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OT: Here is an excellent take on spike in school shootings from Malcolm Gladwell

Except violent video games and movies are available all over the world. Kids in Japan, Korea, and Europe play as much or more than Americans. There is something there much harder to get, but no one in America wants to talk about that. It's like trying to eliminate the opioid crisis without addressing the drugs.

No one in America wants to talk about gun ownership restrictions? It seems to me that is discussed constantly. The reason many folks like myself don't buy into your solution is because I don't believe it to be a realistic solution. There are around 300 million guns in this country last I saw. You aren't eliminating them, nor are you really even going to realistically make them difficult to obtain. Just look at the kid in the latest shooting, he used a shotgun and a revolver. Are we taking those away? Almost nobody would support taking those away, yet even if we did, there are so many of them and so many people who would hide them and never give them up that it would be incredibly easy to locate those weapons if you wanted to do something like these kids have done at these schools.

We may disagree on whether guns can be made difficult to obtain, but it's not that we don't consider it or weight its merits, its that we don't think it would work. I think overhauling how we handle the mentally ill is a better starting point with much better odds of actually producing results.
 
No one in America wants to talk about gun ownership restrictions? It seems to me that is discussed constantly. The reason many folks like myself don't buy into your solution is because I don't believe it to be a realistic solution. There are around 300 million guns in this country last I saw. You aren't eliminating them, nor are you really even going to realistically make them difficult to obtain. Just look at the kid in the latest shooting, he used a shotgun and a revolver. Are we taking those away? Almost nobody would support taking those away, yet even if we did, there are so many of them and so many people who would hide them and never give them up that it would be incredibly easy to locate those weapons if you wanted to do something like these kids have done at these schools.

We may disagree on whether guns can be made difficult to obtain, but it's not that we don't consider it or weight its merits, its that we don't think it would work. I think overhauling how we handle the mentally ill is a better starting point with much better odds of actually producing results.

When I say 'talk', I mean talk seriously - not political rhetoric or posturing. You can't talk about anything as far as legislation goes unless you have both parties willing to talk. That aside, I haven't proposed a solution - I simply said guns are a component and should be a part of any 'solution'. I'd like to see things like investment in smart/biometric technology so people without access to guns can't steal or take them for improper use. And now that the 'good guy with a gun' solution proved pretty worthless in Santa Fe, we're now onto dealing with this as a mental health crisis. I agree there too - but lately, it's a Catch 22. Certainly, anyone willing to take a gun and commit mass murder has mental issues, but with Santa Fe and Vegas, there aren't any tangible signs of mental illness to treat before they commit said horrible act. Both unassuming, regular people for the most part without any red flags. It's only after they commit a horrible act that people want to address their 'mental illness'. Of course, there are instances where there were obvious and visible signs of mental illness and looking into providing precautionary treatment there is worthwhile and appropriate. Additionally, listening to NPR's discussion on shootings this morning one commentator sent an email noting their school does not have a school psychologist, but does have armed guards. What does that say?

We both agree on lots of points. I never said or suggested gun legislation was the be all end all of this problem. It isn't. But, we should be able to look there for ways to make access more difficult to folks who should not have weapons, hold those accountable who are careless with the safety and security of their firearms (so, parents who are oblivious to the fact that their son took a shotgun and pistol from them), and invest in biometric/smart gun technology so only lawful owners/users can fire them. I also think schools need to be physically safer, and mental health solutions should be de-stigmatized and offered as early and often as possible.
 
This is an article from National Review using excerpts from a Gladwell article from a few years ago. Basic premise is with each successive shooting the "social threshold" lowers for the next individual. He points to Columbine as the major pivot point. Deeply interesting and disturbing at the same time.

https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/why-do-mass-shootings-happen-best-explanation/

THIS IS AMERICA

288 school shootings in USA since 2009. That's 57 times more than other Countries - COMBINED!

THIS IS AMERICA

https://www.cnn.com/2018/05/21/us/school-shooting-us-versus-world-trnd/index.html

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Wasn’t there a shooter on the Hub lawn back in the mid 90’s. Had a hunting rifle and took a shot or two from the bushes. rOTC guy was walking by when it happened and wrestled the gun from him before anybody got hit with a bullet. Anybody else remember that
Actually the shooter was a she and she killed one and shot another.
 
The “cure”, my friends, is to stop media coverage of these events. Just announce that they are occuring at XYZ school, but provide no “glory” coverage of the shooters.
This. In today's society with so many people famous for no real reason, everyone is looking to be known. These kids are all outcasts and want people to know them and remember them. They should get that generic facebook profile silhouette picture on the evening news and be named just like hurricanes.
School shooter Ava.
School Shooter Bilko.
School Shooter Casper. Right down the line... Actually most of these shooters are men - make them all generic feminine names just for an extra kick in the nuts to their glory. School Shooter Cinderella. School Shooter Daisy....
 
Melania Spalla is the name of the woman who died. A 21 y.o. senior. She was from Altoona.

Brandon Malovrh was truly a hero. Not only did he disarm the shooter, but he then used his belt as a tourniquet around the shooter's leg, after she stabbed herself - while trying to stab him.

Link to Collegian story: http://www.collegian.psu.edu/archives/article_04f66e62-b08c-57e9-853e-a33e7c002edc.html
I remember it well. I regret this problem will continue to get worse [I'd like to add "before it gets better", but I see no cause for confidence]. Alot of you guys have shared thoughtful and valuable ideas, but I think three in particular (in addition to Gladwell's) resonate with me:

The first is that not enough people are willing to make it their problem. Sure, people are willing to talk about these situations when they arise and all or nearly all of us would love to see a meaningful change and be part of it. But an extremely slim minority of all of us is truly devoted to achieving a solution. That suggests to me that we're far from a tipping point where enough of us are willing to do what it takes to even start addressing this.

The second is that this is an extremely complicated issue and few are truly prepared to discuss it at this time. And even the framing of the issues and discussions of solutions (while again, thoughtful) seems too narrow. Gun control, security, mental health and support for social outcasts would be one heck of a start. But what about religion? What about parenting? What about the first amendment, the extremity of messages, the polarization of politics and disenfranchisement and the glorification of individual achievement, including horrific ones ranging from real (or fictional) wars to these incidents? What about over-consumption, overpopulation and mechanization of many jobs our bodies were meant to perform? And what about the fact that these incidents are essentially just stacking the odds while hunting one another?

The third is that, although there was an element of levity in his post, psuro hit on one of the biggest solutions. These people are outcasts. They are not accepted or appreciated or in many cases welcomed (or feel welcomed). They're not getting laid (and many of these crazies watch A LOT of porn--not a problem in itself but like all vices ...). We're really complicated beings, in terms of our social instincts, our emotions, our sex drives... Look at the crap that happens when stuff goes bonkers with peoples' sex drives. People who fit in and are getting laid, aren't stacking the odds and hunting one another. Geez, talk about a complicated basket of stuff NOBODY wants to touch (not even me. I'm embarrassed for even writing that.)

Security and metal detectors in schools? A good start until there's a line of 50 students waiting in the school yard to get in when the firing starts.

Armed guards in schools? A good start but not a solution to the causes of the problem. Besides, tied it. Didn't work so well. Legit concern in not killing an innocent kid.

Gun control? Sounds good to me, especially making it harder for proven dangerous people. But with 300 Million + guns in the country? Come on. It's a thing but it's a partial solution at best and it's not the biggest part.
 
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How about people being nice to other people. Most schools state they have no tolerance for bullying, but it happens. Was this kid identified?
 
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