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Parker Washington should have returned this year.

How? He wanted to play in the NFL and was drafted. He was ready to move on. Where's the mistake? Because you think he should have returned without any guarantee of his stock changing and delaying starting his career a year? He was drafted...mission accomplished.
Read more carefully. I didn't say he made a good or bad choice. I said a 6th round pick doesn't prove he made a good choice.
 
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The second contract argument is silly too. He has to make the team to cash in on an $800k/yr contract. Then he has to stick with the team for 3 years before he can negotiate for a 5th year. Looking forward to a second contract at this point is putting the cart before the horse.

Players taken in the sixth and seventh-rounds have the toughest time to earn a roster spot. Their odds can fall as low as having a 30-35% chance of making a team.
It's not. The second contract is the key. You get to that as soon as possible. If he can't make a team now that's not changing in 12 months.
 
Read more carefully. I didn't say he made a good or bad choice. I said a 6th round pick doesn't prove he made a good choice.
It does prove it. He wanted to play in the NFL and is getting his shot. Again, this "he should have returned" has nothing to do with him just want you all want for Penn State. He made his decision. He was drafted. Support it instead of being selfish.
 
It does prove it. He wanted to play in the NFL and is getting his shot. Again, this "he should have returned" has nothing to do with him just want you all want for Penn State. He made his decision. He was drafted. Support it instead of being selfish.
Stop it! I didn't say he should have returned. You keep misrepresenting what I said.
 
Stop it! I didn't say he should have returned. You keep misrepresenting what I said.
I'm not misrepresenting anything. You're saying we don't know if it was a good decision. We do know. It's what he wanted and he was drafted. That was his goal. That's his dream. Leave it at that.
The draft is an inexact science. He was drafted. Mission accomplished. Pretending this can even be considered a bad decision is false.
 
It's not. The second contract is the key. You get to that as soon as possible.
As soon as possible is after his 3rd season. He can't hurry up to get to his second contract.

Only 28.2 percent of players drafted in Rounds 4, 5, 6 and 7 were retained at the end of their first contract—which is a number that is largely supported by an abundance of fourth-round picks re-upping. Rounds 5, 6 and 7 made up 16.7 percent of the 28.2 percent total.
 
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He has no chance to ever be a 1st round pick let alone a second. Look at the WRs in next year's class. This class was considered weak. And who says Allar is good let alone great in year 1. Plus two elite RBs likely limits his touches.
Having a great running game obviously opens up the passing game as teams will load the box. That is football 101. Saying that he would have no chance in the upper rounds next year while healthy is unfair and inaccurate . He definitely is very talented. He certainly would do better than the 6th round!!! The offense will be much better than last year.
 
As soon as possible is after his 3rd season.

Only 28.2 percent of players drafted in Rounds 4, 5, 6 and 7 were retained at the end of their first contract—which is a number that is largely supported by an abundance of fourth-round picks re-upping. Rounds 5, 6 and 7 made up 16.7 percent of the 28.2 percent total.
And again...there's no guarantee of ever going earlier so you go when you have the opportunity.
 
Having a great running game obviously opens up the passing game as teams will load the box. That is football 101. Saying that he would have no chance in the upper rounds next year while healthy is unfair and inaccurate . He definitely is very talented. He certainly would do better than the 6th round!!! The offense will be much better than last year.
Having two elite backs, in theory, means we will be a run heavy offense.

The fact you just said he CERTAINLY would do better than the 6th round d proves you're clueless. His ceiling is a slot receiver that contributes on special teams. Teams that don't like him currently aren't going to change their mind if he produces more. We all know production is irrelevant for the draft.
 
Having a great running game obviously opens up the passing game as teams will load the box. That is football 101. Saying that he would have no chance in the upper rounds next year while healthy is unfair and inaccurate . He definitely is very talented. He certainly would do better than the 6th round!!! The offense will be much better than last year.
I think he's top 3 rounds if he comes back, no question. But he didnt want to bet on himself unfortunately.
 
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I think he's top 3 rounds if he comes back, no question. But he didnt want to bet on himself unfortunately.
I actually think it is more likely that someone may have given him bad advice that he would be a 2 or 3 this year. Someone has been in the ear of guys who weren't ready since Barnes left on an Ohio St coaches advice.
 
related question but if a player declares for the draft, can they rescind that before the draft and return to school? I fully understood Parker declaring but once his injury issues lingered and he wasn’t able to go to the combine it seems likely he would fall in the draft. He doesn’t have “elite” enough skills/measurables to be taken early in the draft with an injury concern.

