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OT: Scientific American on Americans perspective of wealth distribution....

Re: It's much easier to just blame it on laziness....


Originally posted by Grant Green:
Frankly, your viewpoint is incredibly simple minded. There are plenty of other variables to financial success:

intelligence
quality of parenting
income class of your parents
role models
race
opportunities presented to you in your youth
quality of education available


The idea that anyone can pull themselves up by their bootstraps and be financially successful is very naive.
Frankly your opinion is quite naive.....

While the things you listed do have impacts on financial success they are not limiting if you don't have all of them. Look at Ben Carson. You would not say his mother was intelligent but she was smart. There is a difference. She was a single mom which many would consider a drawback from the parenting angle. His mom was at the poverty level. Outside of his mom the people around him were not positive role models. Race- I presume that you mean that being black holds you down. Opportunities during youth- he only had a mom who was strict and made him read two books a year. Quality of education availability- terrible during his youth.

The guy should be held up as one of this country's heroes. He beat the odds by hard work because of his mom and the capitalistic system that rewards hard work.

How about plumbers- I know a few rich ones. They work hard and become successful.

How about my dad. At age 33 he came to America legally from Hungary during a revolution against communism/socialism. He was and engineer who could not speak English. he immediately went to work sweeping floors. Before work he got up an hour every morning to study English and then after work he went to class to learn English. He could never prove that he had a degree so he initially earned less money then those with degrees. In the late 50's he saw adds for computer operators before the word computer was in the common vocabulary. He figured it out and was self taught. He became a computer expert and ran the department in short order. He wrote his own sine and cosine programs before they were comercially available. He wrote a drafting program before it was commercially available. He knew this was a great country and if you worked hard you could become financially prosperous. He knew Socialism was horrible and made everyone less productive. He knew that capitalism was great and made this country great. Not all people make it but the poorest in America are rich compared to many places in the world.

Hard work gets you places. Try it, you may like it.
 
Re: It's much easier to just blame it on laziness....


Originally posted by Grant Green:
Frankly, your viewpoint is incredibly simple minded. There are plenty of other variables to financial success:

intelligence
quality of parenting
income class of your parents
role models
race
opportunities presented to you in your youth
quality of education available


The idea that anyone can pull themselves up by their bootstraps and be financially successful is very naive.
Frankly your opinion is quite naive.....

While the things you listed do have impacts on financial success they are not limiting if you don't have all of them. Look at Ben Carson. You would not say his mother was intelligent but she was smart. There is a difference. She was a single mom which many would consider a drawback from the parenting angle. His mom was at the poverty level. Outside of his mom the people around him were not positive role models. Race- I presume that you mean that being black holds you down. Opportunities during youth- he only had a mom who was strict and made him read two books a year. Quality of education availability- terrible during his youth.

The guy should be held up as one of this country's heroes. He beat the odds by hard work, because of his mom and the capitalistic system that rewards hard work.

How about plumbers- I know a few rich ones. They work hard and become successful.

How about my dad. At age 33 he came to America legally from Hungary during a revolution against communism/socialism. He was an engineer who could not speak English. He immediately went to work sweeping floors. Before work he got up an hour early every morning to study English and then after work he went to class to learn English. He could never prove that he had a degree so he initially earned less money then those with degrees. In the late 50's he saw adds for computer operators before the word computer was in the common vocabulary. He figured it out and was self taught. He became a computer expert and ran the department in short order. He wrote his own sine and cosine programs before they were commercially available. He wrote a drafting program before it was commercially available. He knew this was a great country and if you worked hard you could become financially prosperous. He knew Socialism was horrible and made everyone less productive. He knew that capitalism was great and made this country great. Not all people make it but the poorest in America are rich compared to many places in the world.

Hard work gets you places. Try it, you may like it.
 
Originally posted by dawgduice:
Very few people payed attention in the 1980s when the U.S government (you know - for the people?) (Republicans and Democrats) changed the tax system which fueled income inequality. And the excuse was - job creation?? Unfortunately the jobs are overseas :)
Keep in mind WHO makes the rules. The only thing that prevents a REAL revolution is that ANYONE has a chance. Well, if you are part of the really wealthy, then your chance is assured BUT for others you could win the lottery.

Many get really upset when they realize we actually live in a "feudal system". Those who get to hold a spear to guard the wall "think" one day they will get invited to sit at THE table.

I really support "working and earning" wealth. I would just rather see 1000 millionaires than 1 billionaire! PLUS unearned income should be taxed at a MUCH higher rate to truly encourage economic growth.

Witness that the turnout for the last general election was the lowest in 75 years. Most people know it is hopeless. Our "system" only works in theory NOT in reality. Free Market ??? What? Where? When?

This post was edited on 3/31 3:05 PM by dawgduice

This post was edited on 3/31 5:08 PM by dawgduice

There was an article in the WaPo recently about Republican (multi-millionaire) bundlers
complaining about how they are now 2nd class citizens compared to the
billionaires when it comes to getting attention/love from the top
Republican political candidates.

At no time has the wealth disparity been greater since the time of the robber-barrons.

And it's not just here, but pretty much everywhere.

The US is becoming more like Putin Russia and the PRC - plutocracies/oligarchies.
 
Re: Anyone notice how long a thread with a decidedly liberal agenda lasts on

Originally posted by psufan9808:

this board while the hint of a conservative thread is gone in seconds? At some point this will drive half of BWI's costumer base away.
I'm all in favor of getting rid of those costumers. Everyone knows that they're pinkos.
 
Originally posted by dawgduice:

.....PLUS unearned income should be taxed at a MUCH higher rate to truly encourage economic growth.
I fail to see how one follows the other.
 
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