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Over under on the number of holds called on tO$U in league play?

I looked this up once, I'm not doing it again, but to the best of my recollection 5 of the 9 games Ohio State played against Big Ten opponents had zero offensive holding calls on either team. Of the remaining 4, I believe 3 of them featured one offensive holding call on either team.

Either way, 8 of the 9 games featured virtually no offensive holding calls whatsoever.
Back again so soon? I thought you were almost never here. You must lurk here constantly just waiting to jump on any thread mentioning OSU. # of times I have posted on other teams' boards = 0.
 
So astoundingly all buckeyes outwardly project that they won last year fair and square despite:

1) 7 points. replay feeds oddly not available only an on obvious bounced interception setting the tone in the first series of the game, despite the rules permitting the replay to use the exact views we were seeing on the TV and scoreboard
2) 3 points. Your FG kicked despite the snap being 3 seconds after the play clock expired
3) Hack having his ripped off by the facemask after he was down with no call
4) Bonus OT help. Your an obscure "leaping" penalty called on an extra point despite the player legally just jumping straight up in the air. Tell me another time this has ever been called and also what our player did is legal by the rule book and done on every extra point you see every Saturday
5) Potentially 3 points for PSU. A change of possession was not awarded despite video evidence of the Ohio St QBs knee being down with 2 seconds remaining on the clock at half. It would have been a 50 yard FG attempt but we had a damned good kicker last year
6) Potentially more PSU points? A referee calling a TO for your coach when you had 12 men on the field on a critical down near the end of the 4rth.

Methinks you know that the game was fixed and are cool with a fake championship that you will always know is not deserved and would not have been had the game been called correctly and without bias. Scoreboard, yes. But you know the truth and you know your buckeyes are nothing more than fake champs.
 
So astoundingly all buckeyes outwardly project that they won last year fair and square despite:

1) 7 points. replay feeds oddly not available only an on obvious bounced interception setting the tone in the first series of the game, despite the rules permitting the replay to use the exact views we were seeing on the TV and scoreboard
2) 3 points. Your FG kicked despite the snap being 3 seconds after the play clock expired
3) Hack having his ripped off by the facemask after he was down with no call
4) Bonus OT help. Your an obscure "leaping" penalty called on an extra point despite the player legally just jumping straight up in the air. Tell me another time this has ever been called and also what our player did is legal by the rule book and done on every extra point you see every Saturday
5) Potentially 3 points for PSU. A change of possession was not awarded despite video evidence of the Ohio St QBs knee being down with 2 seconds remaining on the clock at half. It would have been a 50 yard FG attempt but we had a damned good kicker last year
6) Potentially more PSU points? A referee calling a TO for your coach when you had 12 men on the field on a critical down near the end of the 4rth.

Methinks you know that the game was fixed and are cool with a fake championship that you will always know is not deserved and would not have been had the game been called correctly and without bias. Scoreboard, yes. But you know the truth and you know your buckeyes are nothing more than fake champs.

Even the b1g Turd's Director of Officiating admits the calls tainted the game - see quote below from link provided above it:

'We kicked those calls,' Big Ten officiating head says of Penn State-Ohio State game

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"My philosophy is, I man up," Bill Carollo, the Big Ten's coordinator of officials, said in an interview Friday at the Big Ten media days. "We kicked those calls. I'm not happy with it, I'm not flippant about it, but I'm disappointed about it. They were pretty critical calls for Penn State."
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Contrary to the statements of the douchebag, chumbucket, lowest-common-denominator tO$U trash, PSU fans are not the only ones that think the calls significantly AND UNJUSTLY aided tO$U, harmed PSU and badly tainted the outcome - the Director of Officiating of the douche ten has publicly stated this several times including at douche ten media days.
 
Methinks you know that the game was fixed and are cool with a fake championship that you will always know is not deserved and would not have been had the game been called correctly and without bias. Scoreboard, yes. But you know the truth and you know your buckeyes are nothing more than fake champs.

If it makes you feel any better, the next time I'm on campus, I'll make it point to go to the trophy room and tell the National Championship Trophy - sitting there in all it's splendor - that it's fake.....