If he is fine with going in a later round and cashing in now, great for him. But if he views this as a disappointment or has more longer terms aspirations then returning and having a good season if he were healthy would almost certainly have resulted in him going higher - I’d say potentially as high as the 2nd round but more likely 3rd or 4th which have have improved his long term NFL prospects and initial payout. With NIL money, the urgency to go early should in theory be lessened if staying would improve your draft value.
 
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related question but if a player declares for the draft, can they rescind that before the draft and return to school? I fully understood Parker declaring but once his injury issues lingered and he wasn’t able to go to the combine it seems likely he would fall in the draft. He doesn’t have “elite” enough skills/measurables to be taken early in the draft with an injury concern.

If he is fine with going in a later round and cashing in now, great for him. But if he views this as a disappointment or has more longer terms aspirations then returning and having a good season if he were healthy would almost certainly have resulted in him going higher - I’d say potentially as high as the 2nd round but more likely 3rd or 4th which have have improved his long term NFL prospects and initial payout. With NIL money, the urgency to go early should in theory be lessened if staying would improve your draft value.
We all agree except for Lando.
 
Please, those that don't care about Washington and other PSU players are the ones who are good with these kids going early when it is clearly against their best interests in terms of draft position and future earnings potential. The bottom line is that Washington likely lost a good bit of money by wanting it this year when so much was going against him. If he could have just been a little more patient, he'd have a much better shot at sticking in the NFL and earning a higher early payday.
Right. You care about their best interests more than their parents.

Do you think players with no shot at the nfl should quit the team once they have their degree? Is losing a years pay and risking life long injuries in their best interest?
 
Right. You care about their best interests more than their parents.

Do you think players with no shot at the nfl should quit the team once they have their degree? Is losing a years pay and risking life long injuries in their best interest?
It’s a lot more complicated nowadays with NIL money and insurance as well. I think at one point we’ll see more kids stay in college for a 4th yr since there is income now.
 
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It’s a lot more complicated nowadays with NIL money and insurance as well. I think at one point we’ll see more kids stay in college for a 4th yr since there is income now.
Maybe but I doubt that. I think many underestimate the fact they don't want to stay in school longer.
 
Right. You care about their best interests more than their parents.

Do you think players with no shot at the nfl should quit the team once they have their degree? Is losing a years pay and risking life long injuries in their best interest?
Washington almost certainly lost large sums of money by leaving early while still injured. I would put the likelihood that he would have made more by returning at well over 90% and I am by no means not alone in that assessment. His draft position was very telling. If I were his parents, I would be asking whomever it was that sold him on him going in round 2 or 3 why they cost him so much. They have to feel like they were duped by whomever sold him sunshine and lollipops and they are probably kicking themselves for not realizing their son was making a huge mistake.

As for your 2nd question, it is not relevant to the discussion about Parker Washington.
 
Washington almost certainly lost large sums of money by leaving early while still injured. I would put the likelihood that he would have made more by returning at well over 90% and I am by no means not alone in that assessment. His draft position was very telling. If I were his parents, I would be asking whomever it was that sold him on him going in round 2 or 3 why they cost him so much. They have to feel like they were duped by whomever sold him sunshine and lollipops and they are probably kicking themselves for not realizing their son was making a huge mistake.

As for your 2nd question, it is not relevant to the discussion about Parker Washington.
Who says he thought he was going on Day 2?
 
Read more carefully. I didn't say he made a good or bad choice. I said a 6th round pick doesn't prove he made a good choice.

Wrong. You don't know where he would have been drafted next year. He might have been drafted the same round or lower and lost one year of pay. He might also get hurt if he stayed in college.
 
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Wrong. You don't know where he would have been drafted next year. He might have been drafted the same round or lower and lost one year of pay. He might also get hurt if he stayed in college.
Wrong about what?
 
"6th round pick does not prove he made a good choice."



Did the college players who were not even drafted make he right choice?

6rh round > 7th round and undrafted.
It's their choice. We don't know if they would have stayed in school if they knew what they know now but it's possible.

Amazingly you seem to know more about how the players feel than they do.
 
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It's their choice. We don't know if they would have stayed in school if they knew what they know now but it's possible.

Amazingly you seem to know more about how the players feel than they do.

It is the people who do NOT agree with the players decision who think they know more.
 
I mean pretty sure that no one wants to lose millions. Could be wrong.
Yep. In all likelihood, Parker was duped out of millions by whomever talked him into leaving early with less production than the previous year and still not able to test after injury. 90% or better probability that this decision cost him at least 2 or 3 rounds. But he seems to have listened to someone selling him sunshine and lollipops.
 
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