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Midnighter2 said:
Juicy new article from the AV Club - says ScarJo missed out on a potential $50mm in bonuses. Marvel producer in chief Kevin Feige not happy with Disney…

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Kevin Feige reportedly "angry" about Scarlett Johansson situation — The A.V. Club

There’s probably no film producer on the planet with more power and influence than Kevin Feige. As the mastermind behind the Marvel Cinematic Universe, Feige has become one of the industry’s sole movie producers—not a writer, not a director, but a producer—with brand name appeal, a potency he’s...
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I just saw that. WOW is an understatement.
 
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Disney really screwed up. They know they'll be settling, doing it in public just makes them look petty and idiotic. That statement they released was beyond in poor taste, trying to shame a woman over her earnings. Have you seen what they paid Downey and other male stars?
 
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The mouse does not have a good record when it comes to this stuff. Look up Alan Dean Foster and Disney if you want an interesting story about how the mouse tried to scr*w him. [he's wrriten quite a few movie novelizations.]
 
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BBrown said:
And some of the best Star Wars sequels. Splinter of the Minds Eye was excellent.
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That's the one that caused the issue. Disney said they didn't have to pay him royalties thru some legal maneuvering.
 
91Joe95 said:
Disney really screwed up. They know they'll be settling, doing it in public just makes them look petty and idiotic. That statement they released was beyond in poor taste, trying to shame a woman over her earnings. Have you seen what they paid Downey and other male stars?
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I’d wager ScarJo makes more than pretty much everyone other than Downey and maybe Evan’s. Would be an interesting list. Downey has perks the others don’t because he was first though; so, not fair to compare to him. I’m gonna dig a bit to see…
 
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Midnighter2 said:
I’d wager ScarJo makes more than pretty much everyone other than Downey and maybe Evan’s. Would be an interesting list. Downey has perks the others don’t because he was first though; so, not fair to compare to him. I’m gonna dig a bit to see…
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Okay, quick check says the top Marvel earners are:

1. Chris Hemsworth
2. RDJ
3. Bradley Cooper (?)
4. ScarJo

She likely earned (or was scheduled to earn) a bunch because she's a producer on Black Widow. Honestly, the sheer amount of 'funny money' going on with Avengers salaries is bonkers. RDJ made $20mm up front on End Game, Hemsworth, ScarJo, Renner, and Ruffalo all got $15mm. But, RDJ also got something like 8% on the back end which netted him another $55mm. If I were ScarJo, I would have sued over them killing off Black Widow.
 
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Midnighter2 said:
Okay, quick check says the top Marvel earners are:

1. Chris Hemsworth
2. RDJ
3. Bradley Cooper (?)
4. ScarJo

She likely earned (or was scheduled to earn) a bunch because she's a producer on Black Widow. Honestly, the sheer amount of 'funny money' going on with Avengers salaries is bonkers. RDJ made $20mm up front on End Game, Hemsworth, ScarJo, Renner, and Ruffalo all got $15mm. But, RDJ also got something like 8% on the back end which netted him another $55mm. If I were ScarJo, I would have sued over them killing off Black Widow.
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That’s just it. Elizabeth Olsen and the dude who plays Loki stand to make a fortune when their movie sequels land in the coming years. It’s a money printing machine.
 
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WestSideLion said:
That’s just it. Elizabeth Olsen and the dude who plays Loki stand to make a fortune when their movie sequels land in the coming years. It’s a money printing machine.
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Which is why my reaction to ScarJo suing Disney was basically....'you sure you want to do that?'....

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Midnighter2 said:
Which is why my reaction to ScarJo suing Disney was basically....'you sure you want to do that?'....

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Given her history, she may simply be taking a stand on principle.

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Scarlett Johansson Speaks Out About Hollywood Wage Gap, Sexism

The star is the highest-grossing actress of all time.
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Scarlett Johansson says women ‘are undermined, underserved, under-appreciated and underpaid’

Black Widow star opens up about ‘fighting that damn fight’ against sexism
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Of course, she may also recognize the political reality better than Disney.

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Groups denounce Disney's Black Widow response as a "gendered character attack"

Times Up, ReFrame, and Women In Film have issued a joint statement today, denouncing Disney's response to the recent Scarlett Johansson Black Widow lawsuit as a "gendered character attack."
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91Joe95 said:
Given her history, she may simply be taking a stand on principle.

abcnews.go.com

Scarlett Johansson Speaks Out About Hollywood Wage Gap, Sexism

The star is the highest-grossing actress of all time.
abcnews.go.com abcnews.go.com

www.google.com

Scarlett Johansson says women ‘are undermined, underserved, under-appreciated and underpaid’

Black Widow star opens up about ‘fighting that damn fight’ against sexism
www.google.com www.google.com

Of course, she may also recognize the political reality better than Disney.

gizmodo.com

AMP: Robots Make a Hell of a Friend (And a Pretty Good Soldier)

AMP is a pretty engaging sci-fi short written and directed by Adam Marisett for Triton Films. It's set in a world where giant robots can be your best
gizmodo.com gizmodo.com

www.avclub.com

Groups denounce Disney's Black Widow response as a "gendered character attack"

Times Up, ReFrame, and Women In Film have issued a joint statement today, denouncing Disney's response to the recent Scarlett Johansson Black Widow lawsuit as a "gendered character attack."
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Maybe - but the legal reality is more important IMO. Will be interesting to see what happens…might be that Disney caves, but if they do, deals will get worse for actors going forward IMO.
 
