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OT : Woman killed by Alligator on Hilton Head Island......

They don't go Lavar Arrington, more like Warren Sapp.
If gators could attack the same way as most croc species, there would be way more human deaths from them in the Americas. I think you would have a hard time finding a wildlife biologist who would rate gators equally dangerous to humans. Crocs are faster than gators and obtain more of their prey on land versus water than gators. They also are more tolerant of salt water, which means they have a bigger range in estuarine environments.
enough of this. So crocs are more dangerous. As are hippos, etc. Great. Whats more dangerous was never the point in this thread about a woman who was killed by a gator.

So whatever rises to thre level of scary for you, I still hope you don’t get on the wrong side of a gator. They’re very dangerous if they want to be. And yes, they’re ambush predators. Even if most 6-year olds can outrun them on land with a small head-start.
 
Man, my mom and dad both think gators are a joke. My old man thinks they are funny and messes with them.

My mom is cool unless one of her golf balls lands near one. God help us if it's one of the nice pink ones. She will risk her life for one of those fancy pink balls.

Only in Florida.
 
Another article said that the gator pulled both the dog and woman into the pond by the leash. If true, why not let go ? It just seems like there’s something missing from the account.
I have had the pleasure of spending a lot of time in HHI and I am trying to figure this out. Gators are not ambush predators like crocs. They don’t launch themselves out of the water like a missile. Now if you get into the water with one of these big ones, different story.
They'll take a dear down when they go to drink at dusk. Callawassie & Fripp have some of the biggest I've come across. The only time I really feared a gator was when I almost walked into a 10 footer while golfing with @SJLuvsLions last year at May River last January. I was hoping it would chase him as he was hightailing it down the fairway in a golf cart and leave me alone. Fortunately he must have already had his quota for the day.
 
enough of this. So crocs are more dangerous. As are hippos, etc. Great. Whats more dangerous was never the point in this thread about a woman who was killed by a gator.

So whatever rises to thre level of scary for you, I still hope you don’t get on the wrong side of a gator. They’re very dangerous if they want to be. And yes, they’re ambush predators. Even if most 6-year olds can outrun them on land with a small head-start.
Actually I'd give the kid a large head start. They run as fast as a race horse for 50 yds. They don't slither on the ground. They stand pretty tall. They usually move from pond to pond at night. Saw a large male come out of the water on Parris Island Legends GC last year after a female who had just crossed a green we had just been on.
 
Actually I'd give the kid a large head start. They run as fast as a race horse for 50 yds. They don't slither on the ground. They stand pretty tall. They usually move from pond to pond at night. Saw a large male come out of the water on Parris Island Legends GC last year after a female who had just crossed a green we had just been on.
Don't you know how to use google? They can't run anywhere near as fast as a race horse.

It's very rare for an alligator to chase a human on dry land. And the average human could easily outrun an alligator, zigzagging or not -- it tops out at a speed of around 11 miles per hour (18 kph), and it can't maintain that speed for very long [source: San Diego Zoo].
Can you really escape an alligator if you run in a zigzag ...
https://adventure.howstuffworks.com/alligator-zigzag.

Here are the records for a race horse.
The highest race speed recorded over two furlongs is 70.76 km/h (43.97 mph) and was achieved by Winning Brew trained by Francis Vitale (United States), at the Penn National Race Course, Grantville, Pennsylvania, United States, on 14 May 2008. Winning Brew covered the quarter-mile (402 m, 2 furlongs) in 20.57 sec. She is a 2 year old filly thoroughbred. The record for 1½ miles (2,414 m) is 60.86 km/h (37.82 mph) by 3-year-old Hawkster at Santa Anita Park, Arcadia, California, USA on 14 October 1989 with a time of 2min 22.8sec.
 
Don't you know how to use google? They can't run anywhere near as fast as a race horse.

It's very rare for an alligator to chase a human on dry land. And the average human could easily outrun an alligator, zigzagging or not -- it tops out at a speed of around 11 miles per hour (18 kph), and it can't maintain that speed for very long [source: San Diego Zoo].
Can you really escape an alligator if you run in a zigzag ...
https://adventure.howstuffworks.com/alligator-zigzag.

