Over under on the number of holds called on tO$U in league play?
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Guess all of the refs covering the rest of the field didn't get the memo that they're not supposed to call penalties on OSU. PSU sure seemed to benefit from opponents getting penalties called against them though...you should probably take another stab at your conspiracy theory
PENALTIES G No. Yards Avg/G
1. Iowa 13 46 384 29.5
2. Michigan 12 42 381 31.8
3. Rutgers 13 61 545 41.9
4. Purdue 12 60 518 43.2
5. Wisconsin 14 65 607 43.4
6. Northwestern 12 61 522 43.5
7. Penn State 13 75 600 46.2
8. Minnesota 13 69 605 46.5
9. Ohio State 15 84 711 47.4
10. Nebraska 13 75 655 50.4
11. Illinois 13 79 669 51.5
12. Maryland 13 77 677 52.1
13. Michigan State 13 80 754 58.0
14. Indiana 12 78 718 59.8
OPPONENT PENALTIES G No. Yards Avg/G
1. Penn State 13 90 788 60.6
2. Iowa 13 83 775 59.6
3. Rutgers 13 82 709 54.5
4. Maryland 13 82 686 52.8
5. Nebraska 13 78 680 52.3
6. Northwestern 12 68 611 50.9
7. Michigan 12 72 589 49.1
8. Wisconsin 14 82 645 46.1
9. Illinois 13 70 595 45.8
10. Ohio State 15 79 686 45.7
11. Michigan State 13 73 581 44.7
12. Indiana 12 56 494 41.2
13. Minnesota 13 59 508 39.1
14. Purdue 12 50 434 36.2
PENALTIES G No. Yards Avg/G
1. Iowa 13 46 384 29.5
2. Michigan 12 42 381 31.8
3. Rutgers 13 61 545 41.9
4. Purdue 12 60 518 43.2
5. Wisconsin 14 65 607 43.4
6. Northwestern 12 61 522 43.5
7. Penn State 13 75 600 46.2
8. Minnesota 13 69 605 46.5
9. Ohio State 15 84 711 47.4
10. Nebraska 13 75 655 50.4
11. Illinois 13 79 669 51.5
12. Maryland 13 77 677 52.1
13. Michigan State 13 80 754 58.0
14. Indiana 12 78 718 59.8
OPPONENT PENALTIES G No. Yards Avg/G
1. Penn State 13 90 788 60.6
2. Iowa 13 83 775 59.6
3. Rutgers 13 82 709 54.5
4. Maryland 13 82 686 52.8
5. Nebraska 13 78 680 52.3
6. Northwestern 12 68 611 50.9
7. Michigan 12 72 589 49.1
8. Wisconsin 14 82 645 46.1
9. Illinois 13 70 595 45.8
10. Ohio State 15 79 686 45.7
11. Michigan State 13 73 581 44.7
12. Indiana 12 56 494 41.2
13. Minnesota 13 59 508 39.1
14. Purdue 12 50 434 36.2
I'll take the over. I expect the big bad buckeyes to get flagged 4 or 5 times for holding ... in the 4th quarter when they have a 72-7 lead. Now if you're talking about a holding call when it might actually impact the BBB ... I'll go with zero.
Oh great ... here they come. Not content to be unanimous picks for #1 and to be the benificiary of a conference that lusts for a return to the Bo-Woody Lovefest, these buckeyes apparently scour the message boards to boast and brag as soon as their name is mentioned.
Well, you guys and gals can stay away. We were 7-6 a year ago, and everyone seems to think our OL is still a turnstile. Your own network (BTN) agrees. Go whine about your hardships on the Va Tech board. We have Temple andf Rutgers to worry about.
Well, you guys and gals can stay away. We were 7-6 a year ago, and everyone seems to think our OL is still a turnstile. Your own network (BTN) agrees. Go whine about your hardships on the Va Tech board. We have Temple andf Rutgers to worry about.
I say three, and they are allowed one bounce pass or interception a year also.
Nothing like facts to ruin another good conspiracy rant.....or not
Winners win games.....loser make excuses. Unfortunately Penn State fans have become great excuse makers. It the officials, we didn't have heaters, it the weight program, we don't use zone blocking, other program's cheat ect. The bottom line if we win we don't need excuses.
Zero holding calls during conference play is a conspiracy rant?
I looked this up once, I'm not doing it again, but to the best of my recollection 5 of the 9 games Ohio State played against Big Ten opponents had zero offensive holding calls on either team. Of the remaining 4, I believe 3 of them featured one offensive holding call on either team.
Either way, 8 of the 9 games featured virtually no offensive holding calls whatsoever.
Either way, 8 of the 9 games featured virtually no offensive holding calls whatsoever.
