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So they are updating/resetting the GPS system we all use to get around. Seems some think it could cause major problems. If you are traveling to 'parts unknown' you may want to have an old fashioned map with you.

Goward explained that GPS works by sending out timing signals. On each satellite, there are multiple atomic clocks. GPS relies on precision timing to operate.


“Essentially, all the GPS satellites are just very, very precise clocks,” said Goward.


In that timing signal, there is a timestamp containing a code. The code is based on the week and seconds in that week when “GPS Time” began or was set. That date started on January 6, 1980.


But since “GPS time” uses only 10-bits to count the weeks and seconds within that week, it can only cover a finite period of time before it runs out of space.


“It turns out it happens roughly every 20 years,” said Parkinson.


That finite period of time is 1,024 weeks or precisely 19.7 years. This period of GPS time called an epoch. When GPS time reaches its finite period, it “rolls over” or resets to zero.


This rollover happened once before on or around August 21, 1999, but there were few documented problems, according to experts. This time, it’s different.

Here's the funniest quote;

“If you’re driving your car and it were to suddenly say you’re in the middle of the Pacific Ocean, be very suspicious,” cautioned Parkinson."

The good news is that since these occur every 19.7 years and we will all be dead in 12, this is the last time it will happen!

 
Sounds just like Y2019K to me! But seriously, I was actually using GPS for research in 1999 (anyone remember using a base station and post-processing to improve accuracy? Nah, didn’t think so) and nothing happened. Of course, GPS was a lot different then.
 
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I spent a considerable amount of time and effort learning to navigate with a chronometer and a sextant- I wonder if anybody learns that skill today?
 
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By far, the biggest concern is that it could screw up Pokémon Go.

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No problem if you know your way to nearest house of ill repute. Just spend all weekend there. The sun will come up in the east next Monday.
 
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If you’re going out to parts unknown without a map and compass as backup, you’re an idiot anyway. A lot of people die horrible deaths depending on technology.

You speak the truth, O man of chicken. Happened in Mifflin Co. some years ago where a stout young man chose "alternate route" in a snowstorm off 322 and had to break into a camp to stay alive. Had to be rescued by Milroy Fire Co. guys on sleds. When the dirt roads say "no winter maintenance," believe it.
 
I spent a considerable amount of time and effort learning to navigate with a chronometer and a sextant- I wonder if anybody learns that skill today?
Or, how about triangulation from two starburst artillery rounds. That is the way us grunts (Actually there is/was a forward observer had to do it in cambodia and nam. I was always skeptical that the rounds went off where they were supposed to but arty never came close to us!
I spent a considerable amount of time and effort learning to navigate with a chronometer and a sextant- I wonder if anybody learns that skill today?
Or, how about triangulation off two arty starburst rounds. That is how we did it cambodia and nam. The artillery unit does embed a forward observer (a first or second lieuy) with the grunts to call it in but I was always concerned the starburst rounds might not go off where intended. No friendly fire casualties in nine months with my unit so I guess all worked out!
 
You speak the truth, O man of chicken. Happened in Mifflin Co. some years ago where a stout young man chose "alternate route" in a snowstorm off 322 and had to break into a camp to stay alive. Had to be rescued by Milroy Fire Co. guys on sleds. When the dirt roads say "no winter maintenance," believe it.
When I do my post retirement trip to Australia, I plan to go way off the grid. I will probably have extra redundancy - map and compass, GPS and Sat Phone.
 
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So they are updating/resetting the GPS system we all use to get around. Seems some think it could cause major problems. If you are traveling to 'parts unknown' you may want to have an old fashioned map with you.

Goward explained that GPS works by sending out timing signals. On each satellite, there are multiple atomic clocks. GPS relies on precision timing to operate.


“Essentially, all the GPS satellites are just very, very precise clocks,” said Goward.


In that timing signal, there is a timestamp containing a code. The code is based on the week and seconds in that week when “GPS Time” began or was set. That date started on January 6, 1980.


But since “GPS time” uses only 10-bits to count the weeks and seconds within that week, it can only cover a finite period of time before it runs out of space.


“It turns out it happens roughly every 20 years,” said Parkinson.


That finite period of time is 1,024 weeks or precisely 19.7 years. This period of GPS time called an epoch. When GPS time reaches its finite period, it “rolls over” or resets to zero.


This rollover happened once before on or around August 21, 1999, but there were few documented problems, according to experts. This time, it’s different.

Here's the funniest quote;

“If you’re driving your car and it were to suddenly say you’re in the middle of the Pacific Ocean, be very suspicious,” cautioned Parkinson."

The good news is that since these occur every 19.7 years and we will all be dead in 12, this is the last time it will happen!

A bit of a side note, but I used to interface with the guy quoted above (Dana Goward) when he was at the Coast Guard. He has spent the years since leaving, warning about our reliance on GPS as it is susceptible to jamming, spoofing, or even having satellites destroyed by adversaries. He has been a big advocate for reconstituting the old LORAN system as a backup. I believe this has now become part of the strategic plan for the military/govt as more nations demonstrate the ability to shoot down satellites and small rogue nation-states are becoming effective in cyber warfare.
 
I spent a considerable amount of time and effort learning to navigate with a chronometer and a sextant- I wonder if anybody learns that skill today?

Sextanting can get you in trouble these days though
 
A bit of a side note, but I used to interface with the guy quoted above (Dana Goward) when he was at the Coast Guard. He has spent the years since leaving, warning about our reliance on GPS as it is susceptible to jamming, spoofing, or even having satellites destroyed by adversaries. He has been a big advocate for reconstituting the old LORAN system as a backup. I believe this has now become part of the strategic plan for the military/govt as more nations demonstrate the ability to shoot down satellites and small rogue nation-states are becoming effective in cyber warfare.
Biggest fears are either an EMP attack or a natural Carrington type event. Either one would be a disaster of unimaginable consequences.
 
Sounds just like Y2019K to me! But seriously, I was actually using GPS for research in 1999 (anyone remember using a base station and post-processing to improve accuracy? Nah, didn’t think so) and nothing happened. Of course, GPS was a lot different then.

As a surveyor, I carried a differential GPS around the woods for many years and post-processed data on a daily basis. For a long time it was the only way to get sort of decent accuracy under canopy as RTK GPS signals don't penetrate tree cover as well and are susceptible to multipath errors if they do. Now that there are at least 4 different satellite constellations (GPS, Glonass, Galileo & Beidou) RTK has been working in wooded situations (at least during winter, we will see what happens when the leaves pop shortly). It's been working under evergreen canopy, so we are hopeful for good results.
 
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in the event of an EMP attack, we better be ready to fight the next war- AND the last one, too.
Well, i started my childhood under the "duck & cover" guidance....
looks like I'll be ending my life under similar guidance.

They took out Washington DC, San Francisco and New Orleans? Judging from the list of cities, sounds like the Russians are trying to help us

 
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As a surveyor, I carried a differential GPS around the woods for many years and post-processed data on a daily basis. For a long time it was the only way to get sort of decent accuracy under canopy as RTK GPS signals don't penetrate tree cover as well and are susceptible to multipath errors if they do. Now that there are at least 4 different satellite constellations (GPS, Glonass, Galileo & Beidou) RTK has been working in wooded situations (at least during winter, we will see what happens when the leaves pop shortly). It's been working under evergreen canopy, so we are hopeful for good results.
My brother is a surveyor and, back in the day, we marveled at the technological advancement from using a transit, 300 foot surveyor’s “chain” and a plumb bob to using a theodolite and a laser distance machine. We had many “tug o’ wars” with that steel chain!
 
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