Olympic Qualifier in Istanbul, 5/9-12

[El-Jefe]

@zzs006 Here's a head start for you -- a list of the likely competition for Zain and Spencer:

Spencer Lee & Zain Retherford's Last Chance Qualifier Competition - FloWrestling

See who's going to be at the Last Chance Olympic Qualifier alongside Spencer Lee and Zain Retherford.

www.flowrestling.org

It's just a list with some credentials, but not an analysis of who the biggest obstacles will be. (Zain and Spencer might be the biggest obstacles to everyone else.)

 

[Brian LB-U]

 

[GogglesPaizano]

Everyone else trying to qualify in Turkey just said a collective 'ahh shit' after this weekend.

 

[Pennstate1985]

In the interest of reducing posts asking for this information, can the OP include session times and TV/listening information. It would also be helpful to include bracket info now rather than wait until the event is only a couple days out. Blaming a lack of bracket info today on the organizer is lame. Be better. Also, and since this is in Turkey, there may be some final results prior to the tournament if you know what I mean, and you do know what I mean. So please post them here too.

Sorry - a little Mudflap humor there.

Some obvious sarc in there, so beware.

 

[El-Jefe]

Rut-roh.

 

[GOLDBANGER]

Rut-roh.

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He ain't beating the version of Spencer at OTTs, especially in freestyle.

 

[Nitlion1986]

He ain't beating the version of Spencer at OTTs, especially in freestyle.

One good roll through and we will learn Spencer was injured.

Which does raise a question. If Ramos were to hit the magic roll through in the semis, does Spencer lower himself to wrestling in the conscis for 3rd?

 

[El-Jefe]

He ain't beating the version of Spencer at OTTs, especially in freestyle.

I'd pick Lee but their history says it's not that automatic.

In the dual, Ramos got a takedown on a go behind, and later threw Lee to his back with double overs -- that might have been a pin in free.

In the NCAA semis, he doubled Lee to his back, and hit a head pinch earlier at the end of the 1st that Lee rolled thru for no score in folk, would've been 4 in free. (And then the famous 3rd period head pinch.)

OTOH, we don't know if Ramos can defend Lee's laces and guts.

Also, Ramos is just as likely to lose before facing Lee. He's a wild card.

 

[El-Jefe]

One good roll through and we will learn Spencer was injured.

Which does raise a question. If Ramos were to hit the magic roll through in the semis, does Spencer lower himself to wrestling in the conscis for 3rd?

Serious answer to a not serious question: top 3 qualify for the Olympics.

 

[GOLDBANGER]

I'd pick Lee but their history says it's not that automatic.

In the dual, Ramos got a takedown on a go behind, and later threw Lee to his back with double overs -- that might have been a pin in free.

In the NCAA semis, he doubled Lee to his back, and hit a head pinch earlier at the end of the 1st that Lee rolled thru for no score in folk, would've been 4 in free. (And then the famous 3rd period head pinch.)

OTOH, we don't know if Ramos can defend Lee's laces and guts.

Also, Ramos is just as likely to lose before facing Lee. He's a wild card.

I'm now seeing a report that Ramos is NOT registered for the last chance qualifier and the deadline was 4-22.

 

[GogglesPaizano]

If he goes, I bet Lee techs him.

 

[mcpat]

I thought this was in Constantinople. So if you have a date in Constantinople, she’ll be waiting in Istanbul?

 

[SpikingWhamos]

I thought this was in Constantinople. So if you have a date in Constantinople, she’ll be waiting in Istanbul?

That's nobody's business but the Turks

 

[lockhavenlion3]

That's nobody's business but the Turks

thanks, now you'll have me hearing that all day .

 

[mcpat]

Come to think of it…

Even old New York was once New Amsterdam.
Why’d they change it? I can’t say.
People just liked it better that way.

 

[Delcolion915]

Im going to Ireland with my girlfriend and will miss the entire thing. She's put up with me and Penn State wrestling so, I owe her that much lol

 

[Pennstate1985]

UWW Suspends Officials Involved In Chamizo - Bayramov Bout - FloWrestling

United World Wrestling has made a decision regarding the controversial Frank Chamizo - Turan Bayramov bout at the Euro Qualifier.

www.flowrestling.org

We will never clean up international cheating and won't get additional FS weights until we do,

 

[Agoodnap]

Im going to Ireland with my girlfriend and will miss the entire thing. She's put up with me and Penn State wrestling so, I owe her that much lol

My wife and I were there at this time last year. Lately I've been thinking about a trip over soon, perhaps late September or October.

 

[Delcolion915]

My wife and I were there at this time last year. Lately I've been thinking about a trip over soon, perhaps late September or October.