Midnighter2 said:
Maybe - but the legal reality is more important IMO. Will be interesting to see what happens…might be that Disney caves, but if they do, deals will get worse for actors going forward IMO.
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Interestingly, she just announced a cosmetics line. A business school classmate is her partner on it. I’m sure she has more money than she’ll need and investments galore. This smacks completely of principle. Good for her.
 
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WestSideLion said:
Interestingly, she just announced a cosmetics line. A business school classmate is her partner on it. I’m sure she has more money than she’ll need and investments galore. This smacks completely of principle. Good for her.
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I'm not convinced ScarJo is as altruistic as you say; certainly, this is also about money. But, she should get whatever she's entitled to. I do think it will be difficult for her to have a court agree that Marvel 'intentionally tried to limit her earnings by releasing on their streaming service' since they waited nearly a year to release the movie at all. And, the movie did not do well at the box office (comparatively speaking) after the first week. So, she's going to have to prove how much more money she would have earned if the movie wasn't also released on Disney+, while responding to the mostly 'meh' reviews that would suggest the movie wasn't going to make massive numbers to begin with. Disney should have restructured her deal to give her the same cut of streaming purchases.
 
I am a little curious about the attempt to renegotiate the contract. She certainly wasn’t going to renegotiate for less $. My guess is that her agents and lawyers had an “oh sh*t“ moment when the realized what was going on. Now they trying to cover their asses by trying to get some kind of settlement.
 
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Lionguy32 said:
I am a little curious about the attempt to renegotiate the contract. She certainly wasn’t going to renegotiate for less $. My guess is that her agents and lawyers had an “oh sh*t“ moment when the realized what was going on. Now they trying to cover their asses by trying to get some kind of settlement.
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Was almost certainly to get her a bigger piece of the streaming revenue from Disney+ Premier purchases. It's tough for her to get a lot of sympathy, during a pandemic, over *only* making $20mm+ on this movie as opposed to maybe $10mm more or so (this wasn't going to make End Game number no matter when it was released), and the pivot is to play up that she's making a fuss on principle and by going public she increases the likelihood Disney will settle.

Disney sat on this movie for over a year to give it a theatrical release; they could have released it anytime earlier on Disney+ if they wanted. Once it was relatively safe to do so, they released in movies to a very solid opening weekend. It dropped off big time after. For her to get what she wants, she will have to prove Disney acted maliciously (which is what she contends) despite their 10 year relationship and the fact that they delayed the opening by over a year to give it the best chance of success in the theaters (which gets her the most money). I think they maybe could have given BW a 30 day theater exclusive, but that limits their ability to synergize marketing efforts to make money (which, all else aside, they are allowed to do).

Here is her claim:

“Disney intentionally induced Marvel’s breach of the agreement, without justification, in order to prevent Ms. Johansson from realizing the full benefit of her bargain with Marvel,” the suit said."

I'd say a pandemic is justification.
 
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Midnighter2 said:
I'm not convinced ScarJo is as altruistic as you say; certainly, this is also about money. But, she should get whatever she's entitled to. I do think it will be difficult for her to have a court agree that Marvel 'intentionally tried to limit her earnings by releasing on their streaming service' since they waited nearly a year to release the movie at all. And, the movie did not do well at the box office (comparatively speaking) after the first week. So, she's going to have to prove how much more money she would have earned if the movie wasn't also released on Disney+, while responding to the mostly 'meh' reviews that would suggest the movie wasn't going to make massive numbers to begin with. Disney should have restructured her deal to give her the same cut of streaming purchases.
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I don’t think “principle” equates to altruism for gender or others. I think this is all about her belief in getting what she feels is her she. And if she feels that strongly about it, then good for her. It’s her money going to legal fees. I have no dog in this fight.
 
ScarJo aside, Disney is know in the industry for being extremely legal and go after people at every turn. They have put a lot of contractors out of business that do work for them as Disney goes after everybody legally as they have the $$ and great lawyers and crush people contractually. Not talking Hollywood actors, talking contractors and companies that do work and projects for Disney, they are a nightmare to work for.
 
