You seem pretty high on Indiana, but I'm sure some of that is simply you trying to pump them up as a quality win, since the refs had so much influence in the PSU game. Really wish we could play that one over!
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Urban Meyer has done a couple of shows on Indiana and he has been extremely complimentary towards them. I believe Indiana gave up 13 yards rushing to Michigan in the first half. Also, no need to pump up Ohio State. If they win out they will be seeded very high. Even if they have two losses they will be in the playoff.
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Play it over with a Neutral Officiating Crew.... No way duhO$U gets away with a fraction of the crap they pulled - duhO$U literally bear-hugged every eligible receiver at the LOS and rode them through the arrival of the ball. Also, their OL held Carter on an every play basis. Literally double-digit blatant flags could have been thrown. No way duhO$U gets away with that crap in the Playoffs with Neutral Crews - no way. The only place they would get away with it is in the homer-2. It's duhO$U's security blanket which they won't have in the playoffs.
Let's suppose that what you are saying is true. "DuhOSU" held everyone on every play and got away with it and knew they would. That would be an enormous advantage. Under those circumstances, OSU should have won by 5 touchdowns. They won by 1. How do you explain that?
Yea, I originally picked Indiana a few days ago by a FG but now thinking OSU by at least a TD in the Horseshoe. Should be a great game though
People are not noticing the improvement in Michigan's offense and defense. Previously, the offense was embarrassingly bad. Now it is just bad. The defense may be average to above average at this time. They have a good number of talented players on defense. Everyone is taking it as a given that OSU will beat Michigan this year. I do think OSU will beat Michigan, but I don't think Michigan is as bad as Purdue, for instance, which was essentially a practice game for OSU.
Here is Urban Meyer praising Indiana's defense.
Urban says all kinds of insane things. Michigan's complete trash offensively. Purdue level bad...Michigan's D prevents the entire team from being Purdue.
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Davis Warren is not turning the ball over as much as before and not throwing it into the ground. Still not very good but he can throw for a touchdown or two during the game, which was impossible the first three or four games that Michigan played.
Warren is average under 150 yards a game despite them trailing and he has to throw the ball
Their offense is horrific with Warren at QB
I mean, this is like when Penn State fans try to pretend Minnesota and Wisconsin are good
A few weeks back, before Tuttle retired, it seemed he’d be the starter on his return to Bloomington, but he, too was turning the ball over a couple times per game. Warren, while not having big numbers since his return, has at least slowed the TO numbers directly attributed to the QB position there. Luckily IU had Orji to help in that regard on one of his wildcat runs in Q2.
Warren has more picks than TDs so far this year. Yes, he hasn't thrown picks in the past 3 games but also isn't getting any yards. His completion percentage is also way down in the past two games against Oregon and Indiana so what's going to happen against Ohio State for example.
I just don't see the improvement--it's like saying Joe Flacco is better than Anthony Richardson (to stick with the state of Indiana)--okay, maybe, but does it matter. Bad is bad even if it's "slightly less bad"
Certainly not the caliber of their last 3 years. Their OL is adequate and RBs are decent. But when you get to the WRs - Ugh although their TE is decent. The QBs ? Absolutely PUTRID and as we all know, the offense starts with the QB. They just don't have a passing game at all - to compliment their running game
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I am saying Michigan is dangerous, not good. Three games stand out to me involving Ohio state. About 5 or 6 years ago Ohio State barely beat a terrible Maryland team something like 52 to 50. With about 60 seconds left Ohio state had to complete a fourth down 5 yard pass to a tight end who had caught about three passes the whole year. Also, one year Michigan was poor about 10 years ago and Ohio state's defense couldn't stop them. Ohio State won something like 42 to 40 and intercepted a 2-point conversion pass as the game ended. In 1996 Ohio state had a great team with Andy katzenmoyer and Orlando Brown and many other first round picks. They were favored by like 18 points against Michigan and managed to lose the game. There is always the risk of losing a rivalry game. I think the chances of Ohio State winning are good but I don't think it is necessarily a walk over game. Michigan played Oregon reasonably close, when you consider that Oregon was gifted a touchdown by the referees and the last Oregon score was meaningless near the end of the game.
They're not dangerous--just like Wisconsin and Minnesota aren't dangerous
Anything can happen on any given Saturday but the expectation is Ohio State needs to destroy a bad Michigan team. They're a very bad team this year. I wish Penn State got to play them.
Random games where bad teams gave you a run doesn't mean you shouldn't be expected to destroy Michigan
People love to make their opponents out to be better than they are (happens here every day--someone is probably truly thinking we better not take Purdue lightly) just to try to build up their schedule
And, no, Oregon-Michigan wasn't reasonably close--the game was over at halftime. Oregon outgained them by 200ish yards (going off memory) and Michigan was gifted 7 (all 7) points in the first half.
