Population trends in PA (link)
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I found it interesting that while many counties went from gaining population to losing population, there isn't a single county that turned things around to do the opposite.
Western PA is dying a slow death. Outside of Allegheny county not much opportunity in the way of jobs.
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anon_1eeb2b426hv3y
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Don’t forget the Chinese, Russians, politicians and ESPN.
And we might as well include pat chambers.
A little surprised that Monroe County (Stroudsburg, etc.) has apparently leveled off in growth. It added population between 1990 and 2010, mostly due I believe to relative proximity to the NYC/NJ Metro areas and jobs.
**note -- same general trend with Pike County, just North of Monroe, and also on the NJ border; significant growth from 1990 to 2010 (lesser numbers than Monroe) and declined somewhat according to estimates from 2010 to 2017
**note -- same general trend with Pike County, just North of Monroe, and also on the NJ border; significant growth from 1990 to 2010 (lesser numbers than Monroe) and declined somewhat according to estimates from 2010 to 2017
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Its interesting, since this comes from family members in the coal biz.
One of Trump's big selling points for Somerset County was bringing back coal.
For the most part its helped, although not as much as promised.
Now here's the kicker. From what I'm being told by people who would know (they do the hiring) for many of the positions
and companies. They can't find people to pass the drug tests, so many places are under and short staffed.
Now I don't know what drug they are "failing" on or even what they test them for but I'm guessing Weed and Opiates.
Just thought it was interesting.
But to your original point, outside of fossil fuels, there really aren't many decent paying jobs to be found in Western PA. especially in the Somerset, Bedford, Fayette areas.
This is part of globalism. Aside from the cities that have recovered with white collar work and technology, the communities outside of those cities have gotten killed as the manufacturing companies they built their communities on dry up and go away. Big businesses now need roads, airports and HS communications. If you are google, apple or whatever, you aren't going to relocate to Braddock, Scranton or Johnstown. The population isn't there nor is the infrastructure.
I am beginning to see more and more home office workers which is promising. A person can work out of their home for half of what they would pay someone in Philly or Austin and be just as productive.
The lack of political support for fracking didn't help either.
I am beginning to see more and more home office workers which is promising. A person can work out of their home for half of what they would pay someone in Philly or Austin and be just as productive.
The lack of political support for fracking didn't help either.
I wonder what sort of things could help pay for schools and infrastructure.
bwifan
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Nothing...doesn't make sense to build a HS rail or highway to St. Mary's. HS Internet is another story. Schools? if the dropout rate continues to hover ~ 40% and they still insist in teaching art and other useless classes...nothing.
What you say about Western PA is pretty much true of ALL of WV, except the sliver called the Eastern Panhandle near Hagerstown, Maryland.
Proctor and Gamble has built a GIANT new manufacturing facility here o/s Martinsburg, and the staffing problems are off the charts. And yes, it is opiates.
Hm, and yet the most successful schools teach "art and other useless classes" as well as maths and science of course.
(I obviously see what you are doing there) Every single top prep school in the north east does. But those are growing areas I guess.
I pretty much said that to get your goat.
Fact is, the rural communities need to be better and more efficient than the urban and suburban communities. So they need to quit wasting people's time. Technology and communications (not the tech type but the ability to talk and write) are now uber important. How to manage time, be a self starter, run your own business, franchise...these are the keys to the future beyond the STEM topics. Art is an entertainment it isn't a school subject IMHO. I learned zero in art that I wouldn't have learned on my own. Just my opinion...but today, money roles. There is no second place.
Am I missing something? From the linked article:
Overall, 19 counties gained population during both time periods, including all 15 in the southeast. Twenty-nine counties lost population during both time periods. These gains and losses resulted in southeastern Pennsylvania's share of the total state population increasing from 52.6 percent in 2000 to 55.3 percent in 2017.
