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OT Any career suggestions for 20 yr. old marketing major who speaks Chinese and will probably get Italian dual citizenship in a couple of months.

The dual citizenship motivation was originally mine. Here were my thoughts 1. Options are always useful. 2. I visited Italy 20 years ago and loved it. 3. Italy has free healthcare.

In other places, I asked for the downside of dual citizenship and virtually everyone said there weren't many. Obviously, foreign service work might present a downside. Would add that what, hopefully, would be my son's passport is not merely Italian, but European.

About 4 months ago, he just mentioned that he thought dual citizenship would be useful because he could combine marketing, Chinese connections and European connections. He doesn't speak Italian though.

Finally, our application is pending and it isn't a 100% a given that it will go through. Did hopefully take care of a big problem with there being no birth certificate of my father by obtaining a notarized church baptismal certificate which is 100% consistent with other records like census records and naturalization records.

Do you have to contribute (pay taxes) to be eligible for ’free’ healthcare in Italy? Do they have any kind of military conscription or mandatory public service? Some countries require participation as a citizen before getting benefits.
 
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Do you have to contribute (pay taxes) to be eligible for ’free’ healthcare in Italy? Do they have any kind of military conscription or mandatory public service? Some countries require participation as a citizen before getting benefits.
Don't know the answer to your questions. Number one on my list was having options. When the time would come, I would figure out the options.
 
The tech industry.

Google, Apple, Amazon, IBM, and quite a few others hire internationally and remotely, and a marketing degree with international bona fides are golden tickets.
I have always surmised that large tech companies don't give much credence to academic degrees. (Thinking of Steve Jobs and Bill Gates). It appears then that some of the large tech companies do give credence to undergraduate academic degrees?
 
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His language skills would probably be in big demand in the fashion industry. The Chinese have a large presence in Italy and throughout Europe.
That is interesting and useful. He has done some high end photography and produced and shot short films.
 
buck,
what does your son like to do? I'm sure you have some knowledge but with my children I started the conversation asking them what they like to do and what they would like to do and the type of lifestyle that they yearn to have. some day. You of course are in a good position to lead this discussion if he gets stuck. From this you can help brain storm some ideas that would both make them happy and afford the desired lifestyle. Further, a rough plan to achieve could be drawn up by your son, with your guidance, to achieve these goals. Use this as working guideline (do not write it down because that would make it seem to be permanent) as I suspect that it will drastically change in the next year or two. Good luck.
 
Thanks for the suggestion. My son is fairly knowledgeable about marketing analytics. In high school, he formed 2 companies to sell clothing type items through 3rd parties with his LLC acting as an intermediary. (One was a back pack for guys) We had some minor discussions about how extensive the data was and he told me something like if you looked, you could find out how many Indian men bought red backpacks on Saturday.

I will definitely tell him about your comment and company. Thanks again.
Other roles as well - like product management, acct management, and lots of variety among our ad agencies. Publicis is Paris-based.
 
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buck,
what does your son like to do? I'm sure you have some knowledge but with my children I started the conversation asking them what they like to do and what they would like to do and the type of lifestyle that they yearn to have. some day. You of course are in a good position to lead this discussion if he gets stuck. From this you can help brain storm some ideas that would both make them happy and afford the desired lifestyle. Further, a rough plan to achieve could be drawn up by your son, with your guidance, to achieve these goals. Use this as working guideline (do not write it down because that would make it seem to be permanent) as I suspect that it will drastically change in the next year or two. Good luck.
When my son was 8 years old he wrote something saying that he wanted to be a director of Star Wars movies. By the eighth grade, he had already written and produced one short film. He is a weird combination of someone with a motor that never stops (he is always working on projects) and an outgoing, generous person. He spent the early part of January visiting a classmate in Colorado to produce a ski clothing marketing short film, and his friend's father commented to me that he would be happy to see Tim (not real name) again because Tim cooked a Chinese meal and helped with the cooking on other days.

I can gently raise these issues, but he will ultimately go his own way. If I have practical suggestions for him, I am sure he will appreciate them.