Here are the records for a race horse.
The highest race speed recorded over two furlongs is 70.76 km/h (43.97 mph) and was achieved by Winning Brew trained by Francis Vitale (United States), at the Penn National Race Course, Grantville, Pennsylvania, United States, on 14 May 2008. Winning Brew covered the quarter-mile (402 m, 2 furlongs) in 20.57 sec. She is a 2 year old filly thoroughbred. The record for 1½ miles (2,414 m) is 60.86 km/h (37.82 mph) by 3-year-old Hawkster at Santa Anita Park, Arcadia, California, USA on 14 October 1989 with a time of 2min 22.8sec.
I've read the opposite. Australians have witnessed Crocs launch out of the water 10 to 30 yard with bursts reaching 20mph and grabbing cattle by the head and literally drag them into the water. What happened to this lady was tragic and avoidable.
 
I've read the opposite. Australians have witnessed Crocs launch out of the water 10 to 30 yard with bursts reaching 20mph and grabbing cattle by the head and literally drag them into the water. What happened to this lady was tragic and avoidable.
Gators can and do attack in very short bursts going onto land. And they can be dangerous as heck. But as much as I disagree w 83wuzme re gator ambush attacks, danger, capacity, etc. as per above, he/she is right there is a big difference between gators and crocs. If arguing American gator attacks, usually best not to use AUS (or Nile) croc attacks for the examples. Gators aren’t good runners and aren’t regarded as bring fast on land except in very (like extremely) short bursts.
 
Gators can and do attack in very short bursts going onto land. And they can be dangerous as heck. But as much as I disagree w 83wuzme re gator ambush attacks, danger, capacity, etc. as per above, he/she is right there is a big difference between gators and crocs. If arguing American gator attacks, usually best not to use AUS (or Nile) croc attacks for the examples. Gators aren’t good runners and aren’t regarded as bring fast on land except in very (like extremely) short bursts.
Uh, I’m a guy.
 
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They'll take a dear down when they go to drink at dusk. Callawassie & Fripp have some of the biggest I've come across. The only time I really feared a gator was when I almost walked into a 10 footer while golfing with @SJLuvsLions last year at May River last January. I was hoping it would chase him as he was hightailing it down the fairway in a golf cart and leave me alone. Fortunately he must have already had his quota for the day.

Conversation:
SJL: "If we see a gator on the bank, I'm going to run like hell."
@gslachta : "You really think you can outrun a big ole gator?"
SJL: "I don't have to...I only have to outrun YOU!!!"

(FWIW you really didn't "almost walk into"...you damn near STEPPED ON that freakin' reptile)
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Conversation:
SJL: "If we see a gator on the bank, I'm going to run like hell."
@gslachta : "You really think you can outrun a big ole gator?"
SJL: "I don't have to...I only have to outrun YOU!!!"

(FWIW you really didn't "almost walk into"...you damn near STEPPED ON that freakin' reptile)
:p
I can only imagine the look on his face ... and that he needed to swap pants due to the stains on the backside...

I was surprised by a face-to-tail encounter with a 5" yellow spotted salamander last week and my kids in the car caught my commotion despite being engrossed with ipads. I can only imagine if it were a 10' gator. The surprise can be enough. But a surprise + size + danger....
 
I can only imagine the look on his face ... and that he needed to swap pants due to the stains on the backside...

I was surprised by a face-to-tail encounter with a 5" yellow spotted salamander last week and my kids in the car caught my commotion despite being engrossed with ipads. I can only imagine if it were a 10' gator. The surprise can be enough. But a surprise + size + danger....

Well that reminds me of my OTHER solution for poor @gslachta .

SJL: "If the gator comes at us, throw shit in his face."
G: "Where am I going to get shit from???"
SJL: "Ohhhh it will be there, trust me."
 
I hate alligators. I think they should all be exterminated. Do they have some special use (besides shoes and belts) that makes them important to the ecosystem?

Killem all, I say.
 
All the time I spent in HHI, I can’t recall seeing signs warning people about danger from alligators.
Plenty of signs warning people not to feed or harrass the gators, though.
 
All the time I spent in HHI, I can’t recall seeing signs warning people about danger from alligators.
Plenty of signs warning people not to feed or harrass the gators, though.

If you dog is below a certain size, you should consider that taking it for a walk is "feeding the gators."
 
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If you dog is below a certain size, you should consider that taking it for a walk is "feeding the gators."
Well, it depends upon the size of the dog relative to the gator. A gator will size up their potential prey and decide if it is too large or the right size for ambushing. Recently there was a 12 footer that took out a German shepherd around where I live. A smaller gator, such as a 4 footer is not likely to be as bold when it comes to a dog that size.

