for any other alleged victim of Sandusky. A mob mentality will never, never fix this problem.
The Commonwealth of Pa. bringing "show trials" to the western world.
We don't yet have all of the facts. I anticipate Curley will be called to the witness stand and will be asked to explain this, and other quotes, from the emails we do know about:
"After giving it more thought and talking it over with Joe yesterday, I am uncomfortable with what we agreed were the next steps. I am having trouble with going to everyone, but the person involved"
Let's see how this week plays out and perhaps then discuss who is culpable and who is not after I return from Harrisburg. You are more than welcomed to join me.
and the OAG admitted they committed no crime in 2001
But I'm sure that the victim is known to "God" and certain "victim advocates."
You would if you joined at a date prior to today. I have yet to see her ONCE try to draw any attention to the failures of TSM officials, DPW, CYS, and the OAG (has oversight of no profit charities). She want to ONLY focus on the PSU admins as opposed to looking into the root cause of it all (TSM/CYS failures). Hmmmm
Paging @colt21..(who is an actual expert on this subject unlike Roxine)..Regardless of what C/S/S did or did not do, it is a FACT that Joe did exactly as he should have done in 2001 and even by current NCAA policy and current PA state law he did exactly what he should have.
So 5 full years later you're now going to take a "wait and see" approach. That's very big of you.
And thank you for the offer, but I have to decline. Please take the time to say hello to @wensilver for me.
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if Roxine refuses to chat with Wendy on twitter, it just further proves what a fraud she is
I would think she'll be on the witness list. She was on Amendola's list in 2012 but was never called.
Why does anyone have to draw attention to anything or anyone when discussing this? Many people want to know what role psu played in this scandal and this next week or so should clarify that .
Seems many here just want to point the finger at other people and don't want the truth about penn state's involvement.
The trial is the important part, not some victim advocate and her opinion.
sorry - haven't had time to write on this lately
yes he did what he was supposed to do - just like everything I need to add context
based on the information we have, he did exactly what he should have, in HIS role, at THAT time, with the INFORMATION THAT WAS GIVEN TO HIM
In today's world
* the NCAA validated his actions
* with the CPSL law changes, he would NOT have even been involved in the situation - MM would have been REQUIRED to go directly to Childline or he would be in a whole heap of trouble - which I personally think is very telling
Why don't you list what C/S were not found guilty of? I've plead guilty to a traffic ticket that I not only was innocent of, I had rock solid proof of my innocence, and a state trooper to willing to go to court with me. In the end it wasn't worth my time off work to get out of paying the $107 ticket with no points. Of course, they know this and that is why they give out BS charges.
I've only ever seen the victims come out against the punishment of PSU. Since many were PSU fans, punishing the football team only punished them further. Considering so few victims were actually abused on PSU property, wouldn't their attention be directed elsewhere, say to those directly responsible for EVERY victim such as Jerry himself, the second mile, the DPW or CYS? Which victims specifically that testified at his trial are you referring to?
I hope...I can only guess at this point. We should find out who some of the witnesses are later this afternoon.
Thanks for stopping by and adding your 2 cents (posts).
Graham Spanier, Ph.D.
Spanier, Graham, Basil 1948, “Sexual Socialization And Premarital Sexual Behavior: An Empirical Investigation Of The Impact Of Formal And Informal Sex Education,” Northwestern University, Ph.D., Sociology, Family A Dissertation Submitted To The Graduate School In Partial Fulfillment Of The Requirements For The Degree Doctor Of Philosophy, Field Of Sociology, Evanston, Illinois, June, 1973.
Did the victims attend Penn State when the crimes were committed?
You're very welcome . Seems the important part is coming up , bit random opinions of various posters.
So because Graham is into S&M that automatically qualifies him to be fluent in catching a predator?
Nice try, but you're really digging for anything which tells me everything you say is
I'm not expecting EVERYONE to try and draw attention to certain issues, but I'd certainly expect someone who paints themselves as a victim advocate in PA, such as Roxine, to be outraged over the folks who oversaw JS' access to kids ride off into the sunset without so much as a misdemeanor, etc..
This trial is nothing but a dog and pony show. Even if Spanier is convicted of EWOC, it does NOTHING to fix the actual broken child welfare system in PA.
I say this because PSU admins had nothing to do with keeping tabs on an ex employee and his access to TSM kids, you know who did? Raykovitz and his cronies at TSM and the state of PA via the OAG and CYS/DPW. Roxine hasn't uttered ONE WORD about these agencies and demanding a full investigation into how a pillar of the community offender was able to found a state licensed charity that also served as a victim farm.
Have you read this dissertation? The title is not indicative of any relation whatsoever to pedophilia.
