Official Graham Spanier trial thread.

[Peetz Pool Boy]

Jury is in.

"In" can mean a lot of things, like .....a person is "in" trouble if they continue to use the name and insignia of a defunct non-profit organization. Lois Lerner might not be actively working at the IRS, but I think they still have a fairly robust non-profit audit team that frowns upon such behavior.

 

[kgilbert78]

I'm embarrassed to live in this state. I'd love to hear how they arrived at this verdict.

 

[baircub1!]

From what I've read, I don't get it but whatever. At least it's over. Until the appeal.

How does he NOT win on appeal ?

 

[pandaczar12]

felony tho

Or not, and it's "though".

Looks like I called it before pretty much everyone. Seems that people's actions are pretty predictable... how about it Uncle Lar?

 

[JoeDidntKnow]

Is that a felony or misdemeanor?

 

[kgilbert78]

How does he NOT win on appeal ?

PA Supreme Court. They made this law applicable ex post facto.

Remember them when you vote.

 

[delcoLion]

does he appeal ?

Sure, he will appeal. I can't see him winning, however. The precedent was set with the trial of Fr. Lynn from the Phila archdiocese.

 

[PSU2UNC]

I have no idea how they can come to that conclusion...none at all.

It would not surprise me if there were two or three jurors who (rightly) voted not guilty on all counts and another two or three that voted guilty on all counts.

I doubt the judge would have declared a hung jury after a little over 1 day of deliberations.

As the prospect of being sequestered for the weekend began to loom, they basically compromised.

But it's the wrong verdict. I hope Graham appeals.

 

[kgilbert78]

Sure, he will appeal. I can't see him winning, however.

And Louie the Liar will file for summary judgement--and get it.

 

[WeR0206]

The similarities to the Lynn case and this one are striking. Spanier had even less to do with the care of this kid than Lynn did.

In any normal world this would get appealed and the higher court will overturn, who knows what will happen being in PA.

 

[Obliviax]

Is that a felony or misdemeanor?

felony, in his case....C&S pleaded it down to a misdemeanor.

 

[kgilbert78]

Sure, he will appeal. I can't see him winning, however. The precedent was set with the trial of Fr. Lynn from the Phila archdiocese.

As I said earlier. Pa Supreme Court.

Remember them when you vote.

 

[bplionfan]

Sure, he will appeal. I can't see him winning, however. The precedent was set with the trial of Fr. Lynn from the Phila archdiocese.

His attorney will probably appeal but will submit no defense...

 

[Obliviax]

His attorney will probably appeal but will submit no defense...

well, because he won. when the defense closed, there was no evidence of child endangering. its nuts.

 

[delcoLion]

And Louie the Liar will file for summary judgement--and get it.

Yes, I agree with you. That lawsuit is kaputski.

 

[Roxine]

It would not surprise me if there were two or three jurors who (rightly) voted not guilty on all counts and another two or three that voted guilty on all counts.

I doubt the judge would have declared a hung jury after a little over 1 day of deliberations.

As the prospect of being sequestered for the weekend began to loom, they basically compromised.

But it's the wrong verdict. I hope Graham appeals.

They had to be unanimous to find guilty

 

[Lion Lineage]

They had to be unanimous to find guilty

I think he realizes that.

 

[Peetz Pool Boy]

Since it's a felony, file the appeal.

 

[jim cummings]

They had to be unanimous to find guilty

Ok, you got what you wanted. Time to go now.

 

[Pardlion]

Who is the kid that Spanier endangered? Was the kid endangered before or after Spanier found out about Sandusky's conduct?

 

[Peetz Pool Boy]

They had to be unanimous to find guilty

No shyt Sherlock. You're a real genius.

 

[Omar81]

They had to be unanimous to find guilty

Wow, you're a real rocket scientist, aren't you? Read what he wrote for God's sake.

 

[kgilbert78]

Who is the kid that Spanier endangered? Was the kid endangered before or after Spanier found out about Sandusky's conduct?

Who says you even need a victim any more??

 

[AWS1022]

They had to be unanimous to find guilty

Hence his use of the term compromised.

 

[Lisa1994]

They had to be unanimous to find guilty

Roxine, you work with the victims, right? You telling me they care more about Spanier than Raykovitz?

 

[Pardlion]

Wait, isn't Spanier's boss the board of trustees? So, they should be guilty, too?

 

[kgilbert78]

Hence his use of the term compromised.

If so that would be pretty sad that they put their weekend before a man's life....

 

[Lion Lineage]

So McQueary never talks to Spanier. Spanier hears info. second hand from Curley and Shultz, and Spanier is guilty of endangering the welfare of a child? And he's not even a mandated reporter. Moreover, the jury doesn't believe there was a conspiracy, so if there was no conspiracy to protect Sandusky or hide his crimes, what did Spanier do wrong exactly?

 

[kgilbert78]

Roxine, you work with the victims, right? You telling me they care more about Spanier than Raykovitz?

Don't expect an answer. She has her pound of flesh.

 

[Pardlion]

So, does this mean that Baron is going to jail because of the young man who died in the frat house last month?

 

[kgilbert78]

So McQueary never talks to Spanier. Spanier hears info. second hand from Curley and Shultz, and Spanier is guilty of endangering the welfare of a child? And he's not even a mandated reporter. Moreover, the jury doesn't believe there was a conspiracy, so if there was no conspiracy to protect Sandusky or hide his crimes, what did Spanier do wrong exactly?

P*ss off Corbett, apparently.

 

[baconking1]

Your opinion or the actual verdict?

It obviously was the actual verdict . I didn't realize it wasn't out yet officially.

 

[21Guns]

Nit74 you were right. Tip my cap to you amigo.

 

[21Guns]

Sentence cannot possibly be jail time, considering no priors?

 

[baconking1]

A felony ? I'm guessing there might be jail time .

 

[21Guns]

A felony ? I'm guessing there might be jail time .

Long probation and house arrest. He's not a criminal.

 

[dontgojoepa]

Don't necessarily agree with the verdict, but perhaps the jury felt that, as President of the University, once Spanier got the report from Curley/Schultz as to a potential problem (and given the vagueness of their report), he had a duty to contact the witness himself, or further investigate the complaint, or at least insure that the restrictions placed on Sandusky going forward were actually enforced.

 

[nits74]

A felony ? I'm guessing there might be jail time .

You mean, hoping don't you.

 

[kgilbert78]

A felony ? I'm guessing there might be jail time .

Guaranteed. He didn't roll over and play dead. Maximum, I'll bet. Commonwealth has to have something to show for their time.

Reminds me of the Martha Stewart case. She got caught lying about a legal transaction which the feds had no business asking her about. But no one liked her, so she got convicted.

 

[nits74]

Nit74 you were right. Tip my cap to you amigo.

Many others shared this opinion. Lesson for everyone: Never put your fate in the hands of 12 morons if you can avoid it. Particularly, 12 cowardly ones. The system is inherently flawed and doesn't work.