Official Graham Spanier trial thread.

[bjf1991]

We are on lunch break but in rereading Jack's testimony back to the jury it becomes painfully clear that Tim reported to Jack that Jerry was naked in the shower with a kid. Tim banned all kids from campus and told Jack that.

Jack knew it was a 2nd mile youth & did not find out the identity of the child and chose to do nothing.

Jack kept it in-house and did not report that to outside agencies like he would do with other exact knowledge. When CMHS / CYS reported to TSM - Jack banned Jerry from all kids. (Which is what Penn State did, basically)

Jerry did not lose his child line clearance as a result of 2001 so could continue to fund raise for the organization.

Just.Wear.Swim.Trunks

Would be nice if JR/2nd Mile were on trial? Eh?

Or if there was even one question in there - being read to the jury - from Spanier's Attorney along the lines of:

"Dr Raykovitz - What is your protocol...what are the requirements...when a report of inappropriate conduct involving your staff and children in the program, is brought to your attention?"

Alas. SMH

 

[wensilver]

So the testimony included him knowing it was a TSM kid, admitting keeping it in house, and not losing his child abuse clearances?

That's what the line of questioning done by Silver cleverly revealed to the jury when the court reporter read it back to all of us in the room.

Raykovitz f*cked up.

"He knew and did nothing"

 

[kgilbert78]

After this trial is over, it will be interesting to see how many of the jurors are surprised to find that TSM and JR faced no charges. That is probably one of the things that the media group seeking access to the names of jurors is hoping to ask.

I doubt it--they'll ask about Paterno. If the media were really interested, they would have asked about TSM a long time ago.

 

[coveydidnt]

WOW. LaJolla and other objective posters, your thoughts?

It seems to me that the jury wants to be clear that TSM received a watered down report. This would seem bad for GSpan.

We can all wring our hands & wail about how JR is a mandated reporter & had to make a report even if it's watered down, but he's not on trial here.

If they believe that MM made a clear enough report, and that TC & GS & Gspan watered it (and 2 of them essentially pleaded guilty to that) then it's game over.

 

[Lion Lineage]

Good news is that is out there,,,,bad news this isn't his trial and apparently the state never once went after him.

I don't think you're seeing the forest for the trees. Curley reported to Raykovitz that Sandusky was naked in a shower with a Second Mile youth. Raykovitz was Sandusky's supervisor as Sandusky was being paid by TSM. Raykovitz is also a mandatory reporter. Just with that information alone Raykovitz should have contacted CYS/DPW. Like it or not, it's a real legal stretch to say Curley, Shultz, and Spanier were mandated reporters in 2001. So all this time the focus has been on Penn State and Joe when it should have been on TSM and Jack "wear swim trunks" Raykovitz.

 

[marshall23]

I think the SOL expired during Kane's term fwiw.

The OAG could just prosecute ex post facto or doctor the date of the crime......there is precedent.

 

[The Song Remains the Same]

The jury wants to charge JR with EWOC.

You clearly missed my humor. JR told JS to wear swim trunks in the shower...

 

[kgilbert78]

I think the SOL expired during Kane's term fwiw.

That's not stopped the AG's office before....

 

[anon_1eeb2b426hv3y]

Jury has to be wondering why Spanier is on trial and not JR>

Certainly hard to imagine that NONE of them is... But let's not count chickens before they hatch. We may be getting the story we'd hoped for the opportunity to hear (and what most of us believed to be true), but it's far from unimaginable that the jury won't respond emotionally. This is a toxic case that may continue to bite every Defendant...

 

[PennSt8er]

Testimony in this trial will definitely help the Paterno case, win or lose.

Disagree. The standards are much different in a civil trial. As for the case against Freeh, much of this week's testimony contradicted his "report", "opinion", or whatever he's calling it these days. And Spanier's trial has nothing to do with the Paternos or the NCAA.

 

[UncleLar]

I like how you say "what games" then continue to veer off topic with gibberish about "words that came out of his mouth at trial". You're hopeless.

