Penn State and Pitt have played over 90 times and the fans show a clear disdain for each other that few college rivals can match. In my opinion it would be great if they played every year.The two top schools in a state which is the most iconic in this nation when it comes to football tradition should play. It would be a great game for the first week in October every year but it's OK anytime as long as they play.
Penn State vs. Pitt for our season opener every year?
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I think each Pitt fan realizes that their program is mired in mediocrity and are secretly PSU fans because that way they can root for a team that has a chance of success. Can't wait until 2020 when the Pitt stain is off our schedule and our OOC game can help out strength of schedule instead of hinder it.
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As many have pointed out already, this is not a reliable data point. I talk about Pitt often, but just to get a laugh making fun of them. That by no means should be interpreted in them being relevant.
If Pitt thinks the series is beneficial to them, and we all know they do... they need to man up and do whatever it takes to make the game happen. If that means an unbalanced series, then so be it.
96 times. But according to Pitt logic most of those games don't count since they happened so long ago, much like where the games were played doesn't matter.
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I have been to numerous games Pitt/PSU games and other than the good natured ribbing I have never seen these fights in the stands or in the Parking lot. That goes for games in Oakland, Heinz field and Beaver Stadium.
I get that most PSU fans do not feel that Pitt is a rival. Yes we have fallen into the land of average football teams, but quite frankly so has Penn State. We were both at one time marquee programs. I just don't think the Alabama's, the FSU or whoever views either of our programs as such right now. That is not to say that we both turn things around. I admit, you guys are off to a great start recruiting with Franklin.
Oh I am quite sure that someone will come on and quote and blast me but for every bad fan there are just as many great fans for both programs. This is a game that should happen every year. At one time it was one of the best rivalries in all of football. I hope we both get back to national prominence and this game takes on a whole new look
I get that most PSU fans do not feel that Pitt is a rival. Yes we have fallen into the land of average football teams, but quite frankly so has Penn State. We were both at one time marquee programs. I just don't think the Alabama's, the FSU or whoever views either of our programs as such right now. That is not to say that we both turn things around. I admit, you guys are off to a great start recruiting with Franklin.
Oh I am quite sure that someone will come on and quote and blast me but for every bad fan there are just as many great fans for both programs. This is a game that should happen every year. At one time it was one of the best rivalries in all of football. I hope we both get back to national prominence and this game takes on a whole new look
This makes sense. I can see you getting treated well at Beaver stadium, it's what we do. Obviously you would be treated well in Pittsburgh. The piece you don't see is how PSU fans get treated in Pittsburgh, it's not good.
Fans showing disdain for each other should be the last criteria for making a rivalry (see Rutgers). If anything it should be the total opposite. Healthy dislike is expected but the best rivalries are born more out of respect.
Whether we have played Pitt over 90 times or 5 times, it's still been over 20 years since this game was played regularly. I grew up it Pittsburgh on the tail end of this game's hay day (which really only lasted 5-6 years out of 90+) and can't say I miss it one iota.
I am with you. Penn State is the only so called major power that does not have a rival. We had one but stopped playing them. Pitt and Penn State were a tradition and the fan bases hate each other. They easily could be a tradition again. I can't wait for the 2016 game in Pittsburgh. The nine conference games will make the strength of schedule argument moot.
The best rivalry in college football is Michigan and Ohio State and their fans hate each other. How about Florida State and Miami? The best rivalries are the ones that make your blood boil. Auburn and Alabama. The fans of these school have the disdain that make it a real rivalry. I totally disagree with your assessment of what makes a good rivalry.
