I cannot wait to see Haines next year he's going to be specialWell said, and maybe when Levi Haines graduates, we will fall back to the pack? See you in 5 years 😉😁
I cannot wait to see Haines next year he's going to be specialWell said, and maybe when Levi Haines graduates, we will fall back to the pack? See you in 5 years 😉😁
That's downright scary for a line up.Howard RBY Bartlett SVN Haines
Facundo Starocci Brooks Dean Kerk
see you next year !
You forgot the covid year that they are claiming.... so that makes 2.
It's actually kind of shocking to think they were able to win w/o an arena full of people crying for stalling before the whistle even blows.Fify
Gabe Dean is one tough looking dude.
Howard RBY Bartlett SVN Haines
Facundo Starocci Brooks Dean Kerk
see you next year !
@jmadden1998, it felt good for me to be able to root for a couple of your admirable Iowa wrestlers during the tourney once it was clear there were no negative PSU implications. Having a strong rival in Iowa is good for the sport and good for PSU. Thx for always being a good sport and good luck to your hawks next season.There should always be friendly banter. It makes the season more fun IMO. At the end of the day none of us decide the outcome. All of these kids pour their heart and soul into this sport and you have to respect them all. Looking forward to some great matches this evening.
Only question is what Aaron’s plans are. I’m sure he has aspirations of trying to make the next Olympic team at 86 kg. If Dean moves on, I see Beard getting his shot next year to grab a title himself. After that, I think Aaron moves up to challenge him at 197 to get his body ready for 86 kg and an Olympic run.Max Dean has been out of HS for awhile.
Remember - no RS in the Ivy League - Max wrestled for Finger Lakes WC in 2016-17.
He has now his natty - I bet he moves onto his next chapter.
But, just plug in Michael Beard.
Max Dean ....now his natty - I bet he moves onto his next chapter.
But, just plug in Michael Beard.
Carr comes in and then Haines and Facundo fight it out for 165 after a Haines RS. SVN moves up to 157 after Carr finishes. #yougotaplan??
We will make him an offer he can't refuse.What would be surprising besides RBY being back which he's left the door open to? And according to HR, we have so much money he won't be able to stay away!
Assuming no transfersLooking ahead 22/23 , Anyone willing to take a shot at the starting lineup for:
1) Iowa
2) Michigan
3) Ohio State
will look back this coming November
With the transfer rules, my hat's off to anyone that comes close . McSorley's appear solid for today.Looking ahead 22/23 , Anyone willing to take a shot at the starting lineup for:
1) Iowa
2) Michigan
3) Ohio State
will look back this coming November
If you’re correct, it seems Ohio State will have the best overall lineup of those three, IMO. Not enough to challenge Penn State next season, barring injuries, but a solid lineup with some potential for some young studs emerging.Assuming no transfers
Iowa (Pretty obvious here minus 157)
Spencer
Schriever
Henson
Murin
Reyna/Riggins/Siebrecht
Kennedy
Nelson
Abe
Warner
Cass
OSU (I think their seniors come back and Ryan sends his elite freshman out, he's ready to at least get a trophy again)
Heinselman
Bouzakis
Mendez
Sasso
Paddy
Kharchla
Smith
Romero
Hoffman
Feldman
Michigan is harder to figure out, they will decline in a big way IMO, they lose a lot but haven't particularly recruited well so I'll go off a guess from WrestleStat
Medley
Ragusin
Mattin
Lamer
Lewan
Amine
Walker
Embree
Rogers (guessing they just wrestle him)
Parris
Weird flex, but ok. I never claimed that Penn State would have lost, they'd be heavy favorites in any dual they entered. My one, sole point was that it is lame and weird the way we decide the team champion, and notably bad for the prestige of the award. I am also on the record for years and years wanting it. Penn State was great in this tournament. Starocci, in particular, looked as good as I've ever seen him. But the fact that Penn State actually won the title was when Will Lewan beat (but didn't pin) Jacori Teemer without a Penn State wrestler in sight just sucks as an idea.Over on Mat.com, someone (I think an Iowa fan, Vak Attack) claimed the following:
"Penn State won the team title 2 hours ago in front of me and about 3k people. It's silly and detrimental to the sport. Dual tournament should decide the team title."
So, I had to chime in:
Well ... Penn State beat Michigan, Iowa, Arizona State, and Nebraska in duals this year: the # 2, 3, 4, and 5 teams at NCAAs.
No need to appeal to appeal to counterfactuals. It's a done deal no matter how you figure it. The race was just for second.
I hear what you're saying but the team is competing as individuals over a 72 hour period with many other teams and you can't be there all together all the time... From a PSU perspective, those still wrestling probably don't celebrate until everyone is done wrestling.... I hear you though, was great watching Bo clinch itWeird flex, but ok. I never claimed that Penn State would have lost, they'd be heavy favorites in any dual they entered. My one, sole point was that it is lame and weird the way we decide the team champion, and notably bad for the prestige of the award. I am also on the record for years and years wanting it. Penn State was great in this tournament. Starocci, in particular, looked as good as I've ever seen him. But the fact that Penn State actually won the title was when Will Lewan beat (but didn't pin) Jacori Teemer without a Penn State wrestler in sight just sucks as an idea.
I'm the minority on this subject, including among Iowa fans, but it would be a better overall product (and make for better moments) for the title to be decided by a dual meet, where the championship team gets to storm the mat after their championship is won and celebrate.
