Official Graham Spanier trial thread.
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Unless: MM CHANGED HIS STORY once the circumstances fit thereby screwing everybody else who did what they did based on what they new. They were obviously pissed at him.
Look I get views toward him, but I think they are part of the tragedy in all of this. Society can't end up blaming someone trying to do the right thing, but they sure did with all involved didn't they? He didn't do himself any favors but I think he tried to do something good in 2001.
If he was not sure what he walked in on......then yes, he tried to do the right thing. If this is so......he stumbled when his story changed.
Just a hunch...
Guilty on child endangerment (same as Curley and Schultz plead)
Not guilty or hung jury on Conspiracy
Except he is at the crux of "could've done more"!! If what he told the state is even remotely true (and I'll concede that's a BIG "if") then he cowardly left a child in harm's way. If he watered down his story to everyone at Penn State, again, he's a coward. His (in)actions started this whole shitstorm, and he doesn't deserve one fvcking penny for being a lying sack of horse shit! Sorry, no sympathy for Mike on this one - he royally shit the bed and then turned it into a grossly undeserved payday.
Have you been watching society lately? I gave up a long time ago.
I place no blame for Mike about not intervening, or even not calling police. If I was in his shoes, I could see myself doing the same thing. I wouldn't want to get involved. Just being honest.
Now if I was sure I saw rape, and the kid looked like he was in distress, I'm pretty sure I would intervene. Mike never indicated any distress, and almost made it sound "consensual" (I'm well aware that a 12-14 year old kid can't consent to something like that).
But if he trumped up his story to help along the investigation, he is scum. He may have done it totally in good faith, not even realizing it would bury Joe, Curley, Schultz, and Spanier. But once it became obvious it would, he had to set the record straight. Was that what his email about his words getting twisted in the GJP was about??...We'll probably never know.
Now if I was sure I saw rape, and the kid looked like he was in distress, I'm pretty sure I would intervene. Mike never indicated any distress, and almost made it sound "consensual" (I'm well aware that a 12-14 year old kid can't consent to something like that).
But if he trumped up his story to help along the investigation, he is scum. He may have done it totally in good faith, not even realizing it would bury Joe, Curley, Schultz, and Spanier. But once it became obvious it would, he had to set the record straight. Was that what his email about his words getting twisted in the GJP was about??...We'll probably never know.
I don't view it quite that simply but yeah I can understand why others feel that way. It's tough to see Mike walk away with millions and others get labeled criminals for also doing what they thought was right.
LMAO yeah I have. I guess at times I think there is still a chance but totally agree with you
Once those juror's names are released, they could suffer a damaging tweet from a Kardashian (or others that follow Kardashians). We're talking life-altering-ending stuff here.
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Whats the general feeling there? Not sure I'm that happy about the jurors asking for Rayjovitz testimony to be read back..really wish Silver would have ripped into him...thoughts? He is a snake...
The desire to go home, as opposed to returning on Saturday or the next week tends to cure that. Juries often magically reach consensus late Friday afternoon. Perhaps this (high profile) case will be different, but that is generally the way it works.
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As to #1, I give McQueary a pass for what he did ir didn't do in the heat of the moment. I agree with your reasoning. But for 10 years??!! Sorry, inactivity for 10 years can only be explained by the fact he's lying about what happened in 2001 or he's a coward.
If you talk to a lot of Millennials, one thing that will surprise you is their ability to hold two completely contradictory beliefs at the same time--and no see any problem with that or even realize that they are contradictory.
Or he was blackmailed by an out of control, corrupt OAG - which falls in between your two choices.
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Or he mistakenly thought this case was simple for the jury to figure out....
Right, because he couldn't just check in to a hotel again if he had to.
Not surprising...pretty good assumption that some kind of decision would be made today...why keep all his stuff in his hotel room ? Why not check out...nothing there IMO...
Here's some arithmetic for you: 9+1+1 = police that Saturday morning.
I feel like he told something minimal at the time because he didn't know or believe what he saw to all involved and his mind got going and maybe he realized he saw something more or thought he saw something more over time and maybe that's why the story changed. In his mind the story was the same but he expressed it differently as time passed when he was able to put it all together. The whole thing is a tragedy. I feel like MM and Joe and the admins attempted to do the right thing for that time period and the circumstances that followed shows they failed like TSM, like CYS, like DPW, like anyone that came in contact with Jerry.. we as a society are to blame.. but the desire to blame someone or something overcame the opportunity to learn and help other children in our communities. This witch hunt hasn't helped anyone and hasn't helped any of the victims. The only good thing was getting Sandusky behind bars. MM is partially responsible for this.
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i have never had to check back in to a hotel because I made an assumption......not
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Noticed that too. But much of my concern is the older "leaders" of today's society.
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