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Took 5 seconds to find this article in Forbes.
It’s GPAs Not Standardized Tests That Predict College Success
A new study has overturned the conventional wisdom that standardized tests are an objective indicator of whether a student is ready for college.
www.forbes.com
Key takeway...
"Researchers at the University of Chicago compared the relationship between GPAs and SAT scores with college graduation rates, and found the former had a much stronger correlation than the latter."
No data is presented, not one single piece of data. Some conclusions and opinions yes, data no. I've never seen actual data on any of these studies. It's interesting how they used ACT and SAT interchangeably. They are very different tests, yet the writer doesn't seem to know that distinction.Took 5 seconds to find this article in Forbes.
It’s GPAs Not Standardized Tests That Predict College Success
A new study has overturned the conventional wisdom that standardized tests are an objective indicator of whether a student is ready for college.
Key takeway...
"Researchers at the University of Chicago compared the relationship between GPAs and SAT scores with college graduation rates, and found the former had a much stronger correlation than the latter."
I would add further that they don't say that there isn't correlation with SAT scores and graduation, only that GPA is more correlated. So both could be very well correlated and great predictors of success in obtaining a degree. Why not use all predictors as the combination of SAT and GPA is likely the highest correlation with graduation.
Additionally there is no granulation of their claim to various majors. I suspect if your quantitative scores are low but GPA is high then you are likely to not make it in science and engineering but may do just fine in history or the arts.
As someone who has worked in education for 25+ years and seeing how the changes over the last dozen years have been made to allow kids to get a 50% for just turning in a POS assignment as well as allowing them to redo all of their assignments There’s no way that child’s high school GPA is a better assessor of how they will do in college than the SAT.
We’ve seen the average GPA go up all over the state of Maryland, and yet we are not producing better students from it. When you have to allow kids to redo assignments multiple times over, there’s no way that their GPA is a reflection of their real abilities.
Agreed. I can understand that SAT isn’t good but GPAs are a factor of a lot of things including the quality of the school and difficulty of the class courses chosen. Hard to imagine there is any consistency there.
I am out. I am not in the argument about who goes to college and who doesn’t. I don’t care at all. I work with minorities whom I think you are discussing. I simply responded to your statements by asking for anything that says SATs don’t predict freshman GPA and graduating college. You will never be able to show me that except using anecdotal exceptions to the rule.
Doesn’t eliminate the predictor value of SATs. Used in combination with GPA is the best predictor. SATs show intelligence. GPA shows willing to work. What a surprise that both combined are the best predictor. Yes I know I said I was out.Took 5 seconds to find this article in Forbes.
It’s GPAs Not Standardized Tests That Predict College Success
A new study has overturned the conventional wisdom that standardized tests are an objective indicator of whether a student is ready for college.
Key takeway...
"Researchers at the University of Chicago compared the relationship between GPAs and SAT scores with college graduation rates, and found the former had a much stronger correlation than the latter."
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Exactly. All colleges have to scale kids GPAs when they rank them as well. You’ve got a lot of school systems that just use the standard 90% is an A 80% is a B etc. but you also have these small township schools like some of the rural ones I know in Pennsylvania where a 95% is an A and an 87% is a B and kids have to get at least a 67 to pass. The kid from that rural school district with a 3.4 is probably the better student than the kid from a different school district. Who’s got a 3.7 because the grading scale is much tougher. Add to that the ability to constantly redo tests, and GPA actually becomes a poor determining factor in someone’s ability. There are a ton of high school seniors who just graduated here in Maryland that got into a four-year university, but because their GPA was bloated due to these policies, they will either completely drop out or be back at a local community college within the year.
There is no granulation because they don't/won't show the data, which would enable others to actually analyze the data.
LOL. Why'd you place it in quotes if they did not say it? Btw, I have the immutable characteristic of being NOT among those whose parents or grandparents went to Harvard. Yet those with the opposite immutable characteristic make up > 30% of Harvard's admissions. so you are saying Scotus believes Harvard is obviously wrong to admit legacies?
Tell you what, Sparky: how 'bout you make sure the lawn is mowed straight and leave the heavy intellectual lifting to someone with the muscles to do it?
Aren't you busy trying to figure out who to sue because they didn't control covid through contact tracing? How's that going for you?
We'll just chalk you up as being in favor of judging people based on their skin color.
Dems: Some things never change. 👍👍👍
And for the record, whether one approves or not, being a legacy has nothing to do with immutable characteristics. It has to do with money and fundraising and elitism...but you probably understand that being of heavy intellectual capability 🤣🤣🤣🤣
I don't know why this is so hard. I googled "definition of racism" and don't see anything about one race being preferred over another. In fact, that IS the very definition of racism.
rac·ism
noun
- prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism by an individual, community, or institution against a person or people on the basis of their membership in a particular racial or ethnic group, typically one that is a minority or marginalized. "a program to combat racism"
- the belief that different races possess distinct characteristics, abilities, or qualities, especially so as to distinguish them as inferior or superior to one another.
"theories of racism"
Of course.....Obli, they want you to be able to change the definition to suit their victim agenda.
Would you feel better if it was referred to as "historical racism against black people in America," rather than just racism?
I think, and have always thought, racism is wrong. Reading the 14th amendment, I never saw the word "but" at any time. It, and the laws, call racism illegal in the USA. If you are experiencing racism, call it out. 99% of people will support you.
Not surprisingly, I don't think you should be allowed to go rob a family if your family had been robbed.
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