You're missing the point as per usual.... The reason this once "nationally recognized" rivalry game lost its luster has to do with one thing, and one thing only - armPITT has not been considered an elite program on the national scene since the early 1980s. Foge Fazio squandered more elite talent than any coach in CFB history and turned armPITT into a laughingstock where it has remained ever since. Nobody cares about beating armPITT nor will you get much credit for doing so - it is a waste of a precious home@home series and nobody outside of a handful of delusional yinzer armPITT fans give a flying crap about the series. That's the reality. BTW, PSU does not need a rivalry game to win the MNC, least of all a wasted scheduling date against armPITT. They want to play us on the same terms we'd play a MAC foe, fine; otherwise, f 'em.
It is much easier to stay out of the fray and post this kind of stuff then explain your position. The guys that can't compete intellectually hide behind this kind of stuff. Are you afraid to put your views into text?
I already did, three times above. You continue to stir the pot for something you know the vast majority of Penn Staters could care less about.
Only------Nebraska, LSU, Texas A & M, Baylor, WVU, Missouri, Arkansas....and you could probably throw in Wisconsin for good measure.
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Tell that to Baylor. They sat at home last year because their OOC murderer's row of SMU, FCS Northeastern and Buffalo. Add that to a conference schedule that included Iowa St and Kansas and there were 5 games that were 100 or below in the Sagarin ratings. If Baylor has played even a middle P5 team they would have been playing in the CFB instead of OSU. In 2016 our OOC schedule is Pitt, Temple and Kent St. Our conference schedule includes Maryland, Purdue, Indiana and Rutgers, plus an Iowa team that is slowly wasting away. More than half our schedule is laughable. Are you really telling us that replacing PItt, even with a team on the level of Texas Tech, would not be a significant schedule enhancement? Even comparing Pitt to the stiffs that are on our schedule this year I would rate Temple and San Diego St as better teams. If our crossover games always included Nebraska and Wisky then the 9 game conference schedule consistently helps. In 2016 it hurts.
Save your time buddy. Your posts are ludicrous and full of innuendo and false accusations.Your tactics are from the second grade hand book with your displays of insults and totally unproven assertions. You lack the skills to come to reasonable conclusions because you lose your poise and can't control your emotions. Your a guy that could never be trusted to make a critical decision because you lack the patience and poise to do so.
NO, NO, NO. Having lived in Philly and NJ is this a Western Pa thing? It is over and has been for years. I would rather upgrade the OOC schedule with a SEC team.
There is a huge difference though. Those fans dislike each other, but they respect each other. Pitt is not on the level of the schools you list, so there can't be a mutual respect.
You're entitled to feel any way you want but your assessment of Those other rivalries and what has made them great is shortsight.
Despite growing up in Pittsburgh, I come from a family that regularly observed two big football games each year - OSU/Michigan and Army/ Navy as both parents are from Ohio and my dad a West Point grad. Is there dislike among the fan bases? Sure, but what makes those games great is a level of respect that rises above it. There is zero of that in PSU/ Pittand the only thing that separates our game with Pitt from that shitshow in Piscataway last year was that we happen to share the same state. History means nothing when we haven't played in 20 years and 95% of the series has been as exciting as PSU/Temple on the field
He knows exactly what he's doing. Sticking the paddle in the commode and stirring, because he knows he's agitating people, and will likely get responses.
Let's face it. The pitters want pitt to play Penn State for three reasons. First, they know that beating Penn State (which won't happen) would help their recruiting. Second, they know that beating Penn State (which won't happen) would gain them some much-needed national attention, which would help their recruiting. Third, beating Penn State (which won't happen) would give them an excuse to insult Penn Staters and mock the football program as though it has been cursed by sandusky. The last part, of course, would be their way of demonstrating a deep caring for sandusky's victims as well as an intense interest in preventing future abuse. You know. It's all about getting the narrative right.
I don't know if "mutual respect" is required......but certainly a history of relatively equal levels of prominence is required. Lehigh - Lafayette, Alabama - Auburn, Harvard - Princeton, Michigan - OSU can all be great rivalries.