Best of luck to your Nits this weekend....
 
I’m going with 1.5. One against a bottom dweller after the game is out of hand and one picked up on an obvious hold against an actual opponent with a pulse. Thoughts?

I'll take the over. I think they'll get called for offensive holding exactly twice this season.
 
So astoundingly all buckeyes outwardly project that they won last year fair and square despite:

3) Hack having his ripped off by the facemask after he was down with no call
But you know the truth and you know your buckeyes are nothing more than fake champs.

Dirtiest player in college football -- with NO CALL......
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Please keep this thread going. It gets better and better. I love hearing the "theories" of the PSU fans. The OSU and PSU series should come up with a trophy.

Maybe the "We Won the Game Even if the Scoreboard Says Different" Cup.

PSU can win it every year. Go N. Lions!

Klemman......rather than a trophy, perhaps they could offer a very nicely inscribed "Whine" Goblet.....in truth, I've lived with and around PSU alums/fans for over 50 years. This kind of incessant whining, excuse-making, "tin-foil hat" spinning and opponent bashing is of recent vintage and out of character for them. It is in fact, a clear and stark departure from the PSU values that I have observed over time and that Joe represented and not representative of the Penn State fanbase in its entirety .......just my opinion, fwiw
 
This kind of incessant whining, excuse-making, "tin-foil hat" spinning and opponent bashing is of recent vintage and out of character for them. It is in fact, a clear and stark departure from the PSU values that I have observed over time and that Joe represented and not representative of the Penn State fanbase in its entirety .......just my opinion, fwiw

I actually agree with this 100%. I've always had the utmost respect for PSU as a program, JoePa, and their fanbase. I'm willing to give PSU fans a little slack because of how they were unfairly maligned by the media and Freeh in the wake of the Sandusky scandal. But this whining and the "B1G hates us"-conspiracy garbage is a little absurd.
 
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I actually agree with this 100%. I've always had the utmost respect for PSU as a program, JoePa, and their fanbase. I'm willing to give PSU fans a little slack because of how they were unfairly maligned by the media and Freeh in the wake of the Sandusky scandal. But this whining and the "B1G hates us"-conspiracy garbage is a little absurd.
Horsehockey! The big turd conference knows that we would blow through you hilljacks every year if you didn't have those hand-picked, crooked as a dog's hind leg refs. We always belonged in the Big East or the ACC - Heck I'd settle for the Big 12 at this point.
 
A hold on them (non-call) that turns into a penalty on us somehow is what I will vote for........
Ah.........the pleasures of being in the Big 2:)
 
I'm just going to keep posting the only actual facts in this thread. In 2014 PSU was gifted more yards/game via opponent penalties compared to any other team in the B1G, including an extra 14.5 y/g compared to OSU. Not only that, but from 2005 to 2012, PSU led all teams from P5 conferences with 11.9 fewer penalty yards/game compared to the conference average (http://www.sloansportsconference.co.../SSAC15-RP-Poster-Paper-Referee-Analytics.pdf). Those are the facts and they are indisputable. Sucks that PSU couldn't take advantage of all that extra help they were getting.

2014 stats (http://www.bigten.org/sports/m-footbl/stats/2014-2015/confldrs.html)
OPPONENT PENALTIESGNo.YardsAvg/G
1. Penn State 13 90 788 60.6
2. Iowa 13 83 775 59.6
3. Rutgers 13 82 709 54.5
4. Maryland 13 82 686 52.8
5. Nebraska 13 78 680 52.3
6. Northwestern 12 68 611 50.9
7. Michigan 12 72 589 49.1
8. Wisconsin 14 82 645 46.1
9. Illinois 13 70 595 45.8
10. Ohio State 15 79 686 45.7
11. Michigan State 13 73 581 44.7
12. Indiana 12 56 494 41.2
13. Minnesota 13 59 508 39.1
14. Purdue 12 50 434 36.2
 
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I'm just going to keep posting the only actual facts in this thread. In 2014 PSU was gifted more yards/game via opponent penalties compared to any other team in the B1G, including an extra 14.5 y/g compared to OSU. Not only that, but from 2005 to 2012, PSU led all teams from P5 conferences with 11.9 fewer penalty yards/game compared to the conference average (http://www.sloansportsconference.co.../SSAC15-RP-Poster-Paper-Referee-Analytics.pdf). Those are the facts and they are indisputable. Sucks that PSU couldn't take advantage of all that extra help they were getting.

