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Ok, this stuff drives me crazy

The Spin Meister

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Ok, so it is short trip but enough is enough........

Just saw a Dr and Associate Professor at NYU interviewed about the pandemic. She stated that now that we have vaccines against the virus it is trying to figure out a way around the vaccines and that is why it is mutating.

VIRUSES DON’T THINK!!! *******Deep breath*******

Viruses don’t think, or plot, or plan, or.....anything. Viruses are not even considered to be alive. They don’t exhibit any signs or prerequisites of life. Don’t move. Don’t ingest or excrete. In fact they show zero biological activity. If you put viruses in Petri dish or any type of culture medium they just sit there.....forever.

A virus is a lump of either RNA or DNA wrapped in some type of sheet of protein and/or fat and/or sugars..... That clump just exists and does nothing until it is ingested by some living host. Then the cells of that host incorporate the RNA/DNA into its cellar functions. That RNA/DNA then becomes directions for the host cell to make more viruses. That’s it. Sorta like a piece of software that infects your computer to spread itself around the internet.

What really happens is that there are errors made during the replication process in the host cell. They are called mutations. And such mutations are 100% totally random. But when one infected person makes a few billion of these viruses a couple mutate into something that is a little different. And that difference could be just enough that the immune system stimulated by the vaccines no longer recognizes the new virus and so no longer works. And when a billion people are infected, each one making billions of replicas, some mutations are inevitable.

No thought. No plan. No intent. No strategy. Just our pure random rotten luck.

Ok....I feel better now that I got that off my chest. You may resume your regular viewing.

Oh....and Happy New Year!
 
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Ok, a corrallary to my OP.....and an excuse to bump this above all thee woe is me wailing and gnashing of teeth...this same issue is common in discussions of evolution. When talking about some species that has made adaptations to a change in its environment talking heads of all shapes will talk as if the changes were a result of intentional changes in said species.

Like a moth that was predominantly white a hundred years ago is now dark brown because of tree bark being darker now because of pollution. No, the moths didn’t think....hey I need to produce darker colored progeny for them to survive. What happens is some are darker, some are lighter. In a city with trees that have dark bark the lighter ones get eaten by birds...the darker ones survive and reproduce.

No conscious thought to adapt. No planning, no designs, no intent. Just survival of the fittest for that environment.

I know this sounds trivial but it is important that people understand how these things work. Only by knowing how things really work can we properly cure the ills in the system.
 
Ok, so it is short trip but enough is enough........

Just saw a Dr and Associate Professor at NYU interviewed about the pandemic. She stated that now that we have vaccines against the virus it is trying to figure out a way around the vaccines and that is why it is mutating. VIRUSES DON’T THINK!!! *******Deep breathe*******

Viruses don’t think, or plot, or plan, or.....anything. Viruses are not even considered to be alive. They don’t exhibit any signs or prerequisites of life. Don’t move. Don’t ingest or excrete. In fact they show zero biological activity. If you put viruses in Petri dish or any type of culture medium they just sit there.....forever.

A virus is a lump of either RNA or DNA wrapped in some type of sheet of protein and/or fat and/or sugars..... That clump just exists and does nothing until it is ingested by some living host. Then the cells of that host incorporate the RNA/DNA into its cellar functions. That RNA/DNA then becomes directions for the host cell to make more viruses. That’s it. Sorta like a piece of software that infects your computer to spread itself around the internet.

What really happens is that there are errors made during the replication process in the host cell. They are called mutations. And such mutations are 100% totally random. But when one infected person makes a few billion of these viruses a couple mutate into something that is a little different. And that difference could be just enough that the immune system stimulated by the vaccines no longer recognizes the new virus and so no longer works. And when a billion people are infected, each one making billions of replicas, some mutations are inevitable.

No thought. No plan. No intent. No strategy. Just Our pure random rotten luck.

Ok....I feel better now that I got that off my chest. You may resume your regular viewing.

Oh....and Happy New Year!
Did she really give an indication that she thinks viruses are actually "trying"?
Ok, a corrallary to my OP.....and an excuse to bump this above all thee woe is me wailing and gnashing of teeth...this same issue is common in discussions of evolution. When talking about some species that has made adaptations to a change in its environment talking heads of all shapes will talk as if the changes were a result of intentional changes in said species.

Like a moth that was predominantly white a hundred years ago is now dark brown because of tree bark being darker now because of pollution. No, the moths didn’t think....hey I need to produce darker colored progeny for them to survive. What happens is some are darker, some are lighter. In a city with trees that have dark bark the lighter ones get eaten by birds...the darker ones survive and reproduce.

No conscious thought to adapt. No planning, no designs, no intent. Just survival of the fittest for that environment.

I know this sounds trivial but it is important that people understand how these things work. Only by knowing how things really work can we properly cure the ills in the system.
No, it is NOT trivial.

You can immediately dismiss the critical thinking skills of any "doctor" or "expert" that doesn't realize the basic facts that you've outlined above.

Evolutionary pressure has been well understood for a long time, and I'm shocked that people still think it works by "planning and thinking". SMH.
 
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