We just found out a couple of days ago they stock the ponds and lakes in our development with small, 2 foot gators for "environmental reasons." Absolute true story. These gators are chipped and every month they come by with a device to see if they are still in the body of water. If they move to another pond or lake in the development, they can track their movement, and then try to recapture them and return them to the original body of water. When the gators reach 8 feet long, they remove them.

How do I know? We ran into the guy in our backyard with his device surveying for the gators. We asked him what he was doing and he told us. Being skeptical that this might be a BS story, we checked with the manager of our development. Lo and behold, the story was true.
 
Well, it depends upon the size of the dog relative to the gator. A gator will size up their potential prey and decide if it is too large or the right size for ambushing. Recently there was a 12 footer that took out a German shepherd around where I live. A smaller gator, such as a 4 footer is not likely to be as bold when it comes to a dog that size.

We just found out a couple of days ago they stock the ponds and lakes in our development with small, 2 foot gators for "environmental reasons." Absolute true story. These gators are chipped and every month they come by with a device to see if they are still in the body of water. If they move to another pond or lake in the development, they can track their movement, and then try to recapture them and return them to the original body of water. When the gators reach 8 feet long, they remove them.

How do I know? We ran into the guy in our backyard with his device surveying for the gators. We asked him what he was doing and he told us. Being skeptical that this might be a BS story, we checked with the manager of our development. Lo and behold, the story was true.
I figure if you own the dog, it is up to you to figure out whether walking it is "feeding the gators".
 
The pig video was rather violent but most animals die a violent death. I have never found an animal dead in the woods that looked like it died of old age. When they get too old to run or defend itself something kills it and eats it. Or it dies of a disease.
Down in Florida we sometimes go out into the lagoon and go shrimping at night. The marsh sounds like Jurassic Park with all of the screaming and screeching that goes on all night long. Lots of things die every night out in the marsh.
 
Well, it depends upon the size of the dog relative to the gator. A gator will size up their potential prey and decide if it is too large or the right size for ambushing. Recently there was a 12 footer that took out a German shepherd around where I live. A smaller gator, such as a 4 footer is not likely to be as bold when it comes to a dog that size.

We just found out a couple of days ago they stock the ponds and lakes in our development with small, 2 foot gators for "environmental reasons." Absolute true story. These gators are chipped and every month they come by with a device to see if they are still in the body of water. If they move to another pond or lake in the development, they can track their movement, and then try to recapture them and return them to the original body of water. When the gators reach 8 feet long, they remove them.

How do I know? We ran into the guy in our backyard with his device surveying for the gators. We asked him what he was doing and he told us. Being skeptical that this might be a BS story, we checked with the manager of our development. Lo and behold, the story was true.

Interesting.
Do you know what the "environmental reasons" are?
 
I was in Sea Pines right after the 4th of July with my family. One night our kids were playing on the golf course behind our condo when my daughter came to tell me there was an alligator over by the cart path. We went over to check it out....and OMG there was a huge 8-10 ft gator just hanging out by the cart/bike path. I don't know if that was the one who killed the poor woman....but I would not have wanted to mess with the big guy. I figured I didn't need to out run the gator....I just needed to out run my cousin.
 
If it was just nature taking its course I would be fine with it.
But not when someone on the boat is luring the pig to the gator. Its a dick move.
I didn't catch that. I just watched the longer version. What heartless morons these people are. Only humans are capable of something like that. If any one of these people were taken by a gator, I can honestly say I'd like a front row seat. Assholes.
 
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I didn't catch that. I just watched the longer version. What heartless morons these people are. Only humans are capable of something like that. If any one of these people were taken by a gator, I can honestly say I'd like a front row seat. Assholes.

What pissed me off is they were on the boat like it was a pleasure cruise and it wasn't just a couple of people, it looked like a tour boat.
 
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What pissed me off is they were on the boat like it was a pleasure cruise and it wasn't just a couple of people, it looked like a tour boat.
From what I've been told, such is the mindset in parts of Louisiana. A guy who had spent some time living down there was telling me that he went out on an alligator hunt with some guys that he knew, and that they had a large barrel of bait. To his abject horror he sees that the barrel was filled with live kittens. Some will say that's their culture. Guess what, their culture is f#cked.
 
Were those wild or domesticated? If wild, then let the alligator eat them all. If not, why were they so close to the water like that? I’d imagine it would be tough being a pig farmer in gator country.
 
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