Wally, don't want to shock you but your opinion carries less weight here than many reports from the NFL.
Phil Steele has PSU finishing 2023 as #6
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Agreed.
to @Online Persona s post above, I can see WVa keeping 7 or 8 in the box on first down. If we gain four yard seeing it again on second down. I am hopeful we don't get into a first down run time and again. By that I mean I hope we don't get predictable. I see us throwing a lot of quick out passes on first down against WVa and DEL until DA gets his feet under him. A challenge those defenses will have is if they play 7 in the box and play our WRs tight to take away the short out, they will have minimal coverage over the top. They'll be susceptible to big plays like deep balls, slants and long runs. We saw this versus Utah in the Rose Bowl but that was when we had a 38 year old 11 year vet starting at QB.
The Defense should be much improved this year. In terms of complementary football, that should help the OLine.
If you look at off season gains in size and the weight room, the offensive line has gotten bigger and stronger. They also have more depth resulting in greater competition. This should also help. While I will agree that how much better they are remains to be seen, I am pretty confident that they will be better this year at an earlier stage of the season.
Agreed. I also think that they have something to play for. By that I mean that we've got two STUD running backs and these guys can be part of something big. We haven't had a single stud RB, let alone two, since Saquon's final year. If you can't get excited blocking for Singleton, you aren't going to get excited.
Teams are gong to have to respect Allar's arm strength regardless of his inexperience. We also have speed and athleticism at the WR position, regardless of their inexperience and inability to create separation in the past. Having two above average tight ends will also give Allar a security blanket of sorts.
We also "should", have a dominating Defense this year that should provide turnovers and field position.
Bottom line, it is time for the offensive coordinator and offensive line coach and WR coach to earn their money. The weapons are there, develop them.
Bottom line, we really don't know anything until the season begins.
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Most of our discussions have centered around PSU, UM, and OSU but I looked at PSU's schedule and you might have a tough one with Iowa - maybe. A lot of new, key faces with Iowa but I have a feeling their offense will still suck with son Brian in charge. Their defense will probably be the best - or close to it - again under Phil Parker who I've considered the best DC in the conference - and top 3 in the country - for a while now. I've always said if OSU could get Phil Parker as their DC, they'd win a few more NCs
BUT, the game I would be very nervous about is the game at Illinois. That one would make me squirm a little. I don't personally care for Bielema, but he sure has that program headed in the right direction. I read on one of the threads that they have the 4th best OL - behind PSU, UM and OSU - and has really upgraded their defense and offensive skilled position. This could be PSU's one trap game before OSU and UM
Does anyone know what the current point spreads are on those games?
BUT, the game I would be very nervous about is the game at Illinois. That one would make me squirm a little. I don't personally care for Bielema, but he sure has that program headed in the right direction. I read on one of the threads that they have the 4th best OL - behind PSU, UM and OSU - and has really upgraded their defense and offensive skilled position. This could be PSU's one trap game before OSU and UM
Does anyone know what the current point spreads are on those games?
This game will be a very good early season test for our team, however, we "should" have a very dominating defense early on in the season that should give us a chance to win against both Iowa and Illinois. This front seven should be very hard to run against, and the secondary should be as good or even better than last year. Field position and turnovers should help us in both of these games, especially at home against Iowa.
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it has been discussed quite a bit.
ILL will be our first away game and the first time since we lost in 9 overtime a couple of years ago.
- ILL came out with 8 and 9 offensive linemen and moved the ball on the ground. That surprised us but we still only gave up
- Our QB, Clifford, was hurt coming in and took a very serous cheap shot.
- We didn't have the two RBs we will have in 2023, our run game was weak
- We didn't have a second team QB. the one we used versus Iowa imploded and it seems our other one was in the dog house (Christian Veilleux). So CJF opted to play SC in a very conservative way.
- We scored ten in the first half and got shut out in the second half
- We were leading the entire game and gave up a FG to let ILL tie it
- We missed a wide open Sean Clifford on a halfback pass back to the QB that would have won it in OT
9/2 – 7:30 p.m. – West Virginia – 91 percent
9/9 – 12 p.m. – Delaware – 99 percent
9/16 – 12 p.m. – at Illinois – 75.5 percent
9/23 – 7:30 p.m. – Iowa – 83.9 percent
9/30 – TBD – at Northwestern – 87.1 percent
10/14 – TBD – UMass – 99 percent
10/21 – TBD – at Ohio State – 11.6 percent
10/28 – TBD – Indiana – 94.6 percent
11/4 – TBD – at Maryland – 76.3 percent
11/11 – 12 p.m. – Michigan – 46.9 percent
11/18 – TBD – Rutgers – 94.7 percent
11/24 – 7:30 p.m. – at Michigan State (Ford Field, Detroit) – 67.8 percent
Thanks. I'm surprised that Illinois is that high and the OSU game is that low. Looks like pretty much an even game against Michigan. MSU has turned into trash especially after Dantonio left
They whomever "they" are have placed way too much emphasis on home field advantage. No way 11.6% Ohio St but a coin flip for Michigan who is actually favored to win the conference. And Iowa will be tougher than Illinois, Maryland, and easily Mich St.