Lol....of course not. A real rant would have been the much more far-reaching conspiracy theory that also included the PAC12 and BIG12 officials as well given that they too declined to call holding on us during the playoffs as well.....no reason to let them off the hook for the same egregious behaviors!
When you watch PSU games, you'll see the opponent in big games get minimal penalties called in tight situations, then when they are up 10 in the 4th quarter, they pile on the meaningless ones. OSU had zero holds on O Line last year. Come.On.
What's interesting was that OSU was 10th in the conference in sacks allowed, but somehow didn't generate holding calls.
They were also first is sacks on the other side, and yet hardly generated any holding calls.
yes because there is a very logical explanation. Ohio State was only called 2 all year. There are two logical reasons for this. First is Ohio state had very good line in college football. Most holding penalties are called when a player is out of positions. A good online is in position and will not get called for holding. Alabama who also had a good line only had 4 all year. Secondly Ohio state uses a unique technique for run blocking. Unlike most lines player are not taught to get separation. The are taught to stay tight with the guy because most techniques to shed block require separation. Their online coach talked about this at a coaches clinic. One advantage is that holding is only called when hand our outside the blocker frame. This technique that doesn't occur. The coach he learned it from line had a total of one holding penalty in 2 years.
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LOL and there it is...break out the tin foil hats.
Nevermind the fact that someone did actually take the time to look at whether there was referee bias within conferences and if favored teams benefitted:
http://www.sloansportsconference.co.../SSAC15-RP-Poster-Paper-Referee-Analytics.pdf
From the article:
In regards to the hypothesis that favored teams would be penalized less, "Interestingly, the Big Ten demonstrates equal treatment for teams competing in in-conference games, but Big Ten teams are penalized significantly less when they play out-of-conference games as favorites."
Furthermore, from Fig 4 - Regarding teams penalized in-conference, "Penn State, Michigan, Iowa, and Alabama have the lowest team-effects for penalty yards in-conference, all of whom have expected penalty yards between 10.8 and 11.9 yards per game less than the average team."
But I'm sure you have evidence that supports the ridiculous claim that penalties are simply piled on at the end of your games against OSU, Michigan, etc. Not sure how you explain the finding that of all teams in P5 conferences PSU actually had the lowest team-effect for penalty yards in conference, yet somehow they are being treated unfairly.
Calls are missed all the time. I have seen Penn State get away with many holds. Losers make excuses. Winners win. Ohio State won and Penn State fans are left to make excuses. Tell me this when Penn state hired their own officials as independents was getting favorable calls while using former players parents to work game was it fixed by Penn State?
Good gawd, are we starting this happy horsecrap already?
We have one poster who thinks every opponent holds every single play and PSU has not been guilty of a hold since Rip was coaching.
I enjoy this board because it has great fans with high football IQ, which leads to entertaining conversations. Let's take the high road and not spoil it with constant bitching about the officials. Obvious poor calls will always prompt discussion, but we've got folks who complain almost every flippin' play.
We have one poster who thinks every opponent holds every single play and PSU has not been guilty of a hold since Rip was coaching.
I enjoy this board because it has great fans with high football IQ, which leads to entertaining conversations. Let's take the high road and not spoil it with constant bitching about the officials. Obvious poor calls will always prompt discussion, but we've got folks who complain almost every flippin' play.
Absolutely OSU has every game in the Big 10 fixed so they can't lose. My problem is that while most of the PSU fans believe this, I am guessing the players don't yet.
If the players start believing it, then that will make things so much easier for the Buckeyes to win. To all you fans, please please please continue this effort to grow the acceptance of the conspiracy theory so that your players start to buy into it.
If the players start believing it, then that will make things so much easier for the Buckeyes to win. To all you fans, please please please continue this effort to grow the acceptance of the conspiracy theory so that your players start to buy into it.
I think all Penn State fans want is games to be officiated fairly. Mistakes happen. But when every mistake goes against your opponent and major game changing mistakes at that including supposedly broken replay feeds on obvious bounced interceptions in the first series of the game, scoring plays happening despite the snap being 3 seconds after the play clock expired, a QBs helmet being ripped off by the facemask after he was down with no call, an obscure "leaping" penalty called on an extra point in overtime despite the player legally just jumping straight up in the air, a change of possession not being awarded despite video evidence of the Ohio St QBs knee being down with 2 seconds remaining on the clock, a referee calling a TO for your coach when you had 12 men on the field on a critical down. These are not the run of the mill crooked walk to gift spot the ball or a questionable holding call type. This is you have to be a complete idiot to believe the statistical probability of this many horribly wrong calls all against one team in a pivotal game being a natural event without the game being fixed.