2014 stats (http://www.bigten.org/sports/m-footbl/stats/2014-2015/confldrs.html)
OPPONENT PENALTIESGNo.YardsAvg/G
1. Penn State 13 90 788 60.6
2. Iowa 13 83 775 59.6
3. Rutgers 13 82 709 54.5
4. Maryland 13 82 686 52.8
5. Nebraska 13 78 680 52.3
6. Northwestern 12 68 611 50.9
7. Michigan 12 72 589 49.1
8. Wisconsin 14 82 645 46.1
9. Illinois 13 70 595 45.8
10. Ohio State 15 79 686 45.7
11. Michigan State 13 73 581 44.7
12. Indiana 12 56 494 41.2
13. Minnesota 13 59 508 39.1
14. Purdue 12 50 434 36.2

Gee, I'm pretty sure the following are factual statements by the Director of b1g Turd Officiating no less:

'We kicked those calls,' Big Ten officiating head says of Penn State-Ohio State game

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"My philosophy is, I man up," Bill Carollo, the Big Ten's coordinator of officials, said in an interview Friday at the Big Ten media days. "We kicked those calls. I'm not happy with it, I'm not flippant about it, but I'm disappointed about it. They were pretty critical calls for Penn State."
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Buckeye fans know that they didn't earn the championship last year. They know with certainty that they were gifted a win over Penn State that was not earned and that the loss would have cost them even getting into the playoff. They are fake champs and they know it. That is why they are here so vehemently defending their loss to Penn State with anything that doesn't address the actual horribly biased and laughable calls all in their favor in that game. They know it. They know that they aren't real champions. They know that they were simply the best 2 loss team at the end of last season.

Good for you cheaters. Anytime you see 2014, you will know that was the year the refs and the B1G gifted you a championship. I suspect that this was going on well before PSU entered the B1G. Is there any Ohio St or Michigan championship that was actually earned? Or are all of their championships due to orders from the conference for key games to get them through? Pretty sad in my opinion. They are a program that has to cheat so blatantly that commentators remark about it during the game to claim their fake championships. Champs. Huh. More like chumps.
 
It's a good thing PSU isn't considered a blue blood program...the amount of whining from the fans would be an embarrassment to the real blue blooders
 
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It's a good thing PSU isn't considered a blue blood program...the amount of whining from the fans would be an embarrassment to the real blue blooders

Let's turn our attention to the 2005 season and 2008 season -- both seasons Ohio State lost to Penn State and both had the same conference record. By virtue of Penn State's wins over Ohio State, the Big Ten awarded the Championship to Penn State for each season......but to hear OSU fans tell it -- they won the Big Ten.

Might I say it -- Penn State won both season tilts and final championship, and Ohio State fans are delusional to think, and then also say, that they are 'champs.'
 
Let's turn our attention to the 2005 season and 2008 season -- both seasons Ohio State lost to Penn State and both had the same conference record. By virtue of Penn State's wins over Ohio State, the Big Ten awarded the Championship to Penn State for each season......but to hear OSU fans tell it -- they won the Big Ten.

Might I say it -- Penn State won both season tilts and final championship, and Ohio State fans are delusional to think, and then also say, that they are 'champs.'

I'm really trying to figure out the relevance of this post but I'm failing to see the connection...however congrats on your two wins I guess
 
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Buckeye fans know that they didn't earn the championship last year. They know with certainty that they were gifted a win over Penn State that was not earned and that the loss would have cost them even getting into the playoff. They are fake champs and they know it. That is why they are here so vehemently defending their loss to Penn State with anything that doesn't address the actual horribly biased and laughable calls all in their favor in that game. They know it. They know that they aren't real champions. They know that they were simply the best 2 loss team at the end of last season.