We obviously have two different agendas here. I'm challenging people who are putting words in McQueary's mouth. That's my agenda. You have some other one that I don't want to get involved with.

 

[Lion Lineage]

It seems to me that the jury wants to be clear that TSM received a watered down report. This would seem bad for GSpan.

We can all wring our hands & wail about how JR is a mandated reporter & had to make a report even if it's watered down, but he's not on trial here.

If they believe that MM made a clear enough report, and that TC & GS & Gspan watered it (and 2 of them essentially pleaded guilty to that) then it's game over.

I don't think the jurors find Mike credible. That's just my take. I also think they have reached the conclusions that C/S/S did all that was required by informing TSM of Sandusky's actions.

 

[wensilver]

"Dr Raykovitz - What is your protocol...what are the requirements...when a report of inappropriate conduct involving your staff and children in the program, is brought to your attention?"

He did exactly that.

Jack f*cked up

 

[bkmtnittany1]

That's what the line of questioning done by Silver cleverly revealed to the jury when the court reporter read it back to all of us in the room.

Raykovitz f*cked up.

"He knew and did nothing"

That's a shame! may he rot in hell...

 

[The Song Remains the Same]

That's what the line of questioning done by Silver cleverly revealed to the jury when the court reporter read it back to all of us in the room.

Raykovitz f*cked up.

"He knew and did nothing"

Which is why he was the OAG and STD's surprise star witness.

 

[UncleLar]

Do you mean he did well for himself when he testified that the GJP was going to be leaked? Was that all in the plan?

That wasn't anything new. He's testified to the leak previously.

 

[wensilver]

After this trial is over, it will be interesting to see how many of the jurors are surprised to find that TSM and JR faced no charges. That is probably one of the things that the media group seeking access to the names of jurors is hoping to ask.

That's what Angela Coulombis said to me out in the elevator lobby

 

[PSU65]

It's what came out when you listened carefully to the line of questioning

I thought JR got his info from MM--that it wasn't sexual. Was that in his testimony? I assume TC and JR spoke at a later time. And was it just being in the shower naked and nothing else?

 

[MtNittany]

I think Raykovitz should sue Penn State for $4 or $5 million for putting him through all this. The local economy would greatly benefit.

 

[DonP74]

I don't think the jurors find Mike credible. That's just my take. I also think they have reached the conclusions that C/S/S did all that was required by informing TSM of Sandusky's actions.

Most certainly are aware he pocketed 12 million dollars for not stepping in and stopping JS if it was really, really sexual act.

 

[Lisa1994]

That's what the line of questioning done by Silver cleverly revealed to the jury when the court reporter read it back to all of us in the room.

Raykovitz f*cked up.

"He knew and did nothing"

Yes!! The jury can be heros if they redirect this back to where it should have been to begin with.

 

[LundyPSU]

It seems to me that the jury wants to be clear that TSM received a watered down report. This would seem bad for GSpan.

We can all wring our hands & wail about how JR is a mandated reporter & had to make a report even if it's watered down, but he's not on trial here.

If they believe that MM made a clear enough report, and that TC & GS & Gspan watered it (and 2 of them essentially pleaded guilty to that) then it's game over.

Why bad for GSpan? If say, he also received a watered down report.

 

[wensilver]

I thought JR got his info from MM--that it wasn't sexual. Was that in his testimony? I assume TC and JR spoke at a later time. And was it just being in the shower naked and nothing else?

Tim told Jack Jerry was naked in the shower with a teen. Jack then knew it was a Second Mile teen from Jerry.

Jack did not identify the boy. Jack kept it in-house. Jack showed no concern for "the child".

Jack used his "just wear swim trunks" line in his testimony

 

[bjf1991]

He did exactly that.

Jack f*cked up

What was JR's answer? - not being there, I never heard anything along those lines in the reports

 

[UncleLar]

I don't think the jurors find Mike credible. That's just my take. I also think they have reached the conclusions that C/S/S did all that was required by informing TSM of Sandusky's actions.