I can't wait. My ancestors are from County Down, I think it's on the coast. Did you see the coast or stick to the country side?

 

[Agoodnap]

I don't know what "country side" means. If you want to continue this off-topic tag me in this thread:

OT: Travel & Food ideas

Any New Hopers here? Oldest son is thinking of having his wedding at the Hotel du Village. Thoughts? Ratings?

pennstate.forums.rivals.com

 

[Cstroke]

What percentage chance of our guys(USA)qualifying the weight??
Spencer at 85%?
Zane at 85%?

 

[Agoodnap]

What percentage chance of our guys(USA)qualifying the weight??
Spencer at 85%?
Zane at 85%?

Are you new? It's 83% for each of them.

 

[Cstroke]

Damn, I wiffed on that one.

 

[86PSUPaul]

Are you new? It's 83% for each of them.

I thought it was 83% for Zain and according to that irondude it is 100% for Spencer, unless he is hurt…. Then who knows

 

[Folkstylefan]

Well lee has to be hurt unless he wins

 

[dicemen99]

Are you new? It's 83% for each of them.

83% for Zain.

100% for a healthy Lee. 0% for an injured, sick, or unable to train properly for conditioning Lee.

 

[railbirrd]

from Mitch Finesilver (picked off the Facebook group "The Wrestling Room"):
"Today I received the unfortunate news that I am not able to compete in the World Olympic Games qualifier in Istanbul, Turkey. As a result of safety concerns, the Israeli team has been prohibited from travel. While unfortunate, I understand the precautions necessary to ensure our safety as athletes.
I have trained for the past 5 years to qualify for the 2024 Paris Olympics, however, that dream will officially come to a close. I want to sincerely thank all the people who have been along with me for this crazy ride. Thank you to my coaches and teammates @cliffkeenwc and @umichwrestling for preparing me on this journey. I’m going to do my part to help my teammates win gold medals in Paris!
I never expected my Olympic run to end like this. However, when life throws you curveballs, the best you can do is be grateful for the people in your life and a life well lived.
I don’t know what’s next for me. I’m going to take some time to reflect. Regardless, I’m extremely thankful for the amazing sport of wrestling!"

 

[FatWoodchuck]

I'd pick Lee but their history says it's not that automatic.

In the dual, Ramos got a takedown on a go behind, and later threw Lee to his back with double overs -- that might have been a pin in free.

In the NCAA semis, he doubled Lee to his back, and hit a head pinch earlier at the end of the 1st that Lee rolled thru for no score in folk, would've been 4 in free. (And then the famous 3rd period head pinch.)

OTOH, we don't know if Ramos can defend Lee's laces and guts.

Also, Ramos is just as likely to lose before facing Lee. He's a wild card.

How in HEDOUBLE HOCKEY STICKS can you remember all this stuff, or did you rewatch, read up on this. Are you part elephant?

 

[Psalm 1 guy]

from Mitch Finesilver (picked off the Facebook group "The Wrestling Room"):
"Today I received the unfortunate news that I am not able to compete in the World Olympic Games qualifier in Istanbul, Turkey. As a result of safety concerns, the Israeli team has been prohibited from travel. While unfortunate, I understand the precautions necessary to ensure our safety as athletes.
I have trained for the past 5 years to qualify for the 2024 Paris Olympics, however, that dream will officially come to a close. I want to sincerely thank all the people who have been along with me for this crazy ride. Thank you to my coaches and teammates @cliffkeenwc and @umichwrestling for preparing me on this journey. I’m going to do my part to help my teammates win gold medals in Paris!
I never expected my Olympic run to end like this. However, when life throws you curveballs, the best you can do is be grateful for the people in your life and a life well lived.
I don’t know what’s next for me. I’m going to take some time to reflect. Regardless, I’m extremely thankful for the amazing sport of wrestling!"

How sad for him and the other Israeli athletes. I'm reminded of 1972 Munich. 52 years later and we sadly still live in a world where we have to be concerned for Israeli athletes' safety.

 

[AgSurfer]

How sad for him and the other Israeli athletes. I'm reminded of 1972 Munich. 52 years later and we sadly still live in a world where we have to be concerned for Israeli athletes' safety.

Not just Israeli athletes. At the risk of being wrist slapped for posting political content, I think it’s pretty disturbing that Jewish students today have to be wary about attending classes in college. If people have issues with the actions of the Israeli government, I might not completely agree with them, but I do support their right to speak their opinions. However, when those opinions are being directed with malice towards every Jewish person on the planet, we’re backsliding into an era where a lot of innocent people were murdered for no other reason than their ancestral heritage. 😡

 

[El-Jefe]

How sad for him and the other Israeli athletes. I'm reminded of 1972 Munich. 52 years later and we sadly still live in a world where we have to be concerned for Israeli athletes' safety.

