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Official Graham Spanier trial thread.

Again with the games. Of course no one knows exactly how one particular person Will react, but you can say with a a very high confidence how the vast majority of people will react.

What games? People can argue all they want about how he should react. That's opened to debate. What isn't open to debate is the actual words that came out of his mouth at the trial. I will continue to severely object when people change those words.
 
You don't think that would have been helpful? Logical?

I am a bit surprised that you wouldn't welcome - solicit, even - the OAG working to provide more support for Mike.

To each his own

Mike clearly didn't need it for the trial or any other times he has testified. The defense this time didn't even try and discredit MM on the stand. If you haven't noticed Mike has actually done pretty well for himself every time he has testified.

I welcome unclelar posting here with his point of view from the last many years.

but with friends like you no need for ...............................
 

Oooops sorry....... wrong JR.
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Mike clearly didn't need it for the trial or any other times he has testified. The defense this time didn't even try and discredit MM on the stand. If you haven't noticed Mike has actually done pretty well for himself every time he has testified.

I welcome unclelar posting here with his point of view from the last many years.

but with friends like you no need for ...............................

Do you mean he did well for himself when he testified that the GJP was going to be leaked? Was that all in the plan?
 
We are on lunch break but in rereading Jack's testimony back to the jury it becomes painfully clear that Tim reported to Jack that Jerry was naked in the shower with a kid. Tim banned all kids from campus and told Jack that.

Jack knew it was a 2nd mile youth & did not find out the identity of the child and chose to do nothing.

Jack kept it in-house and did not report that to outside agencies like he would do with other exact knowledge. When CMHS / CYS reported to TSM - Jack banned Jerry from all kids. (Which is what Penn State did, basically)

Jerry did not lose his child line clearance as a result of 2001 so could continue to fund raise for the organization.

Just.Wear.Swim.Trunks
 
Mike clearly didn't need it for the trial or any other times he has testified. The defense this time didn't even try and discredit MM on the stand. If you haven't noticed Mike has actually done pretty well for himself every time he has testified.

I welcome unclelar posting here with his point of view from the last many years.

but with friends like you no need for ...............................
If any of that was relevant to what I posted - - - or the question I asked......

Well....then it might be relevant.

I would have thought you would have welcomed any supportive testimony - - whether you felt it was "needed" or not.

As I said, to each his own - not my ox to be gored.
 
I'd have to disagree. Once this is over it's time for the Paterno lawsuit. Far from being back to normal.

I don't know details of the Paterno family lawsuit but if Spanier goes down, the family's lawsuit will go nowhere. And Spanier's lawsuit vs. Freeh goes nowhere.
 
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We are on lunch break but in rereading Jack's testimony back to the jury it becomes painfully clear that Tim reported to Jack that Jerry was naked in the shower.

Jack knew it was a 2nd mile youth & did not find out the identity of the child

Jack kept it in-house and did not report that to outside agencies like he would do with other exact knowledge

Jerry did not lose his child line clearance as a result of that so could continue to fund raise for the organization
Good news is that is out there,,,,bad news this isn't his trial and apparently the state never once went after him.
 
We are on lunch break but in rereading Jack's testimony back to the jury it becomes painfully clear that Tim reported to Jack that Jerry was naked in the shower.

Jack knew it was a 2nd mile youth & did not find out the identity of the child

Jack kept it in-house and did not report that to outside agencies like he would do with other exact knowledge

Jerry did not lose his child line clearance as a result of that so could continue to fund raise for the organization
WOW. LaJolla and other objective posters, your thoughts?
 
I'm not sure yet if that's a loss for the commonwealth. I'd wonder why he didn't immediately inform Raykovitz, instead of waiting app a month .
 
Are the last 3 sentences below part of his testimony, or just what we all know to be true?
We are on lunch break but in rereading Jack's testimony back to the jury it becomes painfully clear that Tim reported to Jack that Jerry was naked in the shower.