Michigan is not favored to win the conference. Here's the recent combined Vegas odds (July 3rd). It's close between OSU and Michigan but keep in mind, Michigan loses a lot on their defense and actually, it's PSU that's moving up from +700 to +600 from the last rating that came out. OSU is the +20 favorite out of Vegas
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Michigan is not favored to win the conference. Here's the recent combined Vegas odds (July 3rd). It's close between OSU and Michigan but keep in mind, Michigan loses a lot on their defense and actually, it's PSU that's moving up from +700 to +600 from the last rating that came out. OSU is the +20 favorite out of Vegas
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It's going to come down to the defenses between the 3 as UM is retooling and we all know about OSU's shit defense. Actually, PSU might have the advantage here with their solid D
I did find this online - somewhere - rating the offenses and it should be an explosive offensive year in the B1G. All 3 - PSU, UM and OSU are in the top 10 or so. I'm kind of looking forward to seeing what Iowa's offense looks like with all of their new additions although they still have Brian Ferentz as their OC
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I'm skeptical @ this time regarding the PSU offense based on three issues, inexperienced starting QB, new starting Center, and the WRs (who are the playmakers?). There is great potential and I certainly hope for a potent offense to develop as the season goes on. Illinois & Iowa will be the early season proving grounds.It's going to come down to the defenses between the 3 as UM is retooling and we all know about OSU's shit defense. Actually, PSU might have the advantage here with their solid D
I did find this online - somewhere - rating the offenses and it should be an explosive offensive year in the B1G. All 3 - PSU, UM and OSU are in the top 10 or so. I'm kind of looking forward to seeing what Iowa's offense looks like with all of their new additions although they still have Brian Ferentz as their OC
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Yeah, I'm definitely watching both of those games - Iowa and PSU. Those games should tell us a lot about PSU. Either one of those teams could win the West although a big question mark this year is Nebraska in the West and the question about Nebraska - did they finally make a decent HC hire ?
Yep, hopefully all the talk about the defense being elite is true to help us get through the first couple of difficult games.
I agree. Really, it is just somebody's opinion. Generally, I am OK with the rankings. I would rate our chances with tOSU just worse than UM due to home field. But I can't see Sparty being a tough game based on what they've been through the last 18 months.
We're going to see all kinds of predictions between now and the beginning of the season. The only one I pay attention to is all of the Vegas money. It's money that talks, not opinions
Honestly, and just from listening to the wind, I am not worried about Allar. He'll have some good and bad games but everything I've heard from every source is that the kid is the real deal.
I am a bit more worried about WR, Center, and DTs. We have good talent in all of these areas but don't have any real battle-tested players.
Regardless of all that, this is the deepest and most talented PSU team we've seen at PSU in a long time. I think this team can be better than 2016.
Seriously, if you follow Vegas, very slight favorite OSU and UM are holding steadfast and PSU is the one that has moved up over the last few weeks. Should be a heck of a season.
agreed but there is a long way to go. With the xfer portal and injuries, who knows where any team will be by the time the meaningful B1G games are played? its fun to talk about but way too many variables to take it seriously
Glad you've heard good things about Allar. It will be exciting to see a new starter @ QB and watch his growth. He will make mistakes, how he responds is key. And, him and Nourzard will have to click quickly, both being new starters.
Right. But nobody knows until he does it. And, of course, in college football, lots of college kids will get challenged for their first time.
I live in Ohio. I know lots of families who's kid played with and against Allar. And, I should add, he often played against private schools that had a lot more talent than his Bees had. What most of them said was that Allar was most dangerous when extending plays. He isn't all that mobile but he is elusive and knows how to move in the pocket or roll out. His arm strength is top notch and he can throw a rope while moving left or right. So he would often complete a long pass after being flushed from the pocket and making an accurate throw on the run. At 6-6 or whatever, that is pretty special.
This staff hasn't had a QB like him before. It will be interesting to watch and see how they grow together. But, as you said, he'll make mistakes.
I’m sorry, but can we go back to the idea that Iowa is the second best team in the conference?
I don’t feel as that got nearly the amount of ridicule that it deserved.
I don’t feel as that got nearly the amount of ridicule that it deserved.
Surely you're not questioning a team who scored 17.7 points/game in 2022, ranking 123rd out of 131 D-1 programs?
You obviously haven't been paying attention to troll-boy's posts - he routinely says absurd crap about PSU. Last year he predicted we would likely go 7-5 or worse.... and we would record this type of record for years to come if we didn't fire CJF.....
That is wildly absurd, but fairly average for this jackass troll.
I was more amused by the idea that Cade McNamara will elevate their offense.
Iowa fans have retired the crown of most delusional fan base in the Big Ten.
Fair enough. But that doesn’t explain the fact that Phil Steele also thinks highly of the Hawkeyes.
Iowa has become some kind of weird avatar for the specific subset of football fans.
Sorry to hijack but related question. I haven't bet on football since the tickets from local bar days. I found a hundred I'd stashed away and thought I might try to get good early odds on us for this year. I've never bet online so any suggestions for what site to use and good choices would be much appreciated
You're such a laughable tool it isn't even funny - yeah, Utah had a ton of success against our OL - is that why the PSU Offense averaged 8.5 yards per Offensive Play (169 Rushing Yards on 31 Rushes - 5.5 YPC and 279 Passing Yards on 22 Passing Attempts [16 Completions] - 12.7 per pass [17.5 per completion]). Yeah their defense had so much success - LMFAO!
Maybe I'm way too optimistic but I don't see the typical growing pains with Allar vs what we are used to with a typical PSU 1st year QB. He will have his challenges but I don't see an Illinois or an Iowa bottling him up. We have so many weapons on offense it is not like a defense can double one WR or focus on one playmaker and we are cooked. Plus Yurcich is creative, he will figure out how to attack the weak link of the D and leverage Drew's strengths.
If they don't go a combined 33-3, actually 34-3, before the playoff begins you'll see coaching changes. Not HC but many assistants. None of those 3 should lose another game. Not saying they won't but if they do that's unacceptable.
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Why am I not surprised that you are unwilling to hit youtube and analyze some film.
The film doesn't show anything that you're stating. This is just what you do. You say nonsense that isn't factual or supported with anything then think others need to prove it wrong. Your analysis is wrong...largely because you haven't done any and are just rambling bullshit
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