An examination of net migration patterns revealed that during 2000-09, net migration contributed to population increases in 31 counties, mostly in northeastern and southeastern Pennsylvania. After the Great Recession, only 20 counties saw increases in net migration from 2010 to 2016, nine of them in the southeast. An analysis of population gains due to natural increase showed similar trends, with the bulk of increases occurring in the southeastern region.
In the map in the article (shown below), every county in blue gained population.
LMAO. Oh IDK.. The Lottery? Thats the line we always hear in MD. The Lottery will "Fix" everything. So far Balto. still has some of the worst schools around so I'm not exactly sure what that money is being "re-allocated" for.
I say legalize weed and tax that for for schools and infrastructure...of course that may be "re-allocated" as well.
Is everyone trying to move closer to Trenton?Am I missing something? From the linked article:
Overall, 19 counties gained population during both time periods, including all 15 in the southeast. Twenty-nine counties lost population during both time periods. These gains and losses resulted in southeastern Pennsylvania's share of the total state population increasing from 52.6 percent in 2000 to 55.3 percent in 2017.
An examination of net migration patterns revealed that during 2000-09, net migration contributed to population increases in 31 counties, mostly in northeastern and southeastern Pennsylvania. After the Great Recession, only 20 counties saw increases in net migration from 2010 to 2016, nine of them in the southeast. An analysis of population gains due to natural increase showed similar trends, with the bulk of increases occurring in the southeastern region.
In the map in the article (shown below), every county in blue gained population.
Am I missing something? From the linked article:
Overall, 19 counties gained population during both time periods, including all 15 in the southeast. Twenty-nine counties lost population during both time periods. These gains and losses resulted in southeastern Pennsylvania's share of the total state population increasing from 52.6 percent in 2000 to 55.3 percent in 2017.
An examination of net migration patterns revealed that during 2000-09, net migration contributed to population increases in 31 counties, mostly in northeastern and southeastern Pennsylvania. After the Great Recession, only 20 counties saw increases in net migration from 2010 to 2016, nine of them in the southeast. An analysis of population gains due to natural increase showed similar trends, with the bulk of increases occurring in the southeastern region.
In the map in the article (shown below), every county in blue gained population.
I think it means that *net migration* increased in those counties (even if other overriding factors led to overall population declines). Perhaps wasn't worded as well as it could have been.
Ah, now I think I see what I was missing. I believe your point is that no county went from losing population in the '00 decade to gaining population in the '10 decade.
You are correct that the rural communities need to be more efficient simply because they don't have the tax base to pool money from.
I do have to laugh though at your communications line. Have you heard todays youth try and communicate? Its laughable to the point of being sad.
But as a Graphic Designer and artist I disagree with your opinion of "art".
If we are talking about learning things on our own I would put Phys.ed/Gym class as being the biggest waste of time and money.
Am I missing something? From the linked article:
Overall, 19 counties gained population during both time periods, including all 15 in the southeast. Twenty-nine counties lost population during both time periods. These gains and losses resulted in southeastern Pennsylvania's share of the total state population increasing from 52.6 percent in 2000 to 55.3 percent in 2017.
An examination of net migration patterns revealed that during 2000-09, net migration contributed to population increases in 31 counties, mostly in northeastern and southeastern Pennsylvania. After the Great Recession, only 20 counties saw increases in net migration from 2010 to 2016, nine of them in the southeast. An analysis of population gains due to natural increase showed similar trends, with the bulk of increases occurring in the southeastern region.
In the map in the article (shown below), every county in blue gained population.
I believe he was referring to counties that would fall into the Light Blue category....loss in 2000-2010 + gain in 2010-2017.....and there isn't any.
you make a good point on the Graphic Design issue. The "art" of crafting how computers "talk" and data visualization is important and getting more important. This was Steve Jobs, for example, greatest talent.You are correct that the rural communities need to be more efficient simply because they don't have the tax base to pool money from.
I do have to laugh though at your communications line. Have you heard todays youth try and communicate? Its laughable to the point of being sad.
But as a Graphic Designer and artist I disagree with your opinion of "art".
If we are talking about learning things on our own I would put Phys.ed/Gym class as being the biggest waste of time and money.
