Happy Valley Insider - Penn State set to open 2022 season unranked in Coaches Poll
Penn State is unranked in the USA Today Coaches Poll to start the 2022 season.
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Gonna have to regain respect on the field. There is no other way.Happy Valley Insider - Penn State set to open 2022 season unranked in Coaches Poll
Penn State is unranked in the USA Today Coaches Poll to start the 2022 season.pennstate.rivals.com
Not a single vote from his fellow coaches. That is one telling statistic. I'll continue to pay attention to Penn State and will root for them if my schedule allows. The days of spending thousands of dollars on flights, rv rentals, tickets, gear, etc. are over.Happy Valley Insider - Penn State set to open 2022 season unranked in Coaches Poll
Penn State is unranked in the USA Today Coaches Poll to start the 2022 season.pennstate.rivals.com
Yep. They don't deserve a ranking.Gonna have to regain respect on the field. There is no other way.
Lol. He will have at least a dozen of you on here defending him, including youThis is a critical year for CJF. A season with more than 3 losses will be a disaster for him. I think people are willing to understand a loss to tOSU, UM and one other quality opponent (MSU, Auburn) but a crappy loss like last year's Illinois or the rest will put him on the hot seat with few defenders.
That see what everyone else sees: 11-11.Yeah, the national people aren't closely evaluating our talent. They look at the .500 record the last 2 years, the putrid performance in the bowl game and no big name stars.
...and you know that how?Lol. He will have at least a dozen of you on here defending him, including you
Those national people are not in touch with reality like all of us PSU folk are. They don't know how Franklin's HC prowess gives us a 14-point advantage, and just showing up in a PSU uniform adds another 7-10 points. They aren't intelligent enough to comprehend all of our nifty built-in advantages.Yeah, the national people aren't closely evaluating our talent. They look at the .500 record the last 2 years, the putrid performance in the bowl game and no big name stars.
...We should be ranked top-10 pre-season every year.
The O-Line is key to winning at least 9. However, if we go 9-3 losing to say, O$U, scUM and Sparty with a trip to some nothing middling bowl are we to be satisfied? That would mean we beat Purdue and Auburn on the road for our two biggest wins and I guess a bowl win against some other 3-4 loss team. It also means we finish 4th out 7 teams in the B10 East. Nothing really to celebrate there.This is a critical year for CJF. A season with more than 3 losses will be a disaster for him. I think people are willing to understand a loss to tOSU, UM and one other quality opponent (MSU, Auburn) but a crappy loss like last year's Illinois or the rest will put him on the hot seat with few defenders.
Got $80 million you're willing to part with? If not, then it's not your call.The O-Line is key.
The O-Line is key to winning at least 9. However, if we go 9-3 losing to say, O$U, scUM and Sparty with a trip to some nothing middling bowl are we to be satisfied? That would mean we beat Purdue and Auburn on the road for our two biggest wins and I guess a bowl win against some other 3-4 loss team. It also means we finish 4th out 7 teams in the B10 East. Nothing really to celebrate there.
We finish with 10 wins (counting a bowl win) but are no where close to even a top 10 team much less a playoff team. Franklin of course stays on and who knows if his seat is even remotely hot.
Then we go into '23 with Allar at QB and do we have the same three loss expectations? Two losses? At some point we need to improve from 9-3 or even 10-2 regular seasons. Can Franklin do that? The $80 million question. Will this new AD do something that Sandy had no clue on what to do which is fire him for poor on field results?
The O-Line is key.
The O-Line is key to winning at least 9. However, if we go 9-3 losing to say, O$U, scUM and Sparty with a trip to some nothing middling bowl are we to be satisfied? That would mean we beat Purdue and Auburn on the road for our two biggest wins and I guess a bowl win against some other 3-4 loss team. It also means we finish 4th out 7 teams in the B10 East. Nothing really to celebrate there.
Should provide some team motivation.Happy Valley Insider - Penn State set to open 2022 season unranked in Coaches Poll
Penn State is unranked in the USA Today Coaches Poll to start the 2022 season.pennstate.rivals.com
I am just saying what 9-3 could look like and if we would be satisfied, not saying it will. We absolutely could be 7-5 although I think we will be better than that. Big picture is we are barely top 25 and according to the coaches we are not.That is pretty rosy. Not approaching Kool-Aid drinking but pretty rosy. Right now, I have us at 7 and 5 with a ceiling of 9 and 3 if everything broke our way and that happens rarely. In year 9, I am unhappy with anything less than 10 and 2 but we look years away from that.
What do you mean not a single vote from his fellow coaches? PSU was basically #27 behind Iowa, which probably should be Top 25 pre-season. Somebody voted for him.Not a single vote from his fellow coaches. That is one telling statistic. I'll continue to pay attention to Penn State and will root for them if my schedule allows. The days of spending thousands of dollars on flights, rv rentals, tickets, gear, etc. are over.
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interesting questions - - and relevantWhat do you mean not a single vote from his fellow coaches? PSU was basically #27 behind Iowa, which probably should be Top 25 pre-season. Somebody voted for him.
As far as shelling out money, would you change your mind if Penn State had a sudden 1970s or 80s run of success? Or is it more of a matter of not liking the coach?
When was the last time we weren’t in the preseason polls?Those national people are not in touch with reality like all of us PSU folk are. They don't know how Franklin's HC prowess gives us a 14-point advantage, and just showing up in a PSU uniform adds another 7-10 points. They aren't intelligent enough to comprehend all of our nifty built-in advantages.
We should be ranked top-10 pre-season every year.