On my end, in my legal career, I have seen on multiple occasions how easy it is for some people and hard for others. For instance, about 5 years ago a friend who was a probate magistrate mentioned to me that if I wanted to represent people alleged to be incompetent, he could get me the hearings and I would make $20,000 or $40,000 per year on those hearings. I didn't do it because I just didn't like that kind of work and didn't want to owe him a favor.
 
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That is interesting and useful. He has done some high end photography and produced and shot short films.
I don’t have a deep knowledge of the private equity world in Europe, but I assume it’s somewhat similar to the US. With his skills and entrepreneurial drive, he might want to try and get in with a PE backed company as early as he can in his career. That way, he can rise up in that world versus some large bureaucratic company and get equity at a young age.

One of my boys is 32 and has now worked for two PE backed companies. He’s a VP but doesn’t have any equity. His company is for sale and he has a stay bonus, and will get equity with the new company. He just turned down an equity role with a VC backed start up.

PE isn’t for everyone, but if he is smart, has high drive, entrepreneurial, and can thrive in a results driven environment, he should look at PE backed companies.
 
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I don’t have a deep knowledge of the private equity world in Europe, but I assume it’s somewhat similar to the US. With his skills and entrepreneurial drive, he might want to try and get in with a PE backed company as early as he can in his career. That way, he can rise up in that world versus some large bureaucratic company and get equity at a young age.

One of my boys is 32 and has now worked for two PE backed companies. He’s a VP but doesn’t have any equity. His company is for sale and he has a stay bonus, and will get equity with the new company. He just turned down an equity role with a VC backed start up.

PE isn’t for everyone, but if he is smart, has high drive, entrepreneurial, and can thrive in a results driven environment, he should look at PE backed companies.
Thanks a lot. You pretty much described my son. About a year ago, the son of my former boss described a similar situation.
 
He will not necessarily be asked to renounce his dual citizenship. It largely depends upon who he works for and the country the citizenship is through. If he wanted to do some sort of intel. work for the US govt. and maintain his dual citizenship he might be better off working for a contractor. Regardless, unlike has been stated above, dual citizenship does not automatically disqualify one from jobs in the IC.
Thanks for clarifying. I couldn’t remember the specifics.
 
My son is starting his junior year in college and has a somewhat different background than a lot of 20 year-olds. Will add that his academic record is also very good. While in high school he started two llc businesses that didn't make money (obviously, we can all learn from out mistakes) -- he is impatient to get on with a career and job. He did specifically mention to me that he hopes to leverage his Chinese skills and potential Italian citizenship with his marketing background.

I am thinking that there are undoubtedly people here who have had unusual as well as successful career paths and that I may be able to obtain ideas that will hopefully point him away from dead ends and towards areas where he can be useful and successful.
My son is starting his junior year in college and has a somewhat different background than a lot of 20 year-olds. Will add that his academic record is also very good. While in high school he started two llc businesses that didn't make money (obviously, we can all learn from out mistakes) -- he is impatient to get on with a career and job. He did specifically mention to me that he hopes to leverage his Chinese skills and potential Italian citizenship with his marketing background.

I am thinking that there are undoubtedly people here who have had unusual as well as successful career paths and that I may be able to obtain ideas that will hopefully point him away from dead ends and towards areas where he can be useful and successful.
Marry Rich! The rest will workout....
 
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Screw marketing. JPM wants to go into China- call them up n help Jamie out. I am serious. They’ll need people w language skills and take it from there
 
He will not necessarily be asked to renounce his dual citizenship. It largely depends upon who he works for and the country the citizenship is through. If he wanted to do some sort of intel. work for the US govt. and maintain his dual citizenship he might be better off working for a contractor. Regardless, unlike has been stated above, dual citizenship does not automatically disqualify one from jobs in the IC.

What is the ‘IC’?
 
My son is starting his junior year in college and has a somewhat different background than a lot of 20 year-olds. Will add that his academic record is also very good. While in high school he started two llc businesses that didn't make money (obviously, we can all learn from out mistakes) -- he is impatient to get on with a career and job. He did specifically mention to me that he hopes to leverage his Chinese skills and potential Italian citizenship with his marketing background.