Good for you cheaters. Anytime you see 2014, you will know that was the year the refs and the B1G gifted you a championship. I suspect that this was going on well before PSU entered the B1G. Is there any Ohio St or Michigan championship that was actually earned? Or are all of their championships due to orders from the conference for key games to get them through? Pretty sad in my opinion. They are a program that has to cheat so blatantly that commentators remark about it during the game to claim their fake championships. Champs. Huh. More like chumps.
Just didn't like what I saw of the OSU program. The assistant coaches were hyperactive clowns dancing around trying to please the master. The players seemed generally dumb.

Sorry 9808, Buckeye fans KNOW OSU earned the championship last year. Most OSU fans agree that there were bad calls in the PSU game last year and the Buckeyes took advantage of them. In OT when either team could have won, the Buckeyes made the plays. You are the one in denial. No expert on football who isn't clouded by the PSU bias
 
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Thinks that OSU didn't deserve the championship as is evident by nearly 100% of those ranking the Buckeyes at the start of this season makes them the uncontested #1 team.

FYI, the Boogie Man doesn't exist either.
 
Let's turn our attention to the 2005 season and 2008 season -- both seasons Ohio State lost to Penn State and both had the same conference record. By virtue of Penn State's wins over Ohio State, the Big Ten awarded the Championship to Penn State for each season......but to hear OSU fans tell it -- they won the Big Ten.

Might I say it -- Penn State won both season tilts and final championship, and Ohio State fans are delusional to think, and then also say, that they are 'champs.'

Sorry, but at the time the Big 10 only recognized conference win/loss records to determine the champion. So if two teams finished with identical conference records, then they were awarded co-championships. It's the same as what happened with Baylor and TCU last season.
 
Calls are missed all the time. I have seen Penn State get away with many holds. Losers make excuses. Winners win. Ohio State won and Penn State fans are left to make excuses. Tell me this when Penn state hired their own officials as independents was getting favorable calls while using former players parents to work game was it fixed by Penn State?

I'm just curious what you and your ilk get out of pretending to be a fan of one school while clearly being a troll? On second thought, I don't care enough to not put you on ignore, so it will remain a mystery.
 
I'm just going to keep posting the only actual facts in this thread.

Fact: You're on Ohio State fan whose life is so pathetic you troll message boards of other schools.
Fact: You too are now on my ignore list.
 
Fact: You're on Ohio State fan whose life is so pathetic you troll message boards of other schools.
Fact: You too are now on my ignore list.
This!
I do not understand why people feel the need to troll message boards of rival schools. Get a life. If we are so delusional why would you want to engage in a debate with us?

# of times I have posted on another school's board = 0

In the unlikely event that we pull the upset in Columbus this year, how many of you will show up to offer congratulations? My guess would be 0.
 
I'm just curious what you and your ilk get out of pretending to be a fan of one school while clearly being a troll? On second thought, I don't care enough to not put you on ignore, so it will remain a mystery.
So because I don't believe there is some huge conspiracy I am pretending to be a Penn State? I did not know to be a Penn State fan independent thoughts were not allowed. This is a perfect example of why many call Penn State fans cult members. I simply have my own opinion and do not agree that it some intentional conspiracy to keep Penn State down. Since I do not regurgitate the same tired whiney excuses I get accused of pretending to be a fan. Should I attend some meeting for reprogramming so I can be accepted by you as a real fan?
 
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So because I don't believe there is some huge conspiracy I am pretending to be a Penn State? I did not know to be a Penn State fan independent thoughts were not allowed. This is a perfect example of why many call Penn State fans cult members. I simply have my own opinion and do not agree that it some intentional conspiracy to keep Penn State down. Since I do not regurgitate the same tired whiney excuses I get accused of pretending to be a fan. Should I attend some meeting for reprogramming so I can be accept by you as a real fan?

