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I know I've brought this up before: 1-10-2 ATS in regular-season games coming off a loss.

Hopefully we come out strong & fired-up on Saturday. It hasn't always happened when we are coming off of a loss and facing some adversity.
 
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michnittlion said:
I know I've brought this up before: 1-9-2 ATS in regular-season games coming off a loss.

Hopefully we come out strong & fired-up on Saturday. It hasn't always happened when we are coming off of a loss and facing some adversity.
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First two seasons mean little to nothing.
 
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michnittlion said:
I know I've brought this up before: 1-10-2 ATS in regular-season games coming off a loss.

Hopefully we come out strong & fired-up on Saturday. It hasn't always happened when we are coming off of a loss and facing some adversity.
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So a loss after a loss is obviously not considered in this count. Otherwise, we would be on a hell of a losing streak. I guess statistics can say anything we want if you misrepresent what you are counting.
 
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ImaWright said:
So a loss after a loss is obviously not considered in this count. Otherwise, we would be on a hell of a losing streak. I guess statistics can say anything we want if you misrepresent what you are counting.
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I'm not mis-representing anything. The statistics are what they are:

2014: lose to Northwestern. lost to Michigan ATS the next game (2.5 dog).
2014: lose to Michigan. win vs Ohio State ATS next game (14 dog).
2014: lose to Ohio State. lost to Maryland ATS next game (3 favorite).
2014: lose to Maryland. push vs Indiana ATS next game (6 favorite).
2014: lose to Illinois. lost to MSU ATS next game (13 dog).
2015: lose to Temple. lost to Buffalo ATS next game (17 favorite).
2015: lose to Ohio State. lost to Maryland ATS next game (5.5 favorite).
2015: lose to Northwestern. lost to Michigan ATS next game (3.5 favorite).
2015: lose to Michigan. lost to MSU ATS (and the team flat out quit) next game (7.5 dog).
2016: lose to Pittsburgh. lost to Temple ATS next game (8.5 favorite).
2016: lose to Michigan. push vs Minnesota ATS next game (3 favorite).
2017: lose to Ohio State. lost to MSU ATS next game (9.5 favorite).
2017: lose to MSU. lost to Rutgers ATS next game (31 favorite).

That's 1-10-2 ATS, and 6-7 straight-up (despite being favored in 10 of the 13).
 
michnittlion said:
I'm not mis-representing anything. The statistics are what they are:

2014: lose to Northwestern. lost to Michigan ATS the next game (2.5 dog).
2014: lose to Michigan. win vs Ohio State ATS next game (14 dog).
2014: lose to Ohio State. lost to Maryland ATS next game (3 favorite).
2014: lose to Maryland. push vs Indiana ATS next game (6 favorite).
2014: lose to Illinois. lost to MSU ATS next game (13 dog).
2015: lose to Temple. lost to Buffalo ATS next game (17 favorite).
2015: lose to Ohio State. lost to Maryland ATS next game (5.5 favorite).
2015: lose to Northwestern. lost to Michigan ATS next game (3.5 favorite).
2015: lose to Michigan. lost to MSU ATS (and the team flat out quit) next game (7.5 dog).
2016: lose to Pittsburgh. lost to Temple ATS next game (8.5 favorite).
2016: lose to Michigan. push vs Minnesota ATS next game (3 favorite).
2017: lose to Ohio State. lost to MSU ATS next game (9.5 favorite).
2017: lose to MSU. lost to Rutgers ATS next game (31 favorite).

That's 1-10-2 ATS, and 6-7 straight-up (despite being favored in 10 of the 13).
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What is it like to be obsessed?
 
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michnittlion said:
I'm not mis-representing anything. The statistics are what they are:
2016: lose to Pittsburgh. lost to Temple ATS next game (8.5 favorite).
2016: lose to Michigan. push vs Minnesota ATS next game (3 favorite).
2017: lose to Ohio State. lost to MSU ATS next game (9.5 favorite).
2017: lose to MSU. lost to Rutgers ATS next game (31 favorite).

That's 1-10-2 ATS, and 6-7 straight-up (despite being favored in 10 of the 13).
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So the last two seasons hes 3-1 after a loss. Got it.
 
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Echoing the others who have questioned why in the world the “spread” matters one iota. I don’t care what a bunch of dips in Nevada think is going to happen with a game with the intent on what’s going to make them the most money - especially if they think we’re going to win by more points than we end up doing. Who cares?
 
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michnittlion said:
I'm not mis-representing anything. The statistics are what they are:

2014: lose to Northwestern. lost to Michigan ATS the next game (2.5 dog).
2014: lose to Michigan. win vs Ohio State ATS next game (14 dog).
2014: lose to Ohio State. lost to Maryland ATS next game (3 favorite).
2014: lose to Maryland. push vs Indiana ATS next game (6 favorite).
2014: lose to Illinois. lost to MSU ATS next game (13 dog).
2015: lose to Temple. lost to Buffalo ATS next game (17 favorite).
2015: lose to Ohio State. lost to Maryland ATS next game (5.5 favorite).
2015: lose to Northwestern. lost to Michigan ATS next game (3.5 favorite).
2015: lose to Michigan. lost to MSU ATS (and the team flat out quit) next game (7.5 dog).
2016: lose to Pittsburgh. lost to Temple ATS next game (8.5 favorite).
2016: lose to Michigan. push vs Minnesota ATS next game (3 favorite).
2017: lose to Ohio State. lost to MSU ATS next game (9.5 favorite).
2017: lose to MSU. lost to Rutgers ATS next game (31 favorite).