Two separate issues. This is a trial . Improving the CWS is a prodigious undertaking and I wonder how much it can be fixed.
It's easy to say fix it, but it seems the system is over loaded, and money is a huge issue .
We're all still waiting for an answer to this question @Roxine.
You really must be beside yourself knowing TSM officials, who literally enabled JS' grooming activities for YEARS, have escaped any and all scrutiny/prosecution...
Roxine, the day you actually put the hound dogs on the trail of Raykovitz and Heim and Corman and all the other enablers at TSM is the day I might actually respect your opinion. Until then, please just go away.
No, these issues are interrelated. The trial is providing a smokescreen for the state so that the actual root cause issues (state licensed charity getting used as a victim farm and state child care experts getting fooled by a pillar of the community offender) never even get looked into and actual enablers brought to justice.
Part of the reason the system is so overloaded post 11/11 is because of all the new laws that were put in place due to the hysteria around the supposed PSU football cover up. These law changes made things WORSE. They overloaded an already underfunded, under trained, under staffed CYS/DPW system.
+100.
95% of this whole thing, since 2011, has been a dog and pony show or a political agenda.
Its done nothing to help the children of PA, as is evident by some of the things that have happened since 2011 to children in PA.
Update from the courthouse. It is very frustrating for those in attendance as they court is very disorganized and it is taking a long time to get back into the courtroom. There are a number of journalists there as well as some members of the public. Spanier is there of course but neither his wife nor any family appears to be with him.
And I hope everyone reading this does their part to help. Today a child is being sexually abused. Today a child needs your help. If you even SUSPECT that a child is being abused in any way - REPORT IT.
Call Childline - call 911 - you can report anonymously.
yes she is beside herself over a group of people she's never criticized once
I'm on hold w/ the IRS fake 503C charity line now. Maybe later.
Insightful stuff, I'm glad you were able to provide such an informative update. /s
You'll be waiting a long time for that.
Reminds me of the Sherlock Holmes story, "The Adventure of Silver Blaze." There was a murder and a robbery, but the watch dog didn't bark.
Gregory (Scotland Yard detective): "Is there any other point to which you would wish to draw my attention?"
Holmes: "To the curious incident of the dog in the night-time."
Gregory: "The dog did nothing in the night-time."
Holmes: "That was the curious incident."[2]
The "curious incident of the dog in the night-time" is easily explained: the dog made no noise, because no stranger was there. As Holmes explains: "I had grasped the significance of the silence of the dog, for one true inference invariably suggests others.... Obviously the midnight visitor was someone whom the dog knew well. It was Straker who removed Silver Blaze from his stall and led him out on to the moor".
The Watch Dog (Roxine) isn't going to bark at her owners.
https://ujsportal.pacourts.us/DocketSheets/CPReport.ashx?docketNumber=CP-22-CR-0003615-2013
Update to the Docket - Spanier has requested the transcripts from Schultz and Curley's plea agreement.
If he receives them, do not be surprised if he tries to broker a plea deal as well.
Update to the Docket - Spanier has requested the transcripts from Schultz and Curley's plea agreement.
If he receives them, do not be surprised if he tries to broker a plea deal as well.
Uhhh..so why haven't you done anything about it? You claim to have some sort of pulpit but you do nothing to draw attention to the REAL enablers of JS. Instead you want to hyperventilate over some non child abuse expert college admin's TANGENTIAL role in the whole mess. You continually breeze by the fact that psu admins had zero control over JS' access to kids and forwarded both 98 and 01 to the folks who did.
Where are all the articles, tweets, posts on this site, etc. from you condemning the OAG for it's failure to property investigate TSM, CYS, and DPW's role in this?
I'm sure Wendy Silver would be HAPPY to team up with you in drawing attention to these issues (as she has already tirelessly done for the past 5+ years), but somehow you are the only victim advocate in PA that Wendy hasn't reach out to over the years
...yeah right.
Uhhh..so why haven't you done anything about it? You claim to have some sort of pulpit but you do nothing to draw attention to the REAL enablers of JS. Instead you want to hyperventilate over some non child abuse expert college admin's TANGENTIAL role in the whole mess. You continually breeze by the fact that psu admins had zero control over JS' access to kids and forwarded both 98 and 01 to the folks who did.
Where are all the articles, tweets, posts on this site, etc. from you condemning the OAG for it's failure to property investigate TSM, CYS, and DPW's role in this?
I'm sure Wendy Silver would be HAPPY to team up with you in drawing attention to these issues (as she has already tirelessly done for the past 5+ years), but somehow you are the only victim advocate in PA that Wendy hasn't reach out to over the years
I'm sorry, but you don't get to talk to some with 75 likes in that manner