Ohio State should be 14 point favorites or more
I think one of the main factors in this year's OSU-Michigan game is it's in the Horseshoe and the crowd will be out for blood and SUPER LOUD. Those crappy Michigan QBs have enough problems at home let alone trying to guide an offense in the Shoe with that crowd trying to disrupt his offense
Indiana's thing is that they are really well coached. Cignetti may in fact be Saban's best disciple. To quote Saban, "Most teams practice until they get it right. We practice until we can't get it wrong".
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You do realize that the homer Officiating started after duhO$U was down 10-0 late in the 1st Qtr, yes??? PSU had the first possession of the game and went on a 14 play, 65 yard, 8:06 scoring drive. They then had the Pick-6. On PSU's next possession (their 2nd of the game), PSU's slot receiver (Liam Clifford) was jumped at the LOS, held throughout his route and tackled before the ball arrived - causing a 3-&-out. This prompted Joel Klatt to comment while reviewing the replay that Clifford was clearly both held and interferred with, but he explained it all away by saying that the Officiating Crew told him and the FOX Broadcast Crew that "they were going to let them play today" and keep their flags in their pockets. On duhO$U's very next possession, they called PSU for the cheapest of cheap bullshit PF calls on a 3rd Down where duhO$U is stopped 5 yards short of the 1st down allowing duhO$U a "free possession" (effectively equal to a turnover). Then on PSU's very next possession (their 3rd Offensive possession), duhO$U again blatantly holds and then tackles the intended receiver on 3rd Down (Tyler Warren) - causing a 2nd consecutive 3-&-out for PSU, prompting Klatt to say again, while reviewing the replay, that the duhO$U d-back clearly held and then Interferred with the PSU receiver, but again explained it away by saying that the b1g crew had said they were going to let them play (insinuating that this justified not calling anything on what he himself identified as clear and obvious penalties.). Klatt would go on to say that duhO$U appeared to get away with holding along the OL or holding/PI in the secondary three more times during the telecast while reviewing replays of big/important plays. Klatt did not comment a single time that he thought PSU got away with a clear penalty.
National media sites (X, Instagram, etc....) lit up Nationally criticizing the b2g homer Officiating and commenting on the one sided nature of it - the Comments were universally that they were protecting duhO$U (and I already shared multiple National articles summarizing the reactions on Social Media).
You're so full of shit this string of homer Officiating had no impact on the game. PSU's receivers were held and Interferred with for the rest of the game - zero flags. The duhO$U OL held Carter on an every play basis - zero flags. Easily could have been double-digit flags on duhO$U if the game were called remotely evenly - as it was, there were 2. Complete joke home-job in Beaver Stadium yet again.
Smart recruited those players
Smart is also 15 years younger
Cignetti (who I like) still hasn't beat anyone--their SOS is 100
It's great to talk up CIgnetti but he has no chance of catching Smart's career. None. There's no "wait and see" on a 63 year old coach in his first year at Indiana when comparing him to Smart who's not yet 50 with titles.
The wait and see is watching to see him recruiting and/or moving on to better recruits and watching development
He's 63--he's not going to be bringing many (if any) elite recruits to Indiana
He's also not going to get a major job based on one year--see Sonny Dykes is still at TCU and his run likely will end up being better
I'm just not sure what you all think is going to happen here. Most likely this is a one year splash with Indiana and they remain competitive but not 10-0-esque moving forward
Next year they're at Penn State Iowa and Oregon...plus have Wisconsin--even with their OOC that makes our's look semi-decent they're not going to have great success
I like Cignetti but come on--let's be real about what they've done
I expect OSU to win, but I also expect it to be a close game. I would take the points all day.
Indiana does not have the talent that OSU has but they are extremely well coached, (great staff), very disciplined, very physical and the moment won’t be to big for them.
He doesn’t have to bring in elite high school talent. With NIL and the portal there is plenty of above average talent to be had from the blue blood programs that stock pile more talent than they need.
Very true--but he still has to get them. This year wasn't that level of player. Primarily small school guys that the gamble is working with (debatably because of their schedule) so I guess we'll see if he can land a guy like Miller Moss or even if one of our QBs hit the portal next year. I think he's a very good coach and one guys want to play for but Indiana's still Indiana. It take a very long time to change that.
Agreed. His QB if Roark, the kid that QB'd Ohio University to two bowl games in 2022 and 2023. If you look at their roster (plus Purdue and many of the other traditionally second rate B1G schools) they are replete with xfers. In fact, Purdue has a former PSU DT named Cole Brevard who was a four star DT prospect.
How anyone can have watched that game and thought it was called even remotely fairly is a testament to the level of "homer" that exists in "traditional b2g-land"!
Anybody who thinks this homer bushleague's Official's aren't going to give Indiana the identical treatment is seriously diluded.
I would suggest that you not watch the game. Find something to do that you enjoy.
If Indiana wins it all we can say Cignetti is in the same class as Smart. That would be incredible. I know we want them to lose to OSU but what a story if he out coaches Day and they beat them.