Pitt - PSU (circa 21st century) is not......for the same reasons that OSU - Cincinnati, Florida State - UCF, Texas - Houston.....and PSU - Temple are not "rivals"
(BTW, PSU has to burn any of the old contracts that led to us playing road games vs Temple - even at 2-1 or 3-1 - and make sure they never revisit them......that was just STUPID. FWIW, that wasn't a Barbour or Joyner move, those were "Curley Era" deals - that, I think, were designed at least in part as a bit of an "FU" to Pitt).
The idea of playing Pitt Home and Home every year.....even without considering the incredible costs (including eliminating any chance to play ANY other legit OOC opponents) .....is just ludicrous.
If the PSU AD even gives this any legitimate consideration (FWIW - I don't think they will), it is a very bad sign (ie, looking to maximize wins in a "PR acceptable" manner, as opposed to enhancing the quality of competition).
You're a know-nothing tool who makes claims that effectively imply that Nebraska is still playing Oklahoma annually in their traditional rivalry game - ditto aTm and Texas. A complete moron tool who thinks polishing the knobs of his corrupt taskmasters is an indication of superior "critical decision-making skills"... In short, you're an arrogant-without-cause, hubris-filled, servile puss-bag that doesn't know his @ss from a hole in the ground and wouldn't know what "critical thinking" or "critical decision-making" was even if it walked up and smacked you in your sorry douche face.
If Pitt wants the game to happen because they see a benefit to their program, they should have to sacrifice to make it happen. Some sort of unbalanced series to make it work financially for PSU. That is what PSU did in the early 1900s. I say this because it is 100% true, but also because I know they have an inflated opinion of themselves and will never accept it. It's win-win.
As a guy who saw those PSU vs PITT battles first hand back in the 70s and 80s.
And as a visitor to your board with no bias either way, I'd love to see this game on my TV on any random fall Saturday night.
The old Eastern battles are special to me, it's what I grew up on.
For selfish reasons and my own enjoyment...I hope it happens!
And as a visitor to your board with no bias either way, I'd love to see this game on my TV on any random fall Saturday night.
The old Eastern battles are special to me, it's what I grew up on.
For selfish reasons and my own enjoyment...I hope it happens!
Well, your own reasons and personal enjoyment are way down the list, well below "opportunities for toenail picking."
Repeat after me, and then with me -- NFW -- NO Frieking Way!.....until someone wakes up and hears us.
If Pitt should play us for the next 45 years, the series will be 45-0 favor Penn State -- a major university in a Pro town without a home field -- are you kidding me? Never !!
If Pitt should play us for the next 45 years, the series will be 45-0 favor Penn State -- a major university in a Pro town without a home field -- are you kidding me? Never !!
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GT: If you're still lurking, please go read the post on the lair free board about Bizarre Quotes from Franklin and then come back and be critical about hatred and animosity on our boards. As a Pitt fan you should be embarrassed by your 5 fellow fans. Please post in that thread about civility and see how fast they turn on you and try to get you banned.
I'm sure you would, but, then again, you consider Planet Honda commercials to be intellectually stimulating. And if our coach though that this would be a great rivalry, it would be a done deal. But then where would than consign our annual tilt with the Sewer on the Raritan?
Pitt plays on Thursday nights, so I don't think they could support a long term deal.
How about we play every year at PSU until Pitt has a home field?
Hell no!!!
Don't lock any team in. Line up a different home and home opponent with a good team every two years and do it from different parts of the country to get the PSU brand everywhere for recruiting purposes.
Make it
You found 7 in over 100 teams and Wisconsin has Minnesota while 3 of the other 6 just recently lost their major rival through Conference ties. I won't even get into the back yard brawl because Penn St. vs Pitt was better. So you maybe have 3 that never had a rival.Not a high percentage.
I think somebody explained that the reasons for more games in Pittsburgh were overall travel logistics and press related. That was over 50 years ago also.
I am with you. I would think most national college football lovers that have a historical appreciation for the game would see this as a good thing while others with financial or other concerns will see no merit.
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