I am thinking that there are undoubtedly people here who have had unusual as well as successful career paths and that I may be able to obtain ideas that will hopefully point him away from dead ends and towards areas where he can be useful and successful.
Technical company? Speaking Italian also opens up Switzerland. Many tech companies have manufacturing facilities in Switzerland. Many opportunities in all facets of those businesses.
 
Technical company? Speaking Italian also opens up Switzerland. Many tech companies have manufacturing facilities in Switzerland. Many opportunities in all facets of those businesses.
Interesting note about Switzerland. However, my son only speaks English and Chinese.
 
Interesting note about Switzerland. However, my son only speaks English and Chinese.
Sorry. I read the post in haste. I saw Italy and for some reason, I thought that he spoke Italian. Many Swiss people speak at least 3 or 4 languages. Swiss Deutsch, Italian, French, and English. I had a long conversation with a Swiss citizen who spoke eight. Obviously I was impressed because I struggle to speak one. ;)
 
Good idea but he is more of a people person. He is very good at math (34 ACT) but has never really gotten into it.
Does he like to interpret? A bit more of a reach, but some device manufacturers would most likely create a role for someone that speaks English and Chinese (Mandarin?). Especially if he could interface between Engineers, and or Doctors. I'm guessing they would be willing to pay for Medical Terminology course(s). That's just one example. Many US companies may be interested in someone with such skills that is already living abroad.
 
Does he like to interpret? A bit more of a reach, but some device manufacturers would most likely create a role for someone that speaks English and Chinese (Mandarin?). Especially if he could interface between Engineers, and or Doctors. I'm guessing they would be willing to pay for Medical Terminology course(s). That's just one example. Many US companies may be interested in someone with such skills that is already living abroad.
That is something he could do. My guess is that he would prefer to do it in the context of business deals rather than pure interpretation. Also, right now although his Chinese is pretty good, it is not good enough for translation.
 
That is something he could do. My guess is that he would prefer to do it in the context of business deals rather than pure interpretation. Also, right now although his Chinese is pretty good, it is not good enough for translation.
Many of the overseas assignments are on the revenue side. Some are prepped to come back stateside after a long overseas assignment to play a significant role in sales/ marketing/ upper level management.
 
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For those that haven't traveled overseas on business...almost everyone in the business world speaks english. How do you think the Koreans do business with the Sweds? How about the Japanese doing business with the French, or the Germans doing business with the Russians? It all takes place in English. Different dialects of Chinese speak to each other in English.
 
My son is starting his junior year in college and has a somewhat different background than a lot of 20 year-olds. Will add that his academic record is also very good. While in high school he started two llc businesses that didn't make money (obviously, we can all learn from out mistakes) -- he is impatient to get on with a career and job. He did specifically mention to me that he hopes to leverage his Chinese skills and potential Italian citizenship with his marketing background.

I am thinking that there are undoubtedly people here who have had unusual as well as successful career paths and that I may be able to obtain ideas that will hopefully point him away from dead ends and towards areas where he can be useful and successful.

He should help CN based companies figure out how to build their global brands in the US and EU.
 
For those that haven't traveled overseas on business...almost everyone in the business world speaks english. How do you think the Koreans do business with the Sweds? How about the Japanese doing business with the French, or the Germans doing business with the Russians? It all takes place in English. Different dialects of Chinese speak to each other in English.
I have not traveled on business, but I constantly still hear people on the technical side (Product development, Quality, Manufacturing) say that they want/ value people that can help with language scenarios. They love it when people are multilingual.

When Engineers, technicians, etc. come stateside to interact with technicians stateside , engineers from China, Brazil, etc. often speak English. However, It is still helpful to have someone else that can assist. That has been my very limited experience(s).

Professionals that publish technical manuals and regulatory literature seem to always be looking for people.

Just random Ideas from a poster with a limited perspective.
 
I have not traveled on business, but I constantly still hear people on the technical side (Product development, Quality, Manufacturing) say that they want/ value people that can help with language scenarios. They love it when people are multilingual.

When Engineers, technicians, etc. come stateside to interact with technicians stateside , engineers from China, Brazil, etc. often speak English. However, It is still helpful to have someone else that can assist. That has been my very limited experience(s).