I'm aware of 12.27 million reasons that would suggest that juries do believe him.

 

[ThePennsyOracle]

I'm aware of 12.27 million reasons that would suggest that juries do believe him.

Yep.

It doesn't matter what we think of Mike's credibility. Juries have said otherwise.

 

[The Song Remains the Same]

Yes!! The jury can be heros if they redirect this back to where it should have been to begin with.

Perhaps the jurors tell the media afterwards that they are shocked as to why TC and GS pled guilty, and why was JR/TSM never charged? Maybe the media finally wakes up. Nah. Never will happen.

 

[WDLion]

It seems to me that the jury wants to be clear that TSM received a watered down report. This would seem bad for GSpan.

We can all wring our hands & wail about how JR is a mandated reporter & had to make a report even if it's watered down, but he's not on trial here.

If they believe that MM made a clear enough report, and that TC & GS & Gspan watered it (and 2 of them essentially pleaded guilty to that) then it's game over.

It's pretty obvious that you received a watered down brain.

 

[kevina001]

To those who want Reykovitz to go down, do you believe there was any malice or ill intent in him not doing more about Jerry?

 

[Obliviax]

He did exactly that.

Jack f*cked up

Its all good, as long as you wear a bathing suit.

 

[pandaczar12]

We obviously have two different agendas here. I'm challenging people who are putting words in McQueary's mouth. That's my agenda. You have some other one that I don't want to get involved with.

Yeah... I'm not surprised you don't want to get involved... it's obviously a very uphill battle for you.

 

[AvgUser]

That's what the line of questioning done by Silver cleverly revealed to the jury when the court reporter read it back to all of us in the room.

Raykovitz f*cked up.

"He knew and did nothing"

Wait a minute? Why isn't this a MAJOR MAJOR news item. If i am reading this correctly, the incident was reported at least to TSM (maybe not CYS or DPW) and it was ignored?

Nothing is making sense. Curley says I wished i done more. Schultzie sort of says not much at all. They each take a plea. Why???

But if TSM actually KNEW of the incident and did nothing...then I want my $230M back! I want Freeh beaten to a pulp. I want emmert and Simon beaten to a pulp. The list goes on and on

 

[DonP74]

Are we heading for a hung jury?

 

[delcoLion]

Disagree. The standards are much different in a civil trial. As for the case against Freeh, much of this week's testimony contradicted his "report", "opinion", or whatever he's calling it these days. And Spanier's trial has nothing to do with the Paternos or the NCAA.

All good points. One thing, however: the juries. I simply can't believe that any jury would award damages to either the Paterno family or Spanier if Spanier is convicted today. It may not seem fair, it may stink, but no jury will do that.

 

[MtNittany]

It's pretty obvious that you received a watered down brain.

412

 

[redbyrds]

I don't think the jurors find Mike credible. That's just my take. I also think they have reached the conclusions that C/S/S did all that was required by informing TSM of Sandusky's actions.

You mean the same public that awarded him millions of dollars???
Do not be so sure of what a jury believes...

 

[mn78psu83]

I'm aware of 12.27 million reasons that would suggest that juries do believe him.

True that.

 

[dshumbero]

We obviously have two different agendas here. I'm challenging people who are putting words in McQueary's mouth. That's my agenda. You have some other one that I don't want to get involved with.

Stick to statistics, you're lost Uncie.

 

[nits74]

Are we heading for a hung jury?

I would think not, but who knows?

 

[Obliviax]

To those who want Reykovitz to go down, do you believe there was any malice or ill intent in him not doing more about Jerry?

interesting question.

I don't think he had ill intent. However, I think he had more culpability than CSS & P. So why has the law, and the press, unequally reviewed them? Why is HE not up for charges on endangering?

IIRC, Corbutt was AG at the time. and, the state govt was responsible for setting oversight of charities, including TSM. If true, that may be the smoking gun here.