I was in the building when Penn State won. It was a graveyard, and it takes away from our sport (IMO, and yes, I understand this is very much only my opinion). It was the same last year when Iowa won. The winning of the team championship should be an exciting moment, and in the way we do it now, it's an afterthought. Think about almost every successful sport after the team wins the championship; they're celebrating there on the field/court/playing surface. We don't get that in wrestling (for the teams; individuals obviously get it), and we could.
I don't blame the Penn State guys for not being there, most of them had matches that night they probably needed to prepare for, lol.I hear what you're saying but the team is competing as individuals over a 72 hour period with many other teams and you can't be there all together all the time... From a PSU perspective, those still wrestling probably don't celebrate until everyone is done wrestling.... I hear you though, was great watching Bo clinch it
Only half.most of them had matches that night they probably needed to prepare for, lol.
I had no idea you were on this board!Weird flex, but ok. I never claimed that Penn State would have lost, they'd be heavy favorites in any dual they entered. My one, sole point was that it is lame and weird the way we decide the team champion, and notably bad for the prestige of the award. I am also on the record for years and years wanting it. Penn State was great in this tournament. Starocci, in particular, looked as good as I've ever seen him. But the fact that Penn State actually won the title was when Will Lewan beat (but didn't pin) Jacori Teemer without a Penn State wrestler in sight just sucks as an idea.
I'm the minority on this subject, including among Iowa fans, but it would be a better overall product (and make for better moments) for the title to be decided by a dual meet, where the championship team gets to storm the mat after their championship is won and celebrate.
I was in the building when Penn State won. It was a graveyard, and it takes away from our sport (IMO, and yes, I understand this is very much only my opinion). It was the same last year when Iowa won. The winning of the team championship should be an exciting moment, and in the way we do it now, it's an afterthought. Think about almost every successful sport after the team wins the championship; they're celebrating there on the field/court/playing surface. We don't get that in wrestling (for the teams; individuals obviously get it), and we could.
All these boards are connected, lol.I had no idea you were on this board!
So beating Michigan, Iowa, and Arizona State in one seasons duels don't count?you guys just hate the dual championship idea because you'd have to admit your team isn't well rounded.
We beat the #s 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, & 7 teams in head-to-head duals this year. 8, 9 & 10 were in the same dual tourney that we won. So. . . .you guys just hate the dual championship idea because you'd have to admit your team isn't well rounded.
Don’t think he’s saying PSU aren’t really the champs this year, think he just prefers another format.We beat the #s 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, & 7 teams in head-to-head duals this year. 8, 9 & 10 were in the same dual tourney that we won. So. . . .
I have read many stupid posts on this board, but this one takes the cake. LOLyou guys just hate the dual championship idea because you'd have to admit your team isn't well rounded.
Nah, I just wanted to list out those numbers again for everyone. except we didn’t beat Northwestern, they weren’t on the schedule, so oops 😜
He was talking to Nova. LolNah, I just wanted to list out those numbers again for everyone. except we didn’t beat Northwestern, they weren’t on the schedule, so oops 😜
Oooff. That poster’s argument shall live on in the Hot Take Hall of Fame. It rivals the genius of 8 Scoring Wrestlersyou guys just hate the dual championship idea because you'd have to admit your team isn't well rounded.
LOL well well rounded enough to win 9 team titles in 11 yrs and well rounded enough to kick the crap out of every team in the country in duals so whats your point? just as I thought you have none!you guys just hate the dual championship idea because you'd have to admit your team isn't well rounded.
so I guess you were thinking this when iowa was winning all those team titles or ok state??well its always been this way!!Weird flex, but ok. I never claimed that Penn State would have lost, they'd be heavy favorites in any dual they entered. My one, sole point was that it is lame and weird the way we decide the team champion, and notably bad for the prestige of the award. I am also on the record for years and years wanting it. Penn State was great in this tournament. Starocci, in particular, looked as good as I've ever seen him. But the fact that Penn State actually won the title was when Will Lewan beat (but didn't pin) Jacori Teemer without a Penn State wrestler in sight just sucks as an idea.
I'm the minority on this subject, including among Iowa fans, but it would be a better overall product (and make for better moments) for the title to be decided by a dual meet, where the championship team gets to storm the mat after their championship is won and celebrate.
I was in the building when Penn State won. It was a graveyard, and it takes away from our sport (IMO, and yes, I understand this is very much only my opinion). It was the same last year when Iowa won. The winning of the team championship should be an exciting moment, and in the way we do it now, it's an afterthought. Think about almost every successful sport after the team wins the championship; they're celebrating there on the field/court/playing surface. We don't get that in wrestling (for the teams; individuals obviously get it), and we could.
speak upLOL well well rounded enough to win 9 team titles in 11 yrs and well rounded enough to kick the crap out of every team in the country in duals so whats your point? just as I thought you have none!
Iowa won their 24th team championship last year which was a helluva achievement. However, there were two conversation points that completely overwhelmed the 24th title. First was Penn State was 4 for 4 in the finals and if you were an HR Iowa fan second was PSU stalls and just prepares wrestlers for specific bouts while Iowa still had the better wrestlers.For myself, I never went so far as to say 4 National Champions > National Championship. What I DID say was that I thought the PSU fanbase was having a Hell of a lot more fun on that Saturday night than the Iowa fanbase and that we were able to steal some of their thunder even in a year when they won the title. I still believe those 2 comments are accurate today.
Nonetheless, the BEST is winning the title AND having 4 or 5 Champions like we will tonight!
WE ARE!!!