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Sorry 9808, Buckeye fans KNOW OSU earned the championship last year. Most OSU fans agree that there were bad calls in the PSU game last year and the Buckeyes took advantage of them. In OT when either team could have won, the Buckeyes made the plays. You are the one in denial. No expert on football who isn't clouded by the PSU bias

"Everybody knows that"? Gee, why is your bullshat contradicted by the statements of the homer Director of b1g Turd Officiating? Your BS about OT also amusing considering that PSU was penalized for 35 yards in penalties in the 2 OTs (including a completely made-up, joke call on an Extra Point that gave tO$U the ball at the 12 rather than 25 to start 2nd OT) while tO$U was called for zero penalties in OT despite Geno Lewis being massively interfered with in the endzone on 3rd down of PSU's 2OT possession:

'We kicked those calls,' Big Ten officiating head says of Penn State-Ohio State game

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"My philosophy is, I man up," Bill Carollo, the Big Ten's coordinator of officials, said in an interview Friday at the Big Ten media days. "We kicked those calls. I'm not happy with it, I'm not flippant about it, but I'm disappointed about it. They were pretty critical calls for Penn State."
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Here's a picture directly from Columbus dispatch with caption -- only in the homer b1g Turd is this considered a "fine defensive play" rather than blatant and obvious Pass Interference. This homer conference cheated in favor of tO$U last year over and over and over again AND EVERYBODY KNOWS IT AND RECOGNIZED IT except for the zero-class, zero-principle, chumbucket suckeye fans....

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Ohio State Buckeyes cornerback Eli Apple (13) defends Penn State Nittany Lions wide receiver Geno Lewis (7) during the 3rd quarter.
 
Horsehockey! The big turd conference knows that we would blow through you hilljacks every year if you didn't have those hand-picked, crooked as a dog's hind leg refs. We always belonged in the Big East or the ACC - Heck I'd settle for the Big 12 at this point.

Agreed. I know it's never going to happen, but we should just go back to Independent. Whatever conference we join, we'll always be the big, bad bully - going in and stealing all their wins. Let's just play everyone out of conference. Imagine playing Notre Dame, Alabama, USC, Syracuse, Florida State, Clemson, etc. every year (for the most part) (boycott anyone in the Big Ten, of course). We'll get into the national championship playoffs easy, even without the Big Ten voters. I know people like to "poo-poo" the "I'm taking my ball and going home" idea, but look: it's our ball, and they're all dick-holes - why SHOULDN'T we go home?
 
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In the unlikely event that we pull the upset in Columbus this year, how many of you will show up to offer congratulations? My guess would be 0.

That's not true at all. I'll absolutely be here to congratulate you.

Also, anyone that is going to Columbus for the game is more than welcome to come to my tailgate. I'll even put the '87 Fiesta Bowl on the TV before the noon games start (I actually just finished watching it last night on YouTube... what an unbelievable defensive game plan).

The fringe 5% from whom you get all of your negative anecdotes as justification for demeaning the university and it's fans are not representative of the fanbase as a whole. Not even close.
 
So because I don't believe there is some huge conspiracy I am pretending to be a Penn State? I did not know to be a Penn State fan independent thoughts were not allowed. This is a perfect example of why many call Penn State fans cult members. I simply have my own opinion and do not agree that it some intentional conspiracy to keep Penn State down. Since I do not regurgitate the same tired whiney excuses I get accused of pretending to be a fan. Should I attend some meeting for reprogramming so I can be accept by you as a real fan?

So you know --- the re-programming sessions occur at 4:00 PM ET every Monday, Wednesday, and Friday at various locations throughout the Commonwealth. There are also on-line sessions available for those who do not live in or near Pennsylvania.

These sessions are free --- absolutely no cost! Thank PS4RS for their financial support to make that possible.

Check out www.PennStateForever.org for details.
 
Agreed. I know it's never going to happen, but we should just go back to Independent. Whatever conference we join, we'll always be the big, bad bully - going in and stealing all their wins. Let's just play everyone out of conference. Imagine playing Notre Dame, Alabama, USC, Syracuse, Florida State, Clemson, etc. every year (for the most part) (boycott anyone in the Big Ten, of course). We'll get into the national championship playoffs easy, even without the Big Ten voters. I know people like to "poo-poo" the "I'm taking my ball and going home" idea, but look: it's our ball, and they're all dick-holes - why SHOULDN'T we go home?
Finally, Someone GETS it.
 
