POLL: Should USWNT and USMNT both receive equal pay?
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Let's take it further to ensure the men can't be treated better than the women.
US Soccer should be split into 2 separate organizations. The women should get 100% of the revenue they generate. Time to end the patriarchy and abuse of women.
Don La-mon saying something I agree with makes me question everything I thought I knew.
Equal is bad.
Equality is good.
If salesperson 1 generates 10M in revenue and salesperson 2 generates 1M in revenue, should they be paid the same?
Equal opportunity is good. Forced equality of outcome is very bad, as it requires unearned adjustments based on some immutable characteristic...which is the definition of at least one -ism
Agreed. In sports, it is like saying every first baseman should be paid the same. Underperforming players can blame the fact that lower quality players around him make it more difficult for him to do his job and achieve the numbers a first basement can get playing for a higher quality team.
There is great irony in these arguments for sports.
We are told that men and women are identical and all differences are due to cultural conditioning.
Women are 51% of the population.
If men and women were athletically identical and had identical interest in sports, then women's soccer would necessarily generate a bit more revenue than men's.
Of course, the top women soccer players are somewhere near a good teenage boy and fewer women are interested in playing or watching sports.
I seriously want US Soccer to split into 2 and have the women get every dollar they generate so there can be ZERO gray on fairness.
I turned on BTN this afternoon and watched the women's hockey game in Minnesota Dukuth where the stands were empty. Women don't draw the revenue.
Both Women’s gymnastics and figure skating started later, but are far more popular now - because people like watching them more. Hence they get more money. That woman on the right was womansplaining.
It’s complicated. The women’s team has been wildly more successful than the men’s team - in terms of bringing home hardware - and is much more marketable over the past decade.
If follow the USMNT you remember losing to Costa Rico 4-0 or Trinidad & Tobago 2-1 as we failed to qualify for the 2018 World Cup.
The US Women have marketable starts like Alex Morgan while the men were struggling post Klinesman.
Revenues from FIFA are only part of the equation and whether the men would beat the women head-to-head is a moronic argument.
If follow the USMNT you remember losing to Costa Rico 4-0 or Trinidad & Tobago 2-1 as we failed to qualify for the 2018 World Cup.
The US Women have marketable starts like Alex Morgan while the men were struggling post Klinesman.
Revenues from FIFA are only part of the equation and whether the men would beat the women head-to-head is a moronic argument.
Then again, part of the marketing of stars like Alex Morgan is that she's good looking and good looking gals appeal to men because they're good looking. Different things appeal to different people and men are, in general, more into sports and beyond that, more into men's sports then women's sports, thus the men's sports generate more money. Meanwhile, you can point to other things that appeal more to women, in general (as Bill Burr did).
except the women's national team doesn't bring in the same revenue as the men's.
The women’s team has been wildly more successful because they’re the world’s tallest midget. In many countries women aren’t given the opportunity or resources to even play sports let alone play at a high level, so the competition level for the women’s team has sucked forever. That’s starting to change, so if the women’s team stops being wildly successful years from now, are they going to then take a pay cut?
This is not clear. Yes, we know that FIFA payouts are lower for the women’s teams but we do not know US Soccer’s revenue splits from Nike or Volkswagen or the other multimillion dollar sponsors. The fact that US Soccer agreed to the equal pay agreement suggests that the marketing value of the #1 global women’s team offsets FIFA’s payout for our mid-tier men’s team
...and oil rig workers, construction, road paving, ....basically any job where your outside, spend time away from home, and have a reasonable chance of dying.
Also remember that men and women are identical, but 90% of those jailed are men. That must mean there is gross sexism in the penal system that leads to this disparate outcome.
I think you're missing the point. Most of us die before our wives because we WANT to.
There no comparison between the 2 teams. I’m sure it has to be posted here but the boys 15 and under team beat the women’s national team five zip a couple years ago.
Why don’t we let Megan Rapinoe try out for the men’s team and see how she does
Why don’t we let Megan Rapinoe try out for the men’s team and see how she does
No one is arguing that the women are equally good, head-to-head.
US Soccer is a non-profit that gets money from 3 sources - FIFA, ticket sales, and corporate sponsorships. To corporate sponsors, brand association with 4x World Cup Women’s Champions is valuable- especially since 85% of household consumer decisions are made by women.
In a sports world there are few team players who are more obnoxious than the women's soccer team. I love to root against them, woke b*******.
Instead of kneeling for our anthem, I suggest they give their legs to a veteran who lost his for their right to be a*******.
Instead of kneeling for our anthem, I suggest they give their legs to a veteran who lost his for their right to be a*******.
Well, the further we get into the equality discussion, the close we get to combined teams. Forget women's and men's teams. Pick the best players regardless of man, woman, transgender, etc. and let 'em get it on.
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