The bottom line is that nobody that watched that game believes the buckeyes won fairly. Ohio St would and should not have gone to the playoff and the obvious cheating that took place makes Ohio St fake champions at best. Why is Ohio St afraid to play competition on a level playing field? When I think Ohio St fan, I think of the guy who drives a huge truck or sports car that compensates for their "short"comings. You may have paid extra to drive a foot higher because that's really all you've got, but I think you all know that you just didn't measure up.
The bottom line is that nobody that watched that game believes the buckeyes won fairly. Ohio St would and should not have gone to the playoff and the obvious cheating that took place makes Ohio St fake champions at best. Why is Ohio St afraid to play competition on a level playing field? When I think Ohio St fan, I think of the guy who drives a huge truck or sports car that compensates for their "short"comings. You may have paid extra to drive a foot higher because that's really all you've got, but I think you all know that you just didn't measure up.
Come on, none of the refs had a good view of that bounce.Yes, conspiracy theory, lol, tinfoil hat...
Classic comedic nonsense......Sorry you missed the first ever College Football Playoff! It was the most watched college football event in the long storied history of the game....great anticipation, great pageantry and great games played at the highest level. No rational being that watched those games has any doubt of the best team in college football....
Is it possible to go negative? If so, sign me up.
The BTN just annointed their offensive line the best in the country and according to DiNardo it isn't even close. Looks like the narrative has been set!
Yes...you are a conspiracy theorist, as is a significant proportion of your fan base. The fact that you think that an incorrect ruling on a dropped pass 10 years ago justifies the proposition that the refs are out to get you only validates the label.
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Funny, despite your handle, you only come sleazing out of your rat hole when OSU is mentioned.
What are you call yourself on the Michigan board, Michigan-Nut?
Shocker.....they're a little late to the party! They are far from the only media outlet all pre-season to have said the same thing. Trucking 3 of the best defenses in the nation on the way to a national title and returning all but 1 starter will do that.....
O$U and Michigan pay the refs. If not they would lose to us, because we are better than them, and they know it. I can't wait to leave this crap conference.
P$U pays the refs...it's obvious when you look at the data. How else can you explain the fact that from 2005-12 P$U had the lowest team-effect for penalty yards in conference with 11.9 yards per game less than the average...not only the lowest in the conference but also the lowest in the country (http://www.sloansportsconference.co.../SSAC15-RP-Poster-Paper-Referee-Analytics.pdf)? Or that in 2014 P$U opponents had the most penalty yards assessed when compared to every other team in the B1G (http://www.bigten.org/sports/m-footbl/stats/2014-2015/confldrs.html). When you actually look at the facts, it obvious that P$U has the refs in their back pockets...and it's the only reason why they've been able to maintain their middling status in the conference.
You were absolutely the best 2 loss team in the nation. LOL! Bottom line, fake champions. Why would you even want to count a championship that you didn't really win on the field? You know that Penn State gave you your 2nd loss and if not for egregious and very obvious cheating by your conference, you could have potentially beat a 1 loss Baylor or TCU that didn't cheat their way in.
Priceless......I don't begrudge your effort to maintain some degree of relevance for your team during the dark years, but don't be ridiculous. I'm pretty sure Wisky, Bama and Oregon would disagree with your sentiments about not winning it on the field.....but hey, if it provides you some comfort that has been long absent from actual game results on the field, have at it...... I'm a fan. I'm rooting for you and your Nits, best of luck this season!
Yes, conspiracy theory, lol, tinfoil hat...
Still blows my mind that anyone can label that Hartsock laugher a "bad call" - the ball bounced a clear foot off the ground straight upward before Hartsock "caught it" (only in the homer-ville known as the b1g Turd could this be called a "catch" on the field). All with two b1g turd officials clearly looking directly at the play (one in front and one behind), but a ball bouncing a foot off the ground before being caught is a "reception" according to both of them - go figure?!?! Cuz it's just a "bad call" that happen all the time....blah, blah, blah. I've never seen an egregious call like that even in my kid's Pop Warner games, but this type of egregious call supposedly happens "all the time" in b1g Turd games (ditto running plays 4 seconds after the play clock expires, one-hop interceptions, making up 15 yard penalties that give O$U a short-field in OT, etc.....)
We don't get penalized, because we are not cheaters! But you suckeye fans wouldn't understand this, because you and your Michigan friends have to pay the refs for when you play us.
Please keep this thread going. It gets better and better. I love hearing the "theories" of the PSU fans. The OSU and PSU series should come up with a trophy.
Maybe the "We Won the Game Even if the Scoreboard Says Different" Cup.
PSU can win it every year. Go N. Lions!
Maybe the "We Won the Game Even if the Scoreboard Says Different" Cup.
PSU can win it every year. Go N. Lions!
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