This!
I do not understand why people feel the need to troll message boards of rival schools. Get a life. If we are so delusional why would you want to engage in a debate with us?

# of times I have posted on another school's board = 0

In the unlikely event that we pull the upset in Columbus this year, how many of you will show up to offer congratulations? My guess would be 0.

As for their "everybody knows" bullshat - this article was posted by ESPN beat-writer Josh Moyer who has jack squat to do with PSU, tO$U or the b1g Turd and he clearly expresses what "everybody knows" happened in this game! See link below:

Are they taking Penn State down while boosting Ohio State up?

In addition, as Moyer correctly points out, by NCAA Rule the Replay Officials are supposed to have a LIVE FEED OF THE BROADCAST available to them (and O'Neil directly after the game attempted to claim that the liars reviewed the LIVE FEED BROADCAST - see the following link: Referee, replay official talk Ohio State-Penn State controversial calls). They then subsequently attempted to cover their lie by saying they didn't have access to a LIVE BROADCAST - despite this directly conflicting with the NCAA Rule, O'Neils post game statement, "....the replay team looks at are the feeds you get at home (e.g., live broadcast feed)", and finally as Moyer points out, the live feed playing within easy view of Replay Officials right outside their window on 10,285 square feet of video space right in front of their fat, corpulent, corrupt little faces. The NCAA Rule says that they are supposed to use whatever video is available to them INCLUDING THE LIVE FEED OF THE BROADCAST and it is absurd to claim this was not available to them and O'Neil even attempts to claim his Replay Officials reviewed the LIVE FEED, the same one you get at home, when defending the call rather than claim it wasn't available to them which is absurd on its face as Moyer points out!!!

Only MULTIPLE DAYS SUBSEQUENT to game and O'Neil's post-game LIES did the b1g Turd than attempt to claim that they did not have access to a LIVE GAME FEED OF THE BROADCAST as per the NCAA Rulebook (which again is absurd on its face as the massive video-boards on both ends of the stadium were playing the live feed and could easily be seen by the replay officials AND the replay booth - and entire stadium for that matter - are equipped with live feed jacks. Beyond that, the Replay Officials are supposed to be "monitoring" the live broadcast for questionable calls in need of review that are called down to Referee - e.g., "an Officials Review" - remember all the bullshat the b1g Turd spewed about "every play is reviewed"? How precisely do the Replay Officials "monitor the game" and "every play" if they have no access to a "live feed of the broadcast"? Not possible and proof they are lying scumbags that the Replay Officials didn't have access to a "live feed of the broadcast". Then to compound their lie - the Director of the b1g Turd Officiating, Bill Carollo, said the following in their subsequent statement:

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From that incident, Carollo said, several additional "failsafe replay mechanisms" were put into place. Among them was the addition of a television, with the sound muted, in every Big Ten replay booth the following weekend.
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This is utter bull$hit and attempting to act like the b1g Turd made some "innovation" the very next weekend. This is an obvious lie and spin as the NCAA Rule always called for the live broadcast feed to be made available to the Replay Officials otherwise how would they FOLLOW THE GAME to call in "Official Replay Reviews" and "review every play" if they aren't watching the broadcast??? Beyond that, the rule clearly states that they are permitted to use whatever feeds are available to them and the as Moyer points out, the large replay screens showing the play were EASILY VISIBLE and AVAILABLE TO THEM despite Carollo's inane claims to the contrary and having to hang out windows bull$hit (e.g., he is a clear LIAR just like the Officials he is covering for as proven by O'Neil's clearly fraudulent statements directly after the game. the b1g Turd's claim that Play Clock errors are not "reviewable" is also a LIE as proven by the fact that the Clock errors have been reviewed many times (including adding 2 seconds to the clock in a PSU-Michigan game!) - the ACTUAL NCAA RULE says that only EGREGIOUS clock errors are reviewable; it does not say that they can't be reviewed. If kicking a FG 4 full seconds after the Play Clock has experied is not a clear and egregious clock error, I don't know what is! (btw, aren't the Replay Officials supposed to be reviewing "every play"? So how did ABC figure out that the FG was kicked well after the Play Clock expired but the Replay Officials never called the Referee? Again, the officials and b1g Turd Officiating Offices claim that "clock errors are not reviewable" is a LIE and in complete disagreement with the ACTUAL NCAA RULEBOOK!! Go figure?!?!).