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ScarJo aside, Disney is know in the industry for being extremely legal and go after people at every turn. They have put a lot of contractors out of business that do work for them as Disney goes after everybody legally as they have the $$ and great lawyers and crush people contractually. Not talking Hollywood actors, talking contractors and companies that do work and projects for Disney, they are a nightmare to work for.
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Sorry - find this hard to believe. I’m sure they’re no more ruthless than any other company in the same business. The Rock and Lin-Manuel Miranda continue to work for them.
 
Midnighter2 said:
Sorry - find this hard to believe. I’m sure they’re no more ruthless than any other company in the same business. The Rock and Lin-Manuel Miranda continue to work for them.
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Rock and Lin Manuel are entertainers. I am talking about construction contractors and other general service companies that do work for Disney parks and other Disney activities. Not talking about actors.
 
Again...this is going to be a landmark shift in how Hollywood Actor/Actress contracts are written. Nobody ever cared about direct release to PPV before as it never happened with big movies. So those types of things were not in contracts. I am 100% sure that from this point forward every contract with an actor/actress will be written differently to deal with streaming revenue and how they get a piece of it.
 
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Cletus11 said:
Again...this is going to be a landmark shift in how Hollywood Actor/Actress contracts are written. Nobody ever cared about direct release to PPV before as it never happened with big movies. So those types of things were not in contracts. I am 100% sure that from this point forward every contract with an actor/actress will be written differently to deal with streaming revenue and how they get a piece of it.
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I don’t disagree. But, Disney + is unique in that unlike other streaming services, they can tell you *exactly* how much money they made from Black Widow sales since it is a separate purchase on the D+ platform. So far, other streaming services don’t do this. Makes getting ‘back end’ profits on movies with D+ unique right now. What may happen is instead of more power going to actors, it goes to studios - Disney/Marvel just hired a relative unknown to be their big bad for the foreseeable future. The IP is where it’s at now.
 
Midnighter2 said:
I don’t disagree. But, Disney + is unique in that unlike other streaming services, they can tell you *exactly* how much money they made from Black Widow sales since it is a separate purchase on the D+ platform. So far, other streaming services don’t do this. Makes getting ‘back end’ profits on movies with D+ unique right now. What may happen is instead of more power going to actors, it goes to studios - Disney/Marvel just hired a relative unknown to be their big bad for the foreseeable future. The IP is where it’s at now.
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Agree but you don't think that Amazon Prime and Netflix and Paramount and HBOMax are all seeing what Disney just did. They will follow suit for their next movie releases also and make them PPV for the first X weeks before migrating over to the just subscription portion of the library.

I do agree that I think the days of big movie actors commanding crazy money is probably going to decrease as I think the pure amount of movies decrease as the money will be more in shows like the Mandalorian and other 5-10 episode recurring yearly shows that can get the subscription money. And those shows don't require big name actors/actress to draw people into watch them.
 
here is where the money is going: content. I've always thought the the writers and accessory people get short changed while the "star" makes millions upon millions. For example, if ScarJo got $20m, what did the writer, sound production, animators get? I understand that her "name" got a lot of viewers but anyone could have played that part just as well.

Reese Witherspoon’s Hello Sunshine to Be Sold to Media Company Backed by Blackstone (for $900,000,000)​

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91Joe95 said:
It's on like donkey kong.

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Scarlett Johansson and Disney's war of words escalates in 'Black Widow' lawsuit

Scarlett Johansson and Disney's war of words is escalating in the star's 'Black Widow' lawsuit as Disney attempts to push the case out of court.
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What sucks is I finally watched Black Widow (I bought for $29.99 on iTunes - hope ScarJo got her cut!) and thought it was really, really good (one minor complaint notwithstanding). I thought it was pretty smart to put this movie where they did sequentially (and in a universe with Gods and Hulks, it's hard to lower the stakes) and they did a nice job of staying in their zone so to speak while still having a bunch of the great, over the top Marvel set pieces everyone loves. ScarJo was great, again, as Black Widow, but her 'family' - especially Florence Pugh as Yelena and David Harbour as Red Guardian were fantastic and totally primed for a sequel (I mean, they could make a whole Marvel spy franchise with Pugh and Johansson that would be kick ass I think). Even though Pugh will likely fill the BW role going forward in the Thunderbolts or Avengers or whatever team they decide to go with now that the Avengers are mostly over, it would have been great to have ScarJo around as BW - she really owns the role and you can tell put a lot into it. Shame things ended the way they did - but, she will really burn Disney/Marvel's ball hair if she signs for a major role with Warner Bros. and DC Comics (noting outside of Wonder Woman, Harley Quinn, and maybe Batgirl, there aren't a lot of high profile, well known female DC Comics characters for her to take - maybe a cool take on Zatanna). Ah well.

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