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Penn State conversation at Reno Worlds

Rhino80

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I'm in Reno this weekend, my 10 yr old just won his first Reno title. A HS coach approached us afterwards, complemented my son , told him to keep working hard and he'll wrestle Div 1. My boy told him he wanted to wrestle at PSU. He told us if he wants to wrestle for Cael , that he better focus on grades. Apparently he had a HS wrestler that was willing to walk on for no money. The kid had other Div 1 offers , but was willing to pay his own way. He was turned away because he wasn't getting very good grades.

Good to here those stories, made a big impression on my son.
 
Ha. A friend of my wife's took her son to one of the duals. Afterwards, we hung out waiting for the wrestlers to come out of the locker room, so the kid could get autographs. Mark Hall came out, the kid went to get his autograph, and my wife says, "He wants to wrestle at Penn State." Without missing a beat, Mark says, "If you want to wrestle here, you need to study and get good grades." Not a word about wrestling.
 
It is nice to hear these PSU stories, and while they reflect well on PSU, Cael, the staff and the wrestlers, this is common across D1. For most D1 institutions grades are a very real and important part of the evaluation process, a fact that many athletes and parents don't realize until it is too late. Roster spots are valuable, APR is important to coach's livelihood and grades are often an indication of many of the characteristics that it takes to become successful in D1 beyond talent.

I was given some numbers by a college coach during the recruiting process and while I can't remember the numbers exactly, it went something like this - 60% of all D1 institutions won't even look at a wrestler that has less than a 3.0GPA. At 2.7 or 2.8 I think the number was close to 75% of all institutions - I know this was the case for the team whose coach told me this - they were a mid-major and their cut-off was 2.8. It could even have been 90% of all institutions - again, I apologize, this was a couple of years ago and I don't remember the exact numbers, but they were startling.

Many people just don't believe this, but I can assure you that it is true. Beyond my own experience in these matters, I have known or am currently friends with many families of D1 wrestlers and the stories are all the same - for the good and the bad. People will point out the rare exception to this here and there as evidence to the contrary, but if you really know what is going on behind the scenes, there is usually more to the story than meets the public eye in those cases or coaches are judicially using their very limited supply of "exceptions" (most of which are usually reserved for the football or basketball teams at major institutions).

If you can't take care of your academics at the HS level, it is a big risk for a coach to assume that you will be able to fulfill the #1 requisite for getting mat time at the D1 level - staying in school and being eligible. And with less than 1% of HS wrestlers moving on to D1, you can be assured that the pool is deep with similarly talented wrestlers that HAVE taken care of business in the classroom.

We have had some recent discussions about a high profile recruit who ended up at tOSU and some hand-wringing by a few over it. Much of the discussion centered around some youthful indiscretions, but as I pointed out, there was a lot of uncertainty with Sammy grade-wise as late as his JR year. I obviously don't know anything for certain, but to me that is most likely just a big a reason why the ship sailed as the other things. Maybe more so.
 
Big picture, the word "choices" was drilled into my head as a youth, and have been using ever since, regardless of the circumstance...
-- Good grades in Middle School/High School gives one more college "choices".
-- Back it up one step...good study habits gets one good grades, which gives one more college "choices".
-- For High School student-athletes, work hard at your craft (example: wrestling), and you will have more college "choices" (meaning more schools looking at you). This does not mean every kid has D1 potential, it DOES mean being the best version of oneself will earn you better, and more "choices", whether it's D1, D2, D3, JUCO, whatever.
-- The word "choices" applies to college student-athletes too...
-- It's a "choice" to hit the practice field/mat, and be the best athlete one can be.
-- It's a "choice" to study hard, finish academics strong, and have more "choices" in terms of job offers.

...and on and on...basically "life is full of choices", each and every day, and every "choice" has a consequence, some good, some not so good. I'll be honest, this isn't rocket science, but to get across to youth is much harder than older adults. Even then, some never get it.
 
It is nice to hear these PSU stories, and while they reflect well on PSU, Cael, the staff and the wrestlers, this is common across D1. For most D1 institutions grades are a very real and important part of the evaluation process, a fact that many athletes and parents don't realize until it is too late. Roster spots are valuable, APR is important to coach's livelihood and grades are often an indication of many of the characteristics that it takes to become successful in D1 beyond talent.

I was given some numbers by a college coach during the recruiting process and while I can't remember the numbers exactly, it went something like this - 60% of all D1 institutions won't even look at a wrestler that has less than a 3.0GPA. At 2.7 or 2.8 I think the number was close to 75% of all institutions - I know this was the case for the team whose coach told me this - they were a mid-major and their cut-off was 2.8. It could even have been 90% of all institutions - again, I apologize, this was a couple of years ago and I don't remember the exact numbers, but they were startling.

Many people just don't believe this, but I can assure you that it is true. Beyond my own experience in these matters, I have known or am currently friends with many families of D1 wrestlers and the stories are all the same - for the good and the bad. People will point out the rare exception to this here and there as evidence to the contrary, but if you really know what is going on behind the scenes, there is usually more to the story than meets the public eye in those cases or coaches are judicially using their very limited supply of "exceptions" (most of which are usually reserved for the football or basketball teams at major institutions).

If you can't take care of your academics at the HS level, it is a big risk for a coach to assume that you will be able to fulfill the #1 requisite for getting mat time at the D1 level - staying in school and being eligible. And with less than 1% of HS wrestlers moving on to D1, you can be assured that the pool is deep with similarly talented wrestlers that HAVE taken care of business in the classroom.

We have had some recent discussions about a high profile recruit who ended up at tOSU and some hand-wringing by a few over it. Much of the discussion centered around some youthful indiscretions, but as I pointed out, there was a lot of uncertainty with Sammy grade-wise as late as his JR year. I obviously don't know anything for certain, but to me that is most likely just a big a reason why the ship sailed as the other things. Maybe more so.
I believe Ohio State runs a pretty clean ship also when it comes academics. They were willing to take a chance on Sasso. I think sometimes a kid's history can scare coaches away.
I personally know a kid that was recruited by Cael. Part of the process was the kid along with the parents going/staying at Cael's house. I believe that family's makeup is critical in the decisions that Cael makes on recriuts.
 
I believe Ohio State runs a pretty clean ship also when it comes academics. They were willing to take a chance on Sasso. I think sometimes a kid's history can scare coaches away.
I personally know a kid that was recruited by Cael. Part of the process was the kid along with the parents going/staying at Cael's house. I believe that family's makeup is critical in the decisions that Cael makes on recriuts.

Which if I read the tealeaves and whispers is why Conel and PSU May have been a great fit, Conel seems from what he has said a very heady guy into computer programming and family and faith. So basically a perfect fit.
 
Also, having a beloved hero tell your kid to focus on grades is excellent PR for said hero and his chosen institution, right? Just saying.
 
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Also, having a beloved hero tell your kid to focus on grades is excellent PR for said hero and his chosen institution, right? Just saying.

It wasn't Cael talking to my son. It was a random HS coach out West. PR and Cael dont belong in the same sentence. I almost wish it did. I would love more access to the coaching staffs thoughts. I'd love Flo documentaries on the coaches and athletes. That said, what they do works. It works well , and I'm good with that.
 
I'm not saying it's a bad thing--I'm just saying that our kids (like Mark Hall in the example above) are well coached when it comes to media and public relations too. No, Cael doesn't think he needs to make every second of public attention a commercial for his product like some coaches, but if you think controlling the message and representing the program isn't a part of his equation, I don't think you've been paying attention. No judgement there--he's excelling at it.
 
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