Professionals that publish technical manuals and regulatory literature seem to always be looking for people.

Just random Ideas from a poster with a limited perspective.
Agree. I didn't say there is no value in speaking Chinese, there just isn't nearly as much value as speaking English.
 
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The dual citizenship motivation was originally mine. Here were my thoughts 1. Options are always useful. 2. I visited Italy 20 years ago and loved it. 3. Italy has free healthcare.

In other places, I asked for the downside of dual citizenship and virtually everyone said there weren't many. Obviously, foreign service work might present a downside. Would add that what, hopefully, would be my son's passport is not merely Italian, but European.

About 4 months ago, he just mentioned that he thought dual citizenship would be useful because he could combine marketing, Chinese connections and European connections. He doesn't speak Italian though.

Finally, our application is pending and it isn't a 100% a given that it will go through. Did hopefully take care of a big problem with there being no birth certificate of my father by obtaining a notarized church baptismal certificate which is 100% consistent with other records like census records and naturalization records.
Did you get Italian citizenship through the jure sanguinis ancestry process? I'm exploring the same thing and have just started the document collection process. I know it can be a long, tedious road to finishing the process but my mindset is similar to yours, it opens up potential options all throughout the EU and the possibility of free healthcare is very enticing. I'd love to hear any suggestions you may have about the process if this is indeed the same path to citizenship that you took.
 
The biggest issue in the global economy right now and in the future is logistics. Might not be sexy, but pay is very high.
Logistics is basically a marketing/sales with a systematic return for those offers. And the cool thing, some times you are on both ends of the chain.

might not be sexy, but it’s fun and challenging while making great money.
 
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Did you get Italian citizenship through the jure sanguinis ancestry process? I'm exploring the same thing and have just started the document collection process. I know it can be a long, tedious road to finishing the process but my mindset is similar to yours, it opens up potential options all throughout the EU and the possibility of free healthcare is very enticing. I'd love to hear any suggestions you may have about the process if this is indeed the same path to citizenship that you took.
I tried PM you on this board and give you some suggestions, but I couldn't figure out how to start a conversation. Two people PMed me yesterday, but I can't find out how to start a conversation. You can start a conversation with me or maybe someone can tell me how to start a conversation with you.

Yes I am going through jure sanguinis through my grandfather and father. My 2 top suggestions. 1. Register with your Consulate. There is no downside and currently there are long wait times. 2. Get certified birth certificate of the Italian ancestor who came from Italy to the US. (Can give you name of someone who will get for you through PM)

Have other suggestions and am happy to answer whatever questions you have.
 
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Agree. I didn't say there is no value in speaking Chinese, there just isn't nearly as much value as speaking English.
Sorry, I suck at communication at times. I agree with much of what you said. I was just trying to point out that there is still a need/ demand for people that speak multiple languages. Especially in many tech/ manufacturing areas.
 
My son is starting his junior year in college and has a somewhat different background than a lot of 20 year-olds. Will add that his academic record is also very good. While in high school he started two llc businesses that didn't make money (obviously, we can all learn from out mistakes) -- he is impatient to get on with a career and job. He did specifically mention to me that he hopes to leverage his Chinese skills and potential Italian citizenship with his marketing background.

I am thinking that there are undoubtedly people here who have had unusual as well as successful career paths and that I may be able to obtain ideas that will hopefully point him away from dead ends and towards areas where he can be useful and successful.
Counter intelligence possible too…FBI, CIA
 
Counter intelligence possible too…FBI, CIA
As of like two or three years ago(?), the FBI was looking to fill like 900+ positions. I was told that it is rare that they have that many positions to fill. Not sure what the need is now.

IIRC they are often looking for a different skill set than a traditional police officer/ LEO.
 
As of like two or three years ago(?), the FBI was looking to fill like 900+ positions. I was told that it is rare that they have that many positions to fill. Not sure what the need is now.

IIRC they are often looking for a different skill set than a traditional police officer/ LEO.
For Special Agent (1811) positions, FBI typically has about ten different job postings for a varying different backgrounds/experience.
 
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