That's 1-10-2 ATS, and 6-7 straight-up (despite being favored in 10 of the 13).
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Again first 2 season are meaningless due to sanctions. And even the first half of 2016 could be disregarded as well because PSU was playing with a completely decimated defense due to depth problems that aren’t an issue now.

I’ll give you 2017 MSU despite the extremely flukey rain delay.

Beating Rutgers by 29 instead of more than 31 doesn’t show anything.
 
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michnittlion said:
I'm not mis-representing anything. The statistics are what they are:

2014: lose to Northwestern. lost to Michigan ATS the next game (2.5 dog).
2014: lose to Michigan. win vs Ohio State ATS next game (14 dog).
2014: lose to Ohio State. lost to Maryland ATS next game (3 favorite).
2014: lose to Maryland. push vs Indiana ATS next game (6 favorite).
2014: lose to Illinois. lost to MSU ATS next game (13 dog).
2015: lose to Temple. lost to Buffalo ATS next game (17 favorite).
2015: lose to Ohio State. lost to Maryland ATS next game (5.5 favorite).
2015: lose to Northwestern. lost to Michigan ATS next game (3.5 favorite).
2015: lose to Michigan. lost to MSU ATS (and the team flat out quit) next game (7.5 dog).
2016: lose to Pittsburgh. lost to Temple ATS next game (8.5 favorite).
2016: lose to Michigan. push vs Minnesota ATS next game (3 favorite).
2017: lose to Ohio State. lost to MSU ATS next game (9.5 favorite).
2017: lose to MSU. lost to Rutgers ATS next game (31 favorite).

That's 1-10-2 ATS, and 6-7 straight-up (despite being favored in 10 of the 13).
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Are you a degenerate gambler?
 
I’m not fond of michnittlion, but this is a decent “troll post”. The skunkbear fan from Warren, Mi has successfully agitated a few of you.

@michnittlion .... while you were at PSU, how many home games did you attend? Don’t lie in you response seeing as I know who you are and when you were enrolled.:)
 
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Are you a degenerate gambler?
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I like to gamble. Sure.

Anyway, here are some more statistics and trends:

  • Nittany Lions are 13-2-2 ATS vs. a team with a winning record.
  • Nittany Lions are 21-5-2 ATS in their last 28 games overall.
  • Nittany Lions are 12-3-2 ATS in their last 17 home games.
  • Nittany Lions are 15-5-1 ATS in their last 21 conference games.
  • Nittany Lions are 15-5-1 ATS in their last 21 games following a ATS win.
  • Nittany Lions are 1-10-2 ATS in their last 13 games following a straight up loss.

https://www.covers.com/pageLoader/pageLoader.aspx?page=/data/ncf/matchups/g8_trends_227.html
 
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PeetzPoolBoy said:
I’m not fond of michnittlion, but this is a decent “troll post”. The skunkbear fan from Warren, Mi has successfully agitated a few of you.

@michnittlion .... while you were at PSU, how many home games did you attend? Don’t lie in you response seeing as I know who you are and when you were enrolled.:)
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I attended "some" Michigan State, Ohio State, Penn State and Temple home games in which PSU was a participant.

The number of PSU home losses I attended was equivalent to the number of times I saw PSU play away from State College.
 
all I care about is wins and loses. here's the data for the past 3 seasons:

2017:
1. 10/28 - lost to tOSU, 39-28
11/4 - lost to MSU, 27-24
2. 11/4 - lost to MSU, 27-24
11/11 - beat Rutgers, 35-6
so CJF/PSU were 1-1 in games coming off of a loss

2016:
1. 9/10 - lost to Pitt, 42-39
9/17 - beat Temple, 24-27
2. 9/24 - lost to Michigan, 49-10
10/1 - beat Minnesota, 29-26
so CJF/PSU were 2-0 in games coming off of a loss

2015:
1. 9/5 - lost to Temple, 27-10
9/12 - beat Buffao, 27-14
2. 10/17 - lost to tOSU, 38-10
10/24 - beat Maryland, 31-30
3. 11/7 - lost to NW, 23-21
11/21 - lost to Michigan, 28-16
4. 11/21 - lost to Michigan, 28-16
11/28 - lost to MSU, 55-16
so CJF/PSU were 2-2 in games coming off of a loss

so CJF/PSU were 5-3 in wins/losses coming off of a loss

I didn't even bother to look at 2014, as that was the year that the BS sanctions hit the hardest, so I don't feel that data is all that applicable to a fair evaluation.
 
