I'm minded of Tom Clancy's comment: "The difference between reality and fiction is that fiction has to make sense."
OT: Hunting Hitler
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Here's why I keep an open mind.
1. General Zhukov told the boss he could not confirm Hitler's whereabouts.You don't lie to the boss, especially when it's Joe freaking Stalin! 'Nough said.
2. What benefit would Stalin have by keeping it a secret. You would think he would attach Hitler's skull atop a pole and parade it through Red Square in order to placate the masses.
3. There existed a network the "rat tunnels" through to Italy and Spain. Nazi war criminals used them successfully to escape Europe. See Joseph Mengele. So why not the head cheese.
4. There a significant German community exists in South America, many of whom were wealthy and Nazi sympathizers. Spain's Franco and Argentina's Peron were Nazi sympathizers. So why not consider they aided and abetted the biggest fugitive of all time.
5. The FBI bothered to investigate it. Never mind these file were sealed for all these years.
6. And here's the biggest one, the MSM perpetuated the lie about Paterno and yet some of younz pin your doubts on 'Hunting Hitler' being a fools errand, just because the MSM doesn't cover it. Simply astounding! Some of you never learn.
This is not true. His biographer John Toland interviewed people who were in the bunker at the time of his death, those who heard the gunshot, found the body and burned it. The standard story about his death comes from, as best as I can tell, people who were there. A simple Wiki search collaborates this. Is it a true story? Given no compelling reason to think otherwise, I'll accept it. Think of the lost Nazis that people were searching for after the war, Mengle and Bormann. If there was any question about Hitler surviving Berlin, why those two and not Hitler? Nah. Hitler was a sick man when he shot himself. No way he could possibly have gone into secure hiding out of Berlin.
Also, Goebbels was in the bunker also and he and his family took cyanide; these bodies were found. If Hitler had gotten out via tunnels, as suggested, they why did Goebbels stay behind and kill himself?
So there is a 2nd gunman after all!
And, according to this show, maybe a 3rd, a 4th, a 5th, and maybe a 6th if they can find more sponsors to pay money!!
Total BS show.
Hitler even said they don't have all the facts right.
He's now too busy having Nazi nurse-maids change his depends!!
And, according to this show, maybe a 3rd, a 4th, a 5th, and maybe a 6th if they can find more sponsors to pay money!!
Total BS show.
Hitler even said they don't have all the facts right.
He's now too busy having Nazi nurse-maids change his depends!!
All the talk of aliens and grassy knolls does nothing to improve the conversation. Braying jackasses.
You forgot Cooking and Weather (whether the channel actually shows any weather is highly questionable)
The FACT that Hitler didn't bring any of his closest aides on his elaborate "escape" plan (Bormann, Speer, Goering, and especially Goebbels) and that they chose to try and run above ground from the bunker (Bormann shot dead), or surrender (Goring, Speer) or kill themselves (Goebbels) makes this extremely unlikely. Also, a psychological "autopsy" of Hitler would suggest he knew he was extremely sick, knew there would be no way of resurrecting the cause in South America, and was extremely paranoid of being captured.
Don't buy that the Russians would just give up the man hunt if they thought Hitler was not among the charred bodies. So his remains are not there and they just say that's OK let's stop looking for him. Don't you think after all the misery he inflicted on the Russian Army and the people that they would have searched the ends of the earth if they thought that he was still alive?
The Russians thought they had the bodies a few days after the suicide. (Ironically they walked right by them for a few days before realizing who they were). They took the charred skeletal remains and supposedly (murky history here) moved them to a Russian/ Stasi base in East Germany where they stay secretly buried under a car garage (IIRC) until sometime in the 70s/80s when they were dug up and either disposed of or sent to Moscow (or mix of both. The Russians weren't exactly forthcoming.
.). They tested the skull in Moscow that the Russians said was Hitlers but it was female DNA and not him. I'm not saying I buy this show but I do like to see the interesting things they've found and learn some new stuff about Nazi activities in the Canary Islands, Spain and Argentina. That aspect of WW2 gets overlooked a lot.
Cnn article from 2009 with the current Russian story of events (true or not- who knows?).
http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/europe/12/11/russia.hitler.remains/index.html
Lot of craziness in this thread.
Smithsonian Channel has a show The Day Hitler Died, which it is showing this month. Viewing dates include:
Jan. 5, 2 pm
Jan. 11, 6 pm
Jan. 17, 6 pm
It's based on research, interviews, and films made by Capt. Michael Musmanno. I believe he was a member of the US Navy, as well as a Nuremberg judge. He interviewed most of the survivors from Hitler's bunker from the final days before it was overrun by the Russians. The films were made in 1948, but were not shown to the public. The film interviews were forgotten and/or lost, and were not discovered again until 2013, if I recall correctly.
I've seen the show, and it's pretty compelling. It also corresponds with most of the histories I've read about Hitler's final days, and his death.
Since the Russians captured Hitler's bunker, and they did not turn over much info to the Allies, it's fertile ground for rumors and conspiracy theories about Hitler. This Smithsonian Channel show should put to rest the majority of the rumors or theories.
Smithsonian Channel has a show The Day Hitler Died, which it is showing this month. Viewing dates include:
Jan. 5, 2 pm
Jan. 11, 6 pm
Jan. 17, 6 pm
It's based on research, interviews, and films made by Capt. Michael Musmanno. I believe he was a member of the US Navy, as well as a Nuremberg judge. He interviewed most of the survivors from Hitler's bunker from the final days before it was overrun by the Russians. The films were made in 1948, but were not shown to the public. The film interviews were forgotten and/or lost, and were not discovered again until 2013, if I recall correctly.
I've seen the show, and it's pretty compelling. It also corresponds with most of the histories I've read about Hitler's final days, and his death.
Since the Russians captured Hitler's bunker, and they did not turn over much info to the Allies, it's fertile ground for rumors and conspiracy theories about Hitler. This Smithsonian Channel show should put to rest the majority of the rumors or theories.
I'm not so sure he is dead, have you met my neighbor ?