The last thing that proves the b1g Turd and Carollo are nothing but a pack of cheating liars is this statment from the recent b1g Turd Media Days -- hotlink attached above it:

'We kicked those calls,' Big Ten officiating head says of Penn State-Ohio State game

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"I think we should share the error with ABC, but the reality is, it was a mistake," Carollo said. "We got tied up in technology, and it didn't work the way it was supposed to work. We didn't get it fixed fast enough, and we had a problem. It was the perfect storm."
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This was said more than a year after the event and Carollo is still lamely attempting to blame the Broadcaster, ABC, as COVER for the b1g Turd's very clear and obvious FRAUDULENT STATEMENTS regarding the incident (e.g., LIES!!!). ABC has NEVER accepted any responsibility or even remotely confirmed any of these nonsense, bull$hit, made-up excuses of this lame, disgraceful conference and it's corrupt officiating office. Gee, why do you suppose Carollo paraphrased his statement above with "I think"??? Why do you suppose that ABC has NEVER confirmed any of the lame bull$hit this crap conference claimed in the week following the incident? I'll tell you why, because it is nothing but a pack of lies and bull$hit spin meant to protect corrupt officials and their equally corrupt conference masters - that's why. Given the amount of money that is bet on these games and the fact the amount of money these corrupt actions cost Big12 Athletic Departments (and the gross unfairness to PSU's Athletes and Athletic Dept), it is mind-boggling that PSU and the NCAA in general did not demand a thorough investigation of these incidents, O'Neil's statements directly after the game, the b1g Turd's subsequent fraudulent statements......a thorough investigation including interviews with technicians of ABC to get their understanding of events especially relative to the b1g Turd's outlandish, weak and clearly bull$hit claims attempting to place blame on ABC, etc....

There is no question in my mind here that the b1g Turd committed intentional fraud here and the told LIES (e.g., additional fraud) to cover for their corrupt officiating and further confuse the issues of the seminal events.
 
Several things:

First of all not trolling with the intent of putting down PSU or any football program. I have never said anything bad about the football program on this message board and I'm not one of those who take the Sandusky situation and paint a broad brush attack on the team or school. I dont initiate conversations about OSU on this board, but will respond to something you guys initiate.

Regarding last season's game, I and most Buckeye fans won't argue that there were bad calls by the officials. Every fan base of every sport from Youth to Professional can point to calls and games where they got the shorthand. But that doesn't change the fact that the team has to overcome those calls.

And specific to,that game, Ohio State had nothing to do with the calls. If you want to complain about the officiating be my guest, but directing your anger at a team that benefited but had nothing to do with the calls just shows your bias and need to find an excuse for the final results.

Then to go the extra step and try to justify that Ohio State didn't actually win the National Champioship makes even less sense.
 
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Oh the old, you have to overcome the bad calls. Look it was at least 10 points of them all in Ohio St's favor in an overtime game. Should we be 2 TDs better than you that day to win? 3? And it's not just last year, it's every year a game or 2 that Ohio St or Michigan needs help. This is the main reason why inferior Ohio St and Michigan teams almost always embarrass the B1G in their undeserved matchup with a superior SEC team that actually earned their record.

Cheating for Ohio St and Michigan is bad for this conference in the long run. But it occurs every year. Once in a blue moon an undeserving Ohio St may get hot at the end of a 2 loss season and win a fake championship that they had no business being in if the entire season's work was considered and the games were called fairly. But that is rare. Most years Ohio St and Mich teams with 1 to 2 additional referee aided wins get blasted by their bowl opponents. You see, the officials from other conferences usually are not also Ohio St and Mich fans working those respective games. So your conference advantage goes away in the post season.
 
Oh the old, you have to overcome the bad calls. Look it was at least 10 points of them all in Ohio St's favor in an overtime game. Should we be 2 TDs better than you that day to win? 3? And it's not just last year, it's every year a game or 2 that Ohio St or Michigan needs help. This is the main reason why inferior Ohio St and Michigan teams almost always embarrass the B1G in their undeserved matchup with a superior SEC team that actually earned their record.