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michnittlion said:
I'm not mis-representing anything. The statistics are what they are:

2014: lose to Northwestern. lost to Michigan ATS the next game (2.5 dog).
2014: lose to Michigan. win vs Ohio State ATS next game (14 dog).
2014: lose to Ohio State. lost to Maryland ATS next game (3 favorite).
2014: lose to Maryland. push vs Indiana ATS next game (6 favorite).
2014: lose to Illinois. lost to MSU ATS next game (13 dog).
2015: lose to Temple. lost to Buffalo ATS next game (17 favorite).
2015: lose to Ohio State. lost to Maryland ATS next game (5.5 favorite).
2015: lose to Northwestern. lost to Michigan ATS next game (3.5 favorite).
2015: lose to Michigan. lost to MSU ATS (and the team flat out quit) next game (7.5 dog).
2016: lose to Pittsburgh. lost to Temple ATS next game (8.5 favorite).
2016: lose to Michigan. push vs Minnesota ATS next game (3 favorite).
2017: lose to Ohio State. lost to MSU ATS next game (9.5 favorite).
2017: lose to MSU. lost to Rutgers ATS next game (31 favorite).

That's 1-10-2 ATS, and 6-7 straight-up (despite being favored in 10 of the 13).
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Sounds like the bettors are stupid.
 
michnittlion said:
I like to gamble. Sure.

Anyway, here are some more statistics and trends:

  • Nittany Lions are 13-2-2 ATS vs. a team with a winning record.
  • Nittany Lions are 21-5-2 ATS in their last 28 games overall.
  • Nittany Lions are 12-3-2 ATS in their last 17 home games.
  • Nittany Lions are 15-5-1 ATS in their last 21 conference games.
  • Nittany Lions are 15-5-1 ATS in their last 21 games following a ATS win.
  • Nittany Lions are 1-10-2 ATS in their last 13 games following a straight up loss.

https://www.covers.com/pageLoader/pageLoader.aspx?page=/data/ncf/matchups/g8_trends_227.html
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What was our record after a loss between the sanctions and CJFs arrival at PSU. What is their record after a win during that same period?
 
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michnittlion said:
I know I've brought this up before: 1-10-2 ATS in regular-season games coming off a loss.

Hopefully we come out strong & fired-up on Saturday. It hasn't always happened when we are coming off of a loss and facing some adversity.
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You know the “spread” is a made up thing, right?
 
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klive said:
You know the “spread” is a made up thing, right?
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Not for the OP:

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Rip_E_2_Joe_PA said:
What was our record after a loss between the sanctions and CJFs arrival at PSU. What is their record after a win during that same period?
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For 2012 & 2013: 8-1 both straight-up and ATS.

Bill O'Brien and his teams were awesome at bouncing back from adversity. It was among O'Brien's greatest strengths.
 
michnittlion said:
For 2012 & 2013: 8-1 both straight-up and ATS.

Bill O'Brien and his teams were awesome at bouncing back from adversity. It was among O'Brien's greatest strengths.
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Whats that...Playing mostly with Others recruits?
 
MaconNitt said:
Whats that...Playing mostly with Others recruits?
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Players where O'Brien had to EARN their buy-in.

If we're doling out credit for the 2012 & 2013 successes between O'Brien and the Head Coach 2 previous to O'Brien --- I'm giving 95% of the credit to O'Brien.
 
Interesting for betting purposes. How many were after a bye? I think the bye makes a huge difference. In the last two years, the Temple game 1.5 off the spread and involved the flukey line drive punt that hit a PSU player giving Temple the ball at the one. Rutgers game 2 pts away from the cover. Minnesota push. So 3 of the games right around what the spread was and one tough loss on the road with a ridiculous rain delay. So we're favored by 13.5 so expect a 10-13 point win based on trends. I'd take that in a heartbeat.
 
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michnittlion said:
Players where O'Brien had to EARN their buy-in.

If we're doling out credit for the 2012 & 2013 successes between O'Brien and the Head Coach 2 previous to O'Brien --- I'm giving 95% of the credit to O'Brien.
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I give 100% of the credit for your demeanor to fetal alcohol syndrome.
 
michnittlion said:
For 2012 & 2013: 8-1 both straight-up and ATS.

Bill O'Brien and his teams were awesome at bouncing back from adversity. It was among O'Brien's greatest strengths.
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I'd say Franklin's teams have dealt with adversity pretty well. Bouncing back after losing to Pitt and getting destroyed by Michigan to win 9 straight and the B1G title is a telling example. Covered in just about every game doing it and came from behind in a lot of them. This team has been plenty resilient.
 
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michnittlion said:
Players where O'Brien had to EARN their buy-in.

If we're doling out credit for the 2012 & 2013 successes between O'Brien and the Head Coach 2 previous to O'Brien --- I'm giving 95% of the credit to O'Brien.
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That's mighty nice of you.

Opinions are like azzholes, everybody's got em.

If you and I agreed on everything one of us would be useless
(Hint: It wouldn't be me! :eek:;))
 
Interesting observation. Unlike others, I don’t have a big problem with this post. Hopefully Franklin will buck the trend. I think he will
 
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