I know quite a few classmates of mine in SWPA that have succumb to opiates and drugs. Cant even pass a test to work general construction labor. So many old farms and hills down there that there are quite a few places where you cant get cable/high speed internet yet either, everything is satellite.
You are correct that the rural communities need to be more efficient simply because they don't have the tax base to pool money from.
I do have to laugh though at your communications line. Have you heard todays youth try and communicate? Its laughable to the point of being sad.
But as a Graphic Designer and artist I disagree with your opinion of "art".
If we are talking about learning things on our own I would put Phys.ed/Gym class as being the biggest waste of time and money.
He was saying the art thing to annoy me (playfully I might add), because I am also a designer, which Oblvi knows.
And I was also trying to annoy him by suggesting taxes are the answer.
The opioid epidemic is not isolated to WPA. We have a huge issue here in Berks, yet we've experienced job and population growth.
Simple--money is fungible. So the lotto money gets used to pay the basic school stuff that used to be in the general budget. And then the politicos spend the money they used to spend on schools on what they really want to spend it on--what ever that may be, but likely not anything useful.
According to the color-coded map, Centre County gained population. How much of that growth can be attributed to lawyers and “victims”?
But remember that was before the transfer portal was put in place
Oblivsx. Life education is not just focused on earning a living. It is a plus fir society to expose children to the arts, PE, sports, music and other things that will prepare them for a happy well rounded life. I know that you ono this.
The reason that few pass drug tests in many areas is because all the good workers have moved away after decades of job losses. Kids go off to college to never return. If they stay in state they go to Pittsburgh or SE Pa. Most leave the state. Much of the middle class has been gutted.
Harrisburg is a huge part of the problem. It and Philly area run the state and get most of the benefits. The entire state legislator and much of the governor's staff should take a bus trip to the Mon Valley, the Ohio River and Shenango valleys and see just how bad things are. They should spend at least a month in W Pa.
Harrisburg is a huge part of the problem. It and Philly area run the state and get most of the benefits. The entire state legislator and much of the governor's staff should take a bus trip to the Mon Valley, the Ohio River and Shenango valleys and see just how bad things are. They should spend at least a month in W Pa.
we can agree to disagree. Why not also have a class on watching TV, wine tasting, coke/pepsi, Veronica & Betty, Texas Hold'em, Fortnight, etc? I don't need a class on how to entertain myself nor does anyone else. Entertainment is entertainment. You do it in your spare time.
Winston Churchill once said when asked about cutting arts during the war, and he replied "Then what would we be fighting for?"
Mary didn't say there should be Fortnight classes or any of the examples you gave. Which is why I sort of think you are being facetious here.
I don’t understand what you want the politicians to do. No amount of tax breaks will resurrect J&L steel. Infinite amounts of education and rehab will not keep many away from drugs. The factors that created our local problems stem from global/macro economic trends. Rural area are transforming for the worse all over the country.
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Philly practically built Comcast's HQ for free. They also get huge subsidies for their mass transit....Rendel stole $250 mil in federal fuel taxes for Philly mass transit.
Meanwhile there should have been a racesino built in Lawrence Co 15 years ago. Developer wanted no grants, no tax incentives, already owned the land, was going to build an outlet mall, motel, indoor water park and more. He paid $50 mil for a racing license but the state denied him a gambling license...never guess why. Because his grandfather 'may have' loaned a Youngstown mob boss $60 grand 40 years prior! No proof just a big maybe.
Meanwhile a group was given a license for a casino in Philly called Foxwood...they owned no land and had no financing. Seven years later they had to pull the license because the group had still squat. Also, they gave a license to a guy in the Poconos and later it came out he was a mob guy. So what did they do? Forced him to sell it.....TO HIS DAUGHTER! And that was just fine for the state.
W Pa should break away along with W NY and form a new state.
Well, he also put ketchup on his scrambled eggs. Arts? That is entertainment. I don't need a class on how to entertain myself. In fact, I am probably better at it than I need to be.
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