This is partly on UWW. Israeli athletes can't travel to Istanbul? Find a place where they can.

 

[Ski]

This is partly on UWW. Israeli athletes can't travel to Istanbul? Find a place where they can.

Right. The IOC is allowing Palestinian athletes to compete at the 2024 Olympics even if they don't qualify. Do something similar here. Or tell Turkey that if they don't guarantee the safety of athletes competing in their country for an Olympic spot then Turkey's athletes don't get to complete in the Olympics also.

I know, it will never happen.

Palestinian athletes will be invited to Paris Olympics if none qualify: IOC​

Between six and eight Palestinian athletes are expected to compete at the Paris Olympics, with some set to be invited by the International Olympic Committee (IOC) even if they fail to qualify, its head Thomas Bach said.

Bach told AFP on Friday that qualification events for the Paris Games, which start on July 26, were ongoing for a number of sports.

“But we have made the clear commitment that even if no (Palestinian) athlete would qualify on the field of play … then the NOC (National Olympic Committee) of Palestine would benefit from invitations, like other national Olympic Committees who do not have a qualified athlete,” he said in an interview at IOC headquarters in Lausanne, Switzerland.
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[PSUAllTheWay]

Unfortunately, the lines between free speech, protests, and violence have blurred recently to the point where nobody is necessarily safe any longer in our beloved country.

 

[psumacw]

Right. The IOC is allowing Palestinian athletes to compete at the 2024 Olympics even if they don't qualify. Do something similar here. Or tell Turkey that if they don't guarantee the safety of athletes competing in their country for an Olympic spot then Turkey's athletes don't get to complete in the Olympics also.

I know, it will never happen.

Palestinian athletes will be invited to Paris Olympics if none qualify: IOC​

Between six and eight Palestinian athletes are expected to compete at the Paris Olympics, with some set to be invited by the International Olympic Committee (IOC) even if they fail to qualify, its head Thomas Bach said.

Bach told AFP on Friday that qualification events for the Paris Games, which start on July 26, were ongoing for a number of sports.

“But we have made the clear commitment that even if no (Palestinian) athlete would qualify on the field of play … then the NOC (National Olympic Committee) of Palestine would benefit from invitations, like other national Olympic Committees who do not have a qualified athlete,” he said in an interview at IOC headquarters in Lausanne, Switzerland.
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"even if no (Palestinian) athlete would qualify on the field of play … then the NOC (National Olympic Committee) of Palestine would benefit from invitations, like other national Olympic Committees who do not have a qualified athlete".

one would have to assume that if no isreali athlete qualifies then some would still be invited.

 

[El-Jefe]

one would have to assume that if no isreali athlete qualifies then some would still be invited.

I hope so but wouldn't assume this. International athletics agencies still permit refusals to compete against Israel with no consequences for thise athletes, coaches, teams, or national sports officials.

 

[psumacw]

I hope so but wouldn't assume this. International athletics agencies still permit refusals to compete against Israel with no consequences for thise athletes, coaches, teams, or national sports officials.

isn't the consequence to the athlete/coach/team that they lose the scheduled match/game? never heard about officials but i would naively hope that the governing body would say "if you can't be impartial about this, then we can't trust your judgement otherwise. you're fired"

 

[wrestlingfan22]

isn't the consequence to the athlete/coach/team that they lose the scheduled match/game? never heard about officials but i would naively hope that the governing body would say "if you can't be impartial about this, then we can't trust your judgement otherwise. you're fired"

Yea I don’t know what punishment you would want to give an iranian wrestler who forfeits to an israeli wrestler. They are giving a free win to the israeli wrestler and forfeiting their whole tournament because israel isn’t going to bring them back through repechange

 

[CentexLion]

This is partly on UWW. Israeli athletes can't travel to Istanbul? Find a place where they can.

Or if they can’t guarantee safety, then Israel automatically qualifies an extra spot per every weight they were going to compete. And any protest forfeit, is an automatic forfeit for the entire team at that point in that tournament.

 

[Nitlion1986]

Yea I don’t know what punishment you would want to give an iranian wrestler who forfeits to an israeli wrestler. They are giving a free win to the israeli wrestler and forfeiting their whole tournament because israel isn’t going to bring them back through repechange

Forfeit over political bullshyt, forfeit your participation next time around.

 

[Sleepylion]

isn't the consequence to the athlete/coach/team that they lose the scheduled match/game? never heard about officials but i would naively hope that the governing body would say "if you can't be impartial about this, then we can't trust your judgement otherwise. you're fired"

I do not think "officials" in this case means referees. Officials meaning the president, etc. of the national govenerning body.