Why waste time answering that DA? Those that read the posts know better and also know he can't read....and you know that how?
I was very critical of him post-Illinios. That was a travesty of college football coaching. I also thought the loss to Iowa was 100% due to coaching and said so. UM and tOSU had powerful teams last year.
What hot seat would that be? His contract guarantees no hot seat for probably 6-7 years.This is a critical year for CJF. A season with more than 3 losses will be a disaster for him. I think people are willing to understand a loss to tOSU, UM and one other quality opponent (MSU, Auburn) but a crappy loss like last year's Illinois or the rest will put him on the hot seat with few defenders.
I stand corrected on the not one single vote. I'm not sure I would change my mind if Penn State had a run of success. Little by little, they have made the Penn State experience more and more expensive and less fun. First they took away the kegs. Then they took away the BBQ pits. Then you were not allowed to drink outside the stadium during the game. Then they took away the number of overnight RV spots, which limited supply and the prices for the existing spots sky-rocketed. I've been to recent games at Texas A&M, Arkansas and UH. Even UH's new stadium blows away Beaver Stadium for comfort and the fan experience.What do you mean not a single vote from his fellow coaches? PSU was basically #27 behind Iowa, which probably should be Top 25 pre-season. Somebody voted for him.
As far as shelling out money, would you change your mind if Penn State had a sudden 1970s or 80s run of success? Or is it more of a matter of not liking the coach?
what is surprising to me is that we are returning a "sixth-year senior" at QB. It's not like we are reloading at this critical spot. The only place where we are really weak is at LB, assuming good health.When was the last time we weren’t in the preseason polls?
How many times in the last fifty?
And we are often not in the top ten.
I’m hoping Sean is this year’s Kenny Pickett. Pickett was a “just ok” starter for 3 years before exploding as a super senior. Joe Burrow wasn’t well regarded until his Senior year either.what is surprising to me is that we are returning a "sixth-year senior" at QB. It's not like we are reloading at this critical spot. The only place where we are really weak is at LB, assuming good health.
Really shows a lack of respect for Sean Clifford, IMHO.
Your post caused me to look at last year's performance.last year we started at #21 and almost immediately jumped to the top 5 for beating Wisconsin and Auburn.
the sport is as silly as it ever was
Agreed.I’m hoping Sean is this year’s Kenny Pickett. Pickett was a “just ok” starter for 3 years before exploding as a super senior. Joe Burrow wasn’t well regarded until his Senior year either.
I read that Perdue's QB O'Connell is also a sixth year player. So both teams enter with very experienced QBs. It will be interesting to watch who has shown the most improvement.what is surprising to me is that we are returning a "sixth-year senior" at QB. It's not like we are reloading at this critical spot. The only place where we are really weak is at LB, assuming good health.
Really shows a lack of respect for Sean Clifford, IMHO.
Kid was second team all B1G last year. Will be a good test of our secondary...strength against strength. Their kid started for a year and a half. SC has started for three years.I read that Perdue's QB O'Connell is also a sixth year player. So both teams enter with very experienced QBs. It will be interesting to watch who has shown the most improvement.
The strategy needs to be to get him to quit.What hot seat would that be? His contract guarantees no hot seat for probably 6-7 years.
Declining fan approval is the first step in that direction.The strategy needs to be to get him to quit.
Declining fan approval is happening now, but the strategy needs to be proactive. If you wanted to play nasty I think this could be accomplished within a relatively short period of time. Consider everything that isn't explicitly called for in his contract.Declining fan approval is the first step in that direction.
Once he realizes that the momentum of disapproval is going to make his life in SC a living hell, he will start making his moves to get out. The way things are trending it is going to take a lot less than 10 years. Could happen in as little as 2. Strategy will take care of itself.Declining fan approval is happening now, but the strategy needs to be proactive. If you wanted to play nasty I think this could be accomplished within a relatively short period of time. Consider everything that isn't explicitly called for in his contract.
Once he realizes that the momentum of disapproval is going to make his life in SC a living hell, he will start making his moves to get out. The way things are trending it is going to take a lot less than 10 years. Could happen in as little as 2. Strategy will take care of itself.
That would be quite a negotiation for a contract that pays $80m no matter what. How much of a living hell is worth giving up how many $M’s?Once he realizes that the momentum of disapproval is going to make his life in SC a living hell, he will start making his moves to get out. The way things are trending it is going to take a lot less than 10 years. Could happen in as little as 2. Strategy will take care of itself
When his obvious mistakes are met with 100000 fans booing he will be highly motivated to make a change. Do his kids go to school or have friends that are fans? Does his wife socialize with PSU people? How long would he subject them to a hostile environment? LOTS of things can cause his quality of life to decline that are not written into any contract.Let
That would be quite a negotiation for a contract that pays $80m no matter what. How much of a living hell is worth giving up how many $M’s?
I just don’t see a scenario where he leaves on his own without a contract from someone else…..in which case his contract value will get higher. The leverage granted by Sandy is impressive.
First they took away the kegs. Then they took away the BBQ pits. Then you were not allowed to drink outside the stadium during the game. Then they took away the number of overnight RV spots, which limited supply and the prices for the existing spots sky-rocketed. I've been to recent games at Texas A&M, Arkansas and UH. Even UH's new stadium blows away Beaver Stadium for comfort and the fan experience.
Penn State has been subsidizing all their 544 other varsity sports on the back of football for decades. I guess it all just came to a head these past couple of years watching Penn State lose games they should be winning. Combine it with everything I listed above and I've just lost interest.