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Really want PSU to use it more than just short yardage situations. Formation averaged over 5 yds a carry. Would love to see a fake and pass off the formation, too.
It's well suited to a bootleg pass and also the off TE running a drag and lead back slipping into the flat...well suited to a 2 point conversion play.
And if you can run it for 5 ypc, keep doing that. Lol
It is a great short yardage formation. You can go QB sneak and have all the backs go push the QB. You can run right or left with a pair of lead blockers. So QB goes to the line and then call the play based on what he sees. It is also not a slow developing play where the Dline can get penetration and blow things up as the Oline blocking is pretty much hat on hat block the guy in front of you.
I like it because with tight splits everyone seals and the lead back "traps" the first man outside of the TE block. RBs are closer to the LOS so offside "leaks" should be mitigated. Your aren't really running into the teeth of the defense clogging the gaps.....just looking to create a crack between the TE and the RBs lead block. Because of the tight splits, the ball carrier quickly reaches the point of attack.
At the same time you give the running back the option of going outside, or basically cutting up into the line wherever he sees a hole and thinks he can make it if a specific Olineman gets. A good push. Just some many options for plays and for the back.
Until the one time in a key situation that it doesn’t work, then we’ll hear how bad it is and we need to stop using it so much.
The OLB or DE dictates with his movement. If he keeps his shoulders square on the LOS and squeezes the off tackle hole...then you put your head on this outside hip and seal him in.
Actually the beauty is that you don't really need a "push" ....we used to call it a "boom" or picket fence. Just don't allow penetration and a natural crack will appear.
Yep....doesn't work....need to get more creative.....poor coaching....que Coach Wally
Not so sure you can give any credit to Mike for that formation. It has been around for a long, long time. Just hasn’t been used very much recently at the college or pro level.
That’s like saying you can’t give Elon Musk any credit for electric vehicles because they’ve been around since the 1830s.
You can get credit for bringing something back, reimagining it, modernizing it, scaling it, etc.
I was talking about the formation itself. Tight T has been around for a long time. Maybe going back to leather helmet days. Of course what you do out of it and the success or failure is credited to the coach and players ability to execute. Considering that in the day of spread offenses, defenses rarely see tight power formations, it certainly could be considered an innovative wrinkle, The fact that it is balanced also gives defenses something to think about.
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I think what changed to make the Tight T better is that the Bush Push is now legal. So you can do the tight T, and push the QB across the line. To counter, the D lines up their LB on the LOS and the S a yard back to help push (the CBs go into man coverage if someone is split or they also go to the middle to help push the offense back). So now the D has everyone on the LOS with nobody back or they give up a yard or two with the push. In this case, the O takes the two 240+ TEs and has them block off tackle. You still get a good shot at getting the line to gain or, as we've seen with a big/fast back, an opportunity to go to the house with no S's back to stop it.
So my point is that the Bush Push has validated the Tight T and made it much more effective and explosive. It is really a problem on short-yardage situations. Kudo's to the offensive mind trust.
To be honest, I first saw this with Bill Snyder's Kansas State short yardage. A thing of beauty in 2016!
Back in the 80’s a lot of the Beaver Valley teams ran the Tight T. They ran the “drive” series with the QB either giving or faking to the fullback inside at the 2 or 3 hole, or giving to the far side half back with the near side half back kicking out the DE or OLB. (6 or 7 hole). If the inside gap defenders bit on the fullback the off tackle was usually there. If the defense started to over play the drive play, they would come back with a counter trap at the backside 4 or 5 hole.I think what changed to make the Tight T better is that the Bush Push is now legal. So you can do the tight T, and push the QB across the line. To counter, the D lines up their LB on the LOS and the S a yard back to help push (the CBs go into man coverage if someone is split or they also go to the middle to help push the offense back). So now the D has everyone on the LOS with nobody back or they give up a yard or two with the push. In this case, the O takes the two 240+ TEs and has them block off tackle. You still get a good shot at getting the line to gain or, as we've seen with a big/fast back, an opportunity to go to the house with no S's back to stop it.
So my point is that the Bush Push has validated the Tight T and made it much more effective and explosive. It is really a problem on short-yardage situations. Kudo's to the offensive mind trust.
To be honest, I first saw this with Bill Snyder's Kansas State short yardage. A thing of beauty in 2016!
Difficult to defend, especially if you had a good O line. Your right about the danger of giving up a big play because most defenses brought up safeties to crowd the LOS in order to stop it. So no one was back if the back broke through the LOS.
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Agreed. For whatever reason, that era abandoned the passing game as we knew it. I recall Darrell Royal (I think) saying when you passed one of three things happened and two were bad (incomplete, Interception). He ran the triple option at the time. (which is almost a T formation but we called it the wishbone). Paterno always used to say that the Winged T was a simple variation of the west coast spread formation.
We are now starting to see more and more teams move to eclectic offenses that can incorporate all kinds of options depending upon the D. IMHO, Moorhead's offense was great as he had the personnel to do everything with one personnel grouping but his offense lacked a short yardage game. It looks like we simply have a power run formation, the Tight T, and can run the push or the off tackle plays. I'll be we see a TE seam route off of it before too long.
Being able to run multiple styles of offense and formations effectively really makes an offense tough to stop. You let the defense pick their poison, then give it to them.
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