Jack knew it was a 2nd mile youth & did not find out the identity of the child

Jack kept it in-house and did not report that to outside agencies like he would do with other exact knowledge

Jerry did not lose his child line clearance as a result of that so could continue to fund raise for the organization
 
We are on lunch break but in rereading Jack's testimony back to the jury it becomes painfully clear that Tim reported to Jack that Jerry was naked in the shower.

Jack knew it was a 2nd mile youth & did not find out the identity of the child

Jack kept it in-house and did not report that to outside agencies like he would do with other exact knowledge

Jerry did not lose his child line clearance as a result of that so could continue to fund raise for the organization

Just.Wear.Swim.Trunks
Jury has to be wondering why Spanier is on trial and not JR>
 
All part of the plan. Hell, even Chuckie from PennLive said the Prosecution helped the Defense more than themselves. The only thing I can think of to explain was Jim Marshall running the wrong way which ended up for a Safety fo for the other Team. How appropriate given one of the Players' in today's case is Ditka.

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I don't know details of the Paterno family lawsuit but if Spanier goes down, the family's lawsuit will go nowhere. And Spanier's lawsuit vs. Freeh goes nowhere.
Disagree. The standards are much different in a civil trial. As for the case against Freeh, much of this week's testimony contradicted his "report", "opinion", or whatever he's calling it these days. And Spanier's trial has nothing to do with the Paternos or the NCAA.
 
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WOW. LaJolla and other objective posters, your thoughts?

You would think at some point the state would say......hmmmm, money influencing a cover up or lack of action by a charity. Maybe more than one group missed the boat here and had even more to lo$e at that point in time. I never understood how they closed up shop in the middle of the night, but how can the OAG sit in there condemning GS while calling JR to testify.
 
I'm thinking that if this is true, not only should GS be found not guilty, the guilty pleas by CS should be thrown out. Can that be done?
 
Good news is that is out there,,,,bad news this isn't his trial and apparently the state never once went after him.
After this trial is over, it will be interesting to see how many of the jurors are surprised to find that TSM and JR faced no charges. That is probably one of the things that the media group seeking access to the names of jurors is hoping to ask.
 
You would think at some point the state would say......hmmmm, money influencing a cover up or lack of action by a charity. Maybe more than one group missed the boat here and had even more to lo$e at that point in time. I never understood how they closed up shop in the middle of the night, but how can the OAG sit in there condemning GS while calling JR to testify.


I think the SOL expired during Kane's term fwiw.
 
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If any of that was relevant to what I posted - - - or the question I asked......

Well....then it might be relevant.

I would have thought you would have welcomed any supportive testimony - - whether you felt it was "needed" or not.

As I said, to each his own - not my ox to be gored.

"not my ox to gore" while goring any and everything around you. You have gone from a short little nutty guy to complete batshit crazy in a pretty short period of time. put your big boy pants on, slap yourself in the face a few times and get it back together.
 
We are on lunch break but in rereading Jack's testimony back to the jury it becomes painfully clear that Tim reported to Jack that Jerry was naked in the shower with a kid. Tim banned all kids from campus and told Jack that.

Jack knew it was a 2nd mile youth & did not find out the identity of the child and chose to do nothing.

Jack kept it in-house and did not report that to outside agencies like he would do with other exact knowledge. When CMHS / CYS reported to TSM - Jack banned Jerry from all kids. (Which is what Penn State did, basically)

Jerry did not lose his child line clearance as a result of 2001 so could continue to fund raise for the organization.

Just.Wear.Swim.Trunks

So the testimony included him knowing it was a TSM kid, admitting keeping it in house, and not losing his child abuse clearances?
 
What games? People can argue all they want about how he should react. That's opened to debate. What isn't open to debate is the actual words that came out of his mouth at the trial. I will continue to severely object when people change those words.

I like how you say "what games" then continue to veer off topic with gibberish about "words that came out of his mouth at trial". You're hopeless.
 
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