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Official Graham Spanier trial thread.
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I see. So precise words are vitally important to you when that fits your agenda. And in "other words" and "could logically conclude" are perfectly fine when that suits you. I guess when Mike referred to "some kind of intercourse" he meant the kind of intercourse between a grown man and a young boy that isn't IDSI. Gotcha.
Are you passing the time by watching RUDY on your phone?
Uncle Lar is useless now, and long ago.
Like Bob said...
Ignore.
Like Bob said...
Ignore.
McQueary told his father, John, and family friend Dr. Jonathan Dranov, about the incident the night it occurred in February 2001. Dranov testified on Wednesday, as he did to the grand jury and at Sandusky’s trial, that McQueary told him that he had heard “sexual sounds” but did not describe seeing a sexual act.
Conrad questioned Dranov about his status as a mandated reporter of suspected child abuse because he is a physician. Dranov said because of what McQueary described and because he was not a witness to it, the incident was not a mandated report.
Asked if he thought it was “bad enough” to call police or child welfare agencies that night, Dranov said no.
http://www.statecollege.com/news/lo...on-day-3-of-mcquearypenn-state-trial,1469602/
Conrad questioned Dranov about his status as a mandated reporter of suspected child abuse because he is a physician. Dranov said because of what McQueary described and because he was not a witness to it, the incident was not a mandated report.
Asked if he thought it was “bad enough” to call police or child welfare agencies that night, Dranov said no.
http://www.statecollege.com/news/lo...on-day-3-of-mcquearypenn-state-trial,1469602/
oh yeah, I forgot that the grand jury that indicted JS was not the GJ that MM testified in front of....
I'm almost out of work in Harrisburg.. will buy you a beer or a stronger drink as thanks for keeping the board updated..
The strength of the drink may be verdict dependent.....
He was pretty useful when Ed DeChellis was losing year after year, and he invented statistics to support him though.
Yet your value is through the roof.
To me, this the one, if not the largest piece of evidence. MM had ample time to 'calm down' after seeing/hearing the incident. Dranov is a trained physician. A 26 year old man is not 'afraid' or 'embarrassed' to tell a family friend physician exactly what happened an hour or two after the incident. It is when it is most fresh in MM's mind and you know Dranov by his own testimony and education/background knew how and what to ask. And Dranov has zero reason to conspire to anything or cover-up anything. He is a legit 3rd party to this whole ordeal, and in his trained and professional opinion, nothing MM said rose to the level of reporting. Anything after that pales in comparison.
See if you can find a locker door to slam shut, you know, to get their attention...
Don't forget eye contact. You've gotta have eye contact.
Would it cost a bunch of money? Of course they would!
Yep, the 1st person he tells minutes after, he tells he witnessed nothing sexual, then the 2nd person he tells an hour or so later, he tells that he saw nothing sexual only sounds of sex. So the 1st 2 pieces of the puzzle were not told Mike witnessed any sex, but he is sure he told C/S what he witnessed was sexual. Gotcha Mike....
And not so mysteriously, 10 years after the incident, and after talking to the authorities.
Sexual sounds + man and boy in shower = suspected CSA.
Correct. Dranov isn't in trouble. No one at TSM is in trouble, like Raykovitz.
Penn State was the patsy. Corbett wanted to take them down, for Spanier speaking up about the budget cuts. To this day, this machine still operates with the same goal. They own the press. They own the judicial system.
Right.. told his father and Dr Dranov these things allegedly. They thought Joe Paterno was the right man to call.. hmmm??
They may have thought Joe was an expert on "sexual sounds"
I've never believed the "sexual sounds." Have you been in the building? MM said he heard the sounds while between the two doors leading to the locker/shower area. Aside from the water running, at least one door, and several yards away, the sexual sounds would have to be VERY loud to make it that far. And, those sounds would have to be caused by penetration. And that would have been evident.
So I've always called the sounds BS. I think he didn't see anything so he made the sounds up to fill in the blanks between what he actually saw and what he actually suspected.
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