Cheating for Ohio St and Michigan is bad for this conference in the long run. But it occurs every year. Once in a blue moon an undeserving Ohio St may get hot at the end of a 2 loss season and win a fake championship that they had no business being in if the entire season's work was considered and the games were called fairly. But that is rare. Most years Ohio St and Mich teams with 1 to 2 additional referee aided wins get blasted by their bowl opponents. You see, the officials from other conferences usually are not also Ohio St and Mich fans working those respective games. So your conference advantage goes away in the post season.

The reason the SEC has taken care of programs like OSU, Michigan, Oklahoma, and nearly every top program from other P5 conferences the past several years is that the top teams in the SEC had better talent. I'm sorry if the Big 10, NCAA, and the forces of nature have it in for Penn State, you must be a very miserable person.
 
Back again so soon? I thought you were almost never here. You must lurk here constantly just waiting to jump on any thread mentioning OSU. # of times I have posted on other teams' boards = 0.
THIS is my 4th post in 8 days, according to the site records. And two of them (the last two before today) were last Sunday.

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Do I care how many times you've posted on other teams sites? I do not.
 
THIS is my 4th post in 8 days, according to the site records. And two of them (the last two before today) were last Sunday.

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Do I care how many times you've posted on other teams sites? I do not.

Talking to yourself again? You sound like Jimmy from Seinfeld....Does Jimmy care how many times.... No, Jimmy doesn't care.

Okay Jimmy.....Jimmy says the suckeyes are the best....blah, blah, blah...
 
Several things:

First of all not trolling with the intent of putting down PSU or any football program. I have never said anything bad about the football program on this message board and I'm not one of those who take the Sandusky situation and paint a broad brush attack on the team or school. I dont initiate conversations about OSU on this board, but will respond to something you guys initiate.

Regarding last season's game, I and most Buckeye fans won't argue that there were bad calls by the officials. Every fan base of every sport from Youth to Professional can point to calls and games where they got the shorthand. But that doesn't change the fact that the team has to overcome those calls.

And specific to,that game, Ohio State had nothing to do with the calls. If you want to complain about the officiating be my guest, but directing your anger at a team that benefited but had nothing to do with the calls just shows your bias and need to find an excuse for the final results.

Then to go the extra step and try to justify that Ohio State didn't actually win the National Champioship makes even less sense.

most buckeye fans agree that the officiating was ridiculous at the least, I agree with that. You can say that all big ten refs are bad. BUT when ridiculous calls go against one time throughout the game, that is bias and no matter what Penn State did they were not going to win the game, this is what the buckeye fans don't agree with. If the officials had made all those calls against OSU then Penn State would've won the game without Overtime. Just to clarify my wife is a Penn State alum, I am not an alum and couldn't say a fan of Penn State but I know when the fix is in. It will happen this year also because there is too much money involved with putting a team in the playoffs.
 
in reply to psufan9808

"And it's not just last year, it's every year a game or 2 that Ohio St or Michigan needs help."
Michigan sure didn't get that help last year. They were 5-7. I guess the refs didn't do their jobs.


"This is the main reason why inferior Ohio St and Michigan teams almost always embarrass the B1G in their undeserved matchup with a superior SEC team that actually earned their record."
Like how Ohio State embarrassed the B1G versus Alabama??? Oh wait...


"Cheating for Ohio St and Michigan is bad for this conference in the long run."
Bad calls are not "cheating". Paying the refs would be cheating. And I can assure you that's not happening.


"Most years Ohio St and Mich teams with 1 to 2 additional referee aided wins get blasted by their bowl opponents"
OSU is 8-4 in BCS/NY6 bowl games, including two national titles. Facts are stubborn things.


Dial back the delusions, man. I really like PSU. Always was a big JoePa fan. I always have a great time in State College for game weekends. The people have generally been great. I look forward to coming back every chance I get. But man oh man, your "B1G hates us" conspiracy nonsense